HBO remakes Westworld into tv series...Abrams / Nolan
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The HBO is fine, but I'm a bit concerned about what you think the "Max" is.
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I'm kind of wondering what the point of a 4th season is with this show. I felt that Season 3 was tying up a lot of loose ends that seemed pretty definite. It felt like the final season of a series that had already peaked.
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I don't really have a problem with this series going off the rails or putting on airs because it's times more interesting and artistic than a lot of the other popular stuff on the air. I admit I don't remember everything that happened in season three, but much of what I do was fascinating even if the storytelling wasn't always satisfying.
I keep seeing comments that the show should have stayed in the park or ended after season one or two, and that may have been its peak, but that would also mean we'd have no more show or the premise probably would have been played out by this point. When something is good it deserves to be pushed.
The show does have complexity issues, but it seems like people actively root against it.
I keep seeing comments that the show should have stayed in the park or ended after season one or two, and that may have been its peak, but that would also mean we'd have no more show or the premise probably would have been played out by this point. When something is good it deserves to be pushed.
The show does have complexity issues, but it seems like people actively root against it.
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I don’t think people are “actively rooting against it” as much as just disappointed that the story wasn’t as strong. I want Westworld to succeed, to push itself to new heights. But I didn’t see that in season 3. What I saw was an attempt to move outside the confines of the park, which also meant leaving behind the structure that that lended to the narrative. If they’d had a better script they could have made it work by making that a strength, but they didn’t and couldn't.
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As someone who didn't finish Season 3, the main problem we had was that mid-season 2 the story started going off the rails. At best it was very messy. By the beginning of season 3 it was becoming hopelessly convoluted and the charm had faded significantly for us. I know the showrunners consider themselves auteurs and it was supposed to be confusing. However, it just didn't balance confusing with enough reward to make it worth it. If people wow over season 4, maybe it'll get a re-watch but there are plenty of better shows to watch in the meantime.
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Yeah, this. I'm not exactly rooting against it, but I do admit to being disappointed with season 2 and 3. There were only a handful of good episodes in season 2, and the one that stands out to me is the one with the Native American telling his story, also because at that point, it was a tonal shift and a self-contained story that was also simpler, and to me it showed that they didn't need to be complex. All they needed was to tell a good story. But everything needed to be obfuscated. And season 3 was a season-long disappointment. I felt their present-day story or whatever it is, wasn't nearly as interesting as it should have been. It feels like a series that has gotten worse as it's went along. Plus, I find the very concept of 'hosts' not being able to die off robs the show of some narrative tension. Half the cast are the hosts, and if you know they can't die, then there's no tension of characters being killed off if you know they can simply re-appear ad-infinitum.hepcat wrote: ↑Tue May 10, 2022 9:27 pm I don’t think people are “actively rooting against it” as much as just disappointed that the story wasn’t as strong. I want Westworld to succeed, to push itself to new heights. But I didn’t see that in season 3. What I saw was an attempt to move outside the confines of the park, which also meant leaving behind the structure that that lended to the narrative. If they’d had a better script they could have made it work by making that a strength, but they didn’t and couldn't.
And Meave had one of the best storylines in the entire show. And I was frustrated when they seemingly dropped it. Her character from then on was meandering.
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You know what would take this show to the next level? Robot Yul Brenner.
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If you just want him to stand there and not do much of anything, you could get Robot Mark Wahlberg...which is basically just Mark Wahlberg.
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Watched the first episode of season 4 last night. My problem is that it's been so long I didn't really remember how things wrapped up before. It starts off promising enough, but too early to give it a thumbs up or down.
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Me at first: I guess I’ll give it a try.
Me after 10 straight minutes of evil Ed Harris: Well played, Westworld. You win for now.
P.S. Aaron Paul has spent the last 20 years looking like he was 18. Now he looks like he just turned 30. Lucky bastard.
Me after 10 straight minutes of evil Ed Harris: Well played, Westworld. You win for now.
P.S. Aaron Paul has spent the last 20 years looking like he was 18. Now he looks like he just turned 30. Lucky bastard.
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So, a real case of 18 going on 30?
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I know there’s a painting of Aaron Paul out there that looks 50.
Ed Harris though? He’s looked 40 since he was 9. And I don’t think he would have it any other way.
Ed Harris though? He’s looked 40 since he was 9. And I don’t think he would have it any other way.
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I'm helping!
