<sigh> Watch who is trying to tie me to Scoop. I never make it to the end game anymore, and sure I will not this time either.Zarathud wrote:Wow. A clusterfuck already.
Tell me again why we're not voting for Scoop then RMC? Because this is bizarre.
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<sigh> Watch who is trying to tie me to Scoop. I never make it to the end game anymore, and sure I will not this time either.Zarathud wrote:Wow. A clusterfuck already.
Tell me again why we're not voting for Scoop then RMC? Because this is bizarre.
You did throw yourself on Scoop while he's a burning dumpster fire -- after he came out of the blue with "well, I lied again."RMC wrote:<sigh> Watch who is trying to tie me to Scoop. I never make it to the end game anymore, and sure I will not this time either.
I did, and I still don't think he is a wolf. <shrug>Zarathud wrote:You did throw yourself on Scoop while he's a burning dumpster fire -- after he came out of the blue with "well, I lied again."RMC wrote:<sigh> Watch who is trying to tie me to Scoop. I never make it to the end game anymore, and sure I will not this time either.
Since when do you provide a reason or analysis for your vote?Moliere wrote:Exactly. He's trying too hard to utilize what happened in a previous game.Unagi wrote:Um.
Scoop 'came out' with his first post , 2nd post, and then his 3rd post
THIS makes you look not like a fake Villager - but a fake. IMOScoop20906 wrote:But you sure waited long enough to announce.
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knock it off. that's what I said.Scoop20906 wrote:Since when do you provide a reason or analysis for your vote?Moliere wrote:Exactly. He's trying too hard to utilize what happened in a previous game.Unagi wrote:Um.
Scoop 'came out' with his first post , 2nd post, and then his 3rd post
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So, the wolves DID (facto) get stopped by the protector last night.bb2112 wrote:Ok, setting aside the fact that Scoop is being Scoop for a moment: Would a wolf (even a Scoop wolf) expose himself on day one with a claim that could be easily countered since nobody has died yet? I get that Scoop is unpredictable and a little on the crazy side, but does that make a lot of sense? There was no real heat on him (or anyone) yet.
This IS scoop.bb2112 wrote:Ok, setting aside the fact that Scoop is being Scoop for a moment: Would a wolf (even a Scoop wolf) expose himself on day one with a claim that could be easily countered since nobody has died yet?
It was a good point.Unagi wrote:knock it off. that's what I said.Scoop20906 wrote:Since when do you provide a reason or analysis for your vote?Moliere wrote:Exactly. He's trying too hard to utilize what happened in a previous game.Unagi wrote:Um.
Scoop 'came out' with his first post , 2nd post, and then his 3rd post
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Now that makes some sense, I think.Unagi wrote:SO, since El Guapo isn't a wolf or villager - that makes Scoop either a) or b).
I'm about ready to lynch him, BUT WAIT - let's just scan him (Seer) - and move on. Scoop can be cleared or condemned - and make the Wolves deal with a Villager Wolf, for now.
How are you still alive?Scoop20906 wrote:I'd rather be killed than scanned frankly. But I'm just a miss so guess what... We won't hit a special.
Because they may have protected the Seer and that player will probably be targeted for tonight's kill but I went over all that multiple times last game.El Guapo wrote:So the protector definitely succeeded, right? I'm not missing any other way for no one to have died?
And since the protector can't protect the same person twice, there's no reason for the wolves to kill anyone other than whomever they targeted last night, right? Unless a special gets outed or something?
Seems like the protector should out themselves if they protected themselves, given the likely death and spoofing potential. Not sure why the protector should out themselves if they protected someone else.
Well, I have to figure that El Guapo and Moliere had much higher chances of being parasites because if either login got chosen he would want the other on the same team to keep it simpler between the personalities. Therefore either make great votes.Unagi wrote:Wait - a - minute.Moliere wrote:Exactly. He's trying too hard to utilize what happened in a previous game.Unagi wrote:Um.
Scoop 'came out' with his first post , 2nd post, and then his 3rd post
You are actually making a vote that is based on something for real here? Who are you, and what have you done with Moliere?
Or not.Remus West wrote:Well, I have to figure that El Guapo and Moliere had much higher chances of being parasites because if either login got chosen he would want the other on the same team to keep it simpler between the personalities. Therefore either make great votes.Unagi wrote:Wait - a - minute.Moliere wrote:Exactly. He's trying too hard to utilize what happened in a previous game.Unagi wrote:Um.
Scoop 'came out' with his first post , 2nd post, and then his 3rd post
You are actually making a vote that is based on something for real here? Who are you, and what have you done with Moliere?
How would you like us to obtain the results of that scan?Unagi wrote:So, the wolves DID (facto) get stopped by the protector last night.bb2112 wrote:Ok, setting aside the fact that Scoop is being Scoop for a moment: Would a wolf (even a Scoop wolf) expose himself on day one with a claim that could be easily countered since nobody has died yet? I get that Scoop is unpredictable and a little on the crazy side, but does that make a lot of sense? There was no real heat on him (or anyone) yet.
