(Almost) Simple WW Game - Game Over

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Thu May 07, 2009 5:05 pm

semaj

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Thu May 07, 2009 5:31 pm

Tuesday Vote Tally

Unagi acc Semaj (1)
Grund acc Semaj (2)
Newcastle acc Grund (1)
Semaj acc Grund (2)
Lassr acc Semaj (3)

Votes needed = 4

Against Semaj (3): Unagi, Grund, Lassr
Against Grund (2): Newcastle, Semaj

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Thu May 07, 2009 5:41 pm

stessier wrote:Tuesday Vote Tally

Unagi acc Semaj (1)

Grund acc Semaj (2)

Newcastle acc Grund (1)

Semaj acc Grund (2)

Lassr acc Semaj (3)

Votes needed = 4

Against Semaj (3): Unagi, Grund, Lassr
Against Grund (2): Newcastle, Semaj

I always like to hear who hasn't voted... helps me keep track of who's even playing the game...

We're missing Chaos and Bubbles.

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Thu May 07, 2009 6:00 pm

Tuesday Vote Tally

* Unagi acc Semaj (1)
* Grund acc Semaj (2)
* Newcastle acc Grund (1)
* Semaj acc Grund (2)
* Lassr acc Semaj (3)

Votes needed = 4

Against Semaj (3): Unagi, Grund, Lassr
Against Grund (2): Newcastle, Semaj

I'm here.

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Thu May 07, 2009 6:07 pm

Town Residents
1. Newcastle
2. Unagi
3. Chaosraven
5. Grundbegriff
6. Lassr
7. Mr Bubbles
9. Semaj

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Thu May 07, 2009 6:11 pm

Grundbegriff wrote:
Grundbegriff --- clears Scoop20906 of She-Wolfdom
Scoop20906 --- clears Lassr of She-Wolfdom
(Semaj --- clears Lassr of She-Wolfdom)
Lassr --- clears Mr Bubbles of She-Wolfdom
(Unagi --- clears Mr Bubbles of She-Wolfdom)
Mr Bubbles --- clears Remus West of She-Wolfdom

Chaosraven --- clears Newcastle of She-Wolfdom
Newcastle --- clears Remus West of She-Wolfdom

Theohall --- clears Remus West of She-Wolfdom

Grundbegriff wrote:The folks implicated via a lack of clearance are:
Chaosraven, Grundbegriff, Semaj, theohall, Unagi

The folks cleared only by someone not cleared are:
Newcastle, Scoop20906

So, who can we eliminate to gain the most information for tomorrow?

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Thu May 07, 2009 6:19 pm

Grundbegriff --- clears Scoop20906 of She-Wolfdom

Chain reaction (Scoop's death proves One Thing. He's neither He/SheWolf)
And because of that, his death is ominous.

Scoop20906 --- clears Lassr of She-Wolfdom
(Semaj --- clears Lassr of She-Wolfdom)
These two statements PROVE Lassr to be Not SheWolf

Lassr --- clears Mr Bubbles of She-Wolfdom
(Unagi --- clears Mr Bubbles of She-Wolfdom)
These two statements PROVE Mr Bubbles to be Not SheWolf

Newcastle --- clears Remus West of She-Wolfdom
Theohall --- clears Remus West of She-Wolfdom
Mr Bubbles --- clears Remus West of She-Wolfdom
These three don't help us.

Chaosraven --- clears Newcastle of She-Wolfdom

By killing Grund or Chaosraven, the SheWolf would have Proven Scoop or Newcastle as NotSheWolf.
By killing Scoop, it leaves Grund as "useless information"

So, who can we eliminate to gain the most information for tomorrow?

Because now there's no reason to lynch Grund to prove Scoop ain't SheWolf.

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Thu May 07, 2009 6:23 pm

Town Residents

2. Unagi
3. Chaosraven
5. Grundbegriff
9. Semaj

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6. Lassr
7. Mr Bubbles

1. Newcastle

From my POV - the SheWolf is either Unagi, Grund, or Semaj.

We'll be at 6 tonight, and 5 tomorrow if She doesn't find He.

With the ludicrous amount of code crap many of us have tried in the past, I'm guessing that a VOTE could have been used to signal.
So I'm interested in seeing the voting and timing of those three yesterday.

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Thu May 07, 2009 6:32 pm

* Unagi acc Semaj (1)
* Grund acc Semaj (2)
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* Newcastle acc Grund (1) ***
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* Semaj acc Grund (2)
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This is todays and bugs me.

Semaj · Post by **Semaj** » Thu May 07, 2009 6:43 pm

Unagi wrote:
Semaj wrote:Normally I'd think something off with Unagi's aggression, but in recent games (Last half a year at least) he's become way more aggressive.
Frankly, I'm always accused of being aggressive... and chatty, and too quiet, and dumb, and idiotic, and mistaken.