I started the episode, but was too tired to finish. I've found that shows like Westworld really take a lot of focus and I need to start them earlier in the night.
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I'm enjoying this season so far. The show is still beautifully expansive and cinematic, and I'm happy to get to explore the outside world's clean, green, menacing dystopia. I presume there was an intentional mini-reboot and plot threads may have been simplified. (But not too much.) But some aspects of the story feel a little silly at times, and I'm worried things will turn goofy. I feel the show's at its best when it's being ambitious (even if season three was chaos, I found its elements compelling); this feels more like an appeasement. The recycling of so many characters and actors can be exhausting (even though that's part of the show's shtick), even for those of us who watched recaps.
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I’m enjoying this season far more than the last season. Season 3 felt, for the most part, like an uninspired short story by a high school student recently off a Gibson kick who was obsessed with trying to be politically edgy. This season is more straightforward, while still holding a few cards close to its vest. It’s narratively more cohesive (so far). And it’s remembered that the denizens of this world (and the Sublime) are the important part of the story, not the tech. It is a bit “Matrix-y” at times, but not overly so.
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Season 4, Episode 4:
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I didn’t think it was that convoluted.
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Yeah, I understand most of the plot points and realize it's only half over. It just feels less and less grounded as it progresses to me, like the show has almost shifted sub-genres. Perhaps my problem is more with the pacing. Goalposts was the wrong term; I see where it's heading (and it seems kind of trite), but so many of the characters' goals are cloaked or shifting. Which I guess is what I want out of a premium drama, but it can still feels frenetic and disorganized to me.
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I think the characters have grown and evolved over the course of 3 seasons. A show full of characters who are static is the death of a good story.
The previous season I complained about the focus of the story shifting from the smaller world of the island to the rest of the world. I felt at the time that the story was being pulled in too many directions. This season seems to be building on the last, while maintaining a tighter narrative. We still have half a season to go though. Hopefully it won't go off the rails.
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That's a thoughtful analysis. I'm just saying:
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But that's kind of the whole point of a show that's built entirely around the concept of robots designed to look like people.
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I enjoyed this episode a lot. I still don't care for the scope and relative discohesion of the plot, but it was nice to spend another episode with a smaller set of characters now that most of their paths and identities have solidified. I don't think eight episode isn't enough for this story, but perhaps I'm confusing abbreviation with efficiency. I like that the episode spent so much time outside, it's an exceptionally cinematic show. Two nice covers in this one.
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I mostly agree with you. Although I don't think the show suffers from a lack of cohesiveness. If anything, they've scaled the story down from the last season into a much more digestible one. We know what the stakes are this time around. They're not nearly as blurred as last season.
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I think Dark Winds stole Westworld's theme music
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So in regards to your last question…hepcat wrote: ↑Tue Jul 26, 2022 1:42 pm I mostly agree with you. Although I don't think the show suffers from a lack of cohesiveness. If anything, they've scaled the story down from the last season into a much more digestible one. We know what the stakes are this time around. They're not nearly as blurred as last season.
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I am in awe of Jeffrey Wright’s ability to embody world weariness and tragic resignation in every word, bodily movement and the way he glances at people while not actually looking at them. Just watch him. You’ll see what I mean.
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Stubbs is a perfect counterpoint to his character. I'd watch a spinoff with those two!
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Stubbs is one of those ubiquitous Hemsworth kids.
But yeah, I do like their chemistry. Very funny.
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Finally caught up with the final two episodes of the season. I enjoyed this season... it was definitely a lot more narratively focused. But I still think it suffered the at this point multitudes of character evolutions. I found it hard to remember all the details with a week between each episode, never mind previous seasons.
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Cancelled by HBO. I lost interest the past few seasons but probably would watch another season.
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I actually enjoyed all the seasons overall. This last season in particular was good, though I can appreciate it probably wasn't "revolutionary" enough in terms of drawing people in and I'd imagine production costs are off the charts.
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I'm not surprised. To be honest, I would have been happy with it ending after two seasons. I didn't expect it to get a 3rd, let alone a 4th season. It's a series that has gotten less and less appealing.
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I definitely would have watched a final season (I thought this last season rebounded nicely), but I'm not surprised it was cancelled. It looks like it's probably very expensive to produce and I think the viewership was way down for Season 4.
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I started the latest season but haven't returned. Wonder if I should bother. Wasn't really interested in this or last season.
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The last season is a nice send off, if you ask me. It pretty much closes the story in a neat enough fashion.
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