Either:
a) wolf scoop came out first thing and claimed protector to get the protector out.
b) villager scoop came out in an attempt to fuck with everyone but hope that it ends up helping his side
c) protector scoop came out and declared he again was the day-1-protector
Since then - El Guapo has countered that claim. So, Scoop is most certainly either a, b, or c But El Guapo is most certainly .... Not a wolf willing to dive into all this, and certainly not a Villager willing to fuck with everyone even more...
SO, since El Guapo isn't a wolf or villager - that makes Scoop either a) or b).
I'm about ready to lynch him, BUT WAIT - let's just scan him (Seer) - and move on. Scoop can be cleared or condemned - and make the Wolves deal with a Villager Wolf, for now.
So how is that a good plan for the village?Unagi wrote:I think the word would be: eventually, if at all.
That's what I'm saying.Vorret wrote:I'm not sure Scoop is a wolf... I guess he could be but why overexpose on day one, makes no sense to me.
Vorret wrote:I'm not sure Scoop is a wolf... I guess he could be but why overexpose on day one, makes no sense to me.
too early to tellbb2112 wrote:NC, you are good at reading Unagi. What do you think of his play so far?
No, a wolf Scoop definitely wouldn't say that. The only people who know for certain who was targeted last night are the wolves and the protector. Since I know that I'm the protector, if Scoop specifically claimed that he protected me, then I would know essentially for certain that he was a wolf. In that scenario he could succeed in getting the village to lynch me today, but even if he did he would be the next lynch tomorrow.Vorret wrote:If Scoop was a wolf the only thing that would have made sense is to come out and say :
I'm the protector and I protected El Guapo last night.
Just alluring at the role is odd though since it doesn't help in any way.
Actually he could last 3 days with that claim.El Guapo wrote:No, a wolf Scoop definitely wouldn't say that. The only people who know for certain who was targeted last night are the wolves and the protector. Since I know that I'm the protector, if Scoop specifically claimed that he protected me, then I would know essentially for certain that he was a wolf. In that scenario he could succeed in getting the village to lynch me today, but even if he did he would be the next lynch tomorrow.Vorret wrote:If Scoop was a wolf the only thing that would have made sense is to come out and say :
I'm the protector and I protected El Guapo last night.
Just alluring at the role is odd though since it doesn't help in any way.
I'm on the fence. On the one hand my gut (though that's not terribly reliable in these games) finds the "Scoop as villager trying to draw fire" a little more plausible. BUT on the other hand for a day 1 lynch Scoop is high reward low risk (since he's either a wolf or a regular villager).
He could last three days with his "I'm a protector" claim without saying who he protected. He would only last one day if he said that he had protected me, because then either he or me would have to be a wolf (once I contested his protector claim).Vorret wrote:Actually he could last 3 days with that claim.El Guapo wrote:No, a wolf Scoop definitely wouldn't say that. The only people who know for certain who was targeted last night are the wolves and the protector. Since I know that I'm the protector, if Scoop specifically claimed that he protected me, then I would know essentially for certain that he was a wolf. In that scenario he could succeed in getting the village to lynch me today, but even if he did he would be the next lynch tomorrow.Vorret wrote:If Scoop was a wolf the only thing that would have made sense is to come out and say :
I'm the protector and I protected El Guapo last night.
Just alluring at the role is odd though since it doesn't help in any way.
I'm on the fence. On the one hand my gut (though that's not terribly reliable in these games) finds the "Scoop as villager trying to draw fire" a little more plausible. BUT on the other hand for a day 1 lynch Scoop is high reward low risk (since he's either a wolf or a regular villager).
You die tonight, tomorrow he doesn't die at night (he protects himself) we don't lynch him on D2, if he doesn't die on N3 then yeah, now he gets lynched.
It's not a bad gamble and it kills our protector right off the bat.
good point, carry onEl Guapo wrote:He could last three days with his "I'm a protector" claim without saying who he protected. He would only last one day if he said that he had protected me, because then either he or me would have to be a wolf (once I contested his protector claim).Vorret wrote:Actually he could last 3 days with that claim.El Guapo wrote:No, a wolf Scoop definitely wouldn't say that. The only people who know for certain who was targeted last night are the wolves and the protector. Since I know that I'm the protector, if Scoop specifically claimed that he protected me, then I would know essentially for certain that he was a wolf. In that scenario he could succeed in getting the village to lynch me today, but even if he did he would be the next lynch tomorrow.Vorret wrote:If Scoop was a wolf the only thing that would have made sense is to come out and say :
I'm the protector and I protected El Guapo last night.
Just alluring at the role is odd though since it doesn't help in any way.
I'm on the fence. On the one hand my gut (though that's not terribly reliable in these games) finds the "Scoop as villager trying to draw fire" a little more plausible. BUT on the other hand for a day 1 lynch Scoop is high reward low risk (since he's either a wolf or a regular villager).
You die tonight, tomorrow he doesn't die at night (he protects himself) we don't lynch him on D2, if he doesn't die on N3 then yeah, now he gets lynched.
It's not a bad gamble and it kills our protector right off the bat.