But I would like to point out that you are totally full of it, as you'd be hard pressed to even produce a game I was in - in the last 6 months.

Ok when someone says half a year at least. Does it mean, at most half a year (6 months) or more like well over 6 months worth of time.

I guess the more accurate phrase should have been: "A lot of the games I remember watching you in."

Would that be acceptable?

Would you prefer I had said: "OK Unagi is never aggressive, he's always a pacifist who refuses to do anything, clearly this is not normal Unagi!"

I mean it's a complete pile of crap, but if your nitpicking, I think it's my turn to nitpick back and show you how absurd this is.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Thu May 07, 2009 7:57 pm

You should feel free to describe my current play any way you want. (aggressive, not, more, or less)

You should also feel free to descibe my "recent" play any way you want.

Again, you statement sounded like a 'fake' opinion to me.

Semaj Brain's Asks: "What should I say about Unagi?"
Semaj Brain's Answers: "Say he's being more aggressive than he has been recently".

Personally, I wouldn't have thought anyone here would describe my 'recent' play - you did.

Likewise - I wouldn't describe Newcastle's "recent" play. Would you?

I very well might describe his "normal" play, but if I came out and said "Newcastle's recent play has been just like this". I wouldn't be surprised if Newcastle came out and said - "What 'recent' play" ?

When you ask:

I guess the more accurate phrase should have been: "A lot of the games I remember watching you in."
Would that be acceptable?

I guess my asnswer would be: Yeah, that would have been better.

When you ask:

Would you prefer I had said: "OK Unagi is never aggressive, he's always a pacifist who refuses to do anything, clearly this is not normal Unagi!"

I really have to wonder why you are wondering what choice of words I would have preferred?

Why does it matter what I find 'acceptable' , you seem to be forgetting that I could be a wolf and just totally full of shit - you seem to honestly want to keep me appeased or something.

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Thu May 07, 2009 10:10 pm

withdraw semaj

I'll back him off the brink and see what Chaos has to say.

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Fri May 08, 2009 5:57 am

Tuesday Vote Tally

Unagi acc Semaj (1)
Grund acc Semaj (2)
Newcastle acc Grund (1)
Semaj acc Grund (2)
Lassr acc Semaj (3)
Lassr wd Semaj (2)

Votes needed = 4

Against Semaj (2): Unagi, Grund
Against Grund (2): Newcastle, Semaj

No vote: Bubbles, Chaos, Lassr

Grundbegriff · Post by **Grundbegriff** » Fri May 08, 2009 8:39 am

stessier wrote:
Against Semaj (2): Unagi, Grund
Against Grund (2): Newcastle, Semaj

No vote: Bubbles, Chaos, Lassr

So one person has shown an unhealthy preoccupation, not with Wolf tactics in general, but with Wolf-signaling in particular (about which he rambles to the exclusion of all else).

And one person has spoken incoherently about goodness, provenness, and what extra he has learned about his already 100% reliable, redundantly supported intel.

And both of those people are voting against me.

Gee-- what a surprise.

Will be be getting in some game before the row-locking? Or is this on hold till Saturday?

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Fri May 08, 2009 8:46 am

Grundbegriff wrote:Will be be getting in some game before the row-locking? Or is this on hold till Saturday?

I'm guessing Saturday, but it really isn't up to me.

Mr Bubbles · Post by **Mr Bubbles** » Fri May 08, 2009 9:32 am

I'm going to have to place my vote later. I need to review whats going on. Lots of suspicion going on. Lots of fishy talk. Lets see who passes the smell test.

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Fri May 08, 2009 9:32 am

Grundbegriff wrote:
stessier wrote:
Against Semaj (2): Unagi, Grund
Against Grund (2): Newcastle, Semaj

No vote: Bubbles, Chaos, Lassr

So one person has shown an unhealthy preoccupation, not with Wolf tactics in general, but with Wolf-signaling in particular (about which he rambles to the exclusion of all else).

And one person has spoken incoherently about goodness, provenness, and what extra he has learned about his already 100% reliable, redundantly supported intel.

And both of those people are voting against me.

Gee-- what a surprise.

Will be be getting in some game before the row-locking? Or is this on hold till Saturday?

that's what's irritating, You are setting off my bad guy alarm but so is newcastle and semaj.

If I could get you three together I'd toss a grenade in the middle of the pack.

Newcastle · Post by **Newcastle** » Fri May 08, 2009 2:01 pm

/ooc

is it safe to post re: the maintenance? Or we on pause. From what fishpants said, i think it's over.

/ooc

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Fri May 08, 2009 2:31 pm

GAME ON!

Post away.

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Fri May 08, 2009 3:33 pm

Semaj · Post by **Semaj** » Fri May 08, 2009 4:52 pm

Unagi wrote: Why does it matter what I find 'acceptable' , you seem to be forgetting that I could be a wolf and just totally full of shit - you seem to honestly want to keep me appeased or something.

I was attempting to envelop/bring forth/whatever you find most entertaining to hear the spirit of Kraegor and use sarcasm as a device to bring my point across. I assume someone else got it, or I have to go back to Kraegor 101 classes.

and now for my attemt at being newcastle:

/Semaj grabs a microphone and taps it.

Is this thing on?

/Semaj then heads over and hands the microphone to Chaosraven.

Any thoughts? I think we'd all like to hear em.

/Semaj then looks over at Bubbles.

How about you?

/Semaj looks about the group.

I'd like to see some participation before the weekend hits.

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Fri May 08, 2009 5:13 pm

Semaj wrote:Is this thing on?

/Semaj then heads over and hands the microphone to Chaosraven.

Any thoughts? I think we'd all like to hear em.

Well the odd thing we see is the push on Grund.

There's no reason to NOT lynch Semaj. So why Grund instead?
Now, I happen to KNOW Newcastle isn't the SheWolf.
But if he's the HeWolf and knows Semaj is SheWolf, then here's a diversion vote to Grund.

But wouldn't *I* have been the better choice? Grund's voucher is expired. Scoop is gone.

Which is why my narrowed eyes are peering at Grund. This would be a nifty play, to kill his own "NotSheWolf" and move himself behind me as "better info lynch", which is what I've been saying these two days.

My opinion is that is Semaj is the SheWolf, then Newcastle is likely the HeWolf.
If Semaj is not, then Newcastle is probably not the HeWolf (after all, WTF not go ahead and vote against a NonWolf???)

So from my POV, Semaj is a Decent Choice to vote for based on todays activities, but I'm going to go back over the 3 Pack behaviors from the beginning.

Mr Bubbles · Post by **Mr Bubbles** » Sat May 09, 2009 12:46 am

Semaj

And I cant fight this feeling anymore
Ive forgotten what I started fighting for
Its time to bring this ship
into the shore
And throw away the oars, forever

Semaj · Post by **Semaj** » Sat May 09, 2009 4:47 am

Ah well, it was nice knowing ya... Good luck finding the wolves.

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Sat May 09, 2009 6:24 am

Tuesday Vote Tally

Unagi acc Semaj (1)
Grund acc Semaj (2)
Newcastle acc Grund (1)
Semaj acc Grund (2)
Lassr acc Semaj (3)
Lassr wd Semaj (2)
Bubbles acc Semaj(3)

Votes needed = 4

Against Semaj (3): Unagi, Grund, Bubbles
Against Grund (2): Newcastle, Semaj

No vote: Chaos, Lassr

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Sat May 09, 2009 10:55 am

2. Unagi --- clears Mr Bubbles of She-Wolfdom
6. Lassr --- clears Mr Bubbles of She-Wolfdom

Possible Pairing.
Unagi = SheWolf
Lassr = HeWolf

Based on the Nighttime Reveal of Unagi, which would make Lassr a Signaling Silent Partner

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But I think with the Late Claim of Lassr as "My main pick (Lassr) is not a werewolf." and the ensuing Oddities

I'm going to have to go with Semaj as SheWolf and Newcastle as HeWolf

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Which will naturally mean that Grund has played me all along... Remus dies first, between two of us having one name and his getting eaten...

Semaj
Grundbegriff
Unagi

...

Semaj · Post by **Semaj** » Sat May 09, 2009 1:56 pm

Chaosraven wrote:2. Unagi --- clears Mr Bubbles of She-Wolfdom
6. Lassr --- clears Mr Bubbles of She-Wolfdom

Possible Pairing.
Unagi = SheWolf
Lassr = HeWolf

Based on the Nighttime Reveal of Unagi, which would make Lassr a Signaling Silent Partner

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But I think with the Late Claim of Lassr as "My main pick (Lassr) is not a werewolf." and the ensuing Oddities

I'm going to have to go with Semaj as SheWolf and Newcastle as HeWolf

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Which will naturally mean that Grund has played me all along... Remus dies first, between two of us having one name and his getting eaten...

Semaj
Grundbegriff
Unagi

...

You quite literally have almost named everyone... That or you are missing quotes. So either it's Me and Newcastle, Lassr and Unagi... or Grund?

Which means you dont have Bubbles, yourself and ... the dead people... As possible wolves.

I still think the fact I wake up later than everyone else isnt a wolfish tell and arguing the semantics of the way I talk just means no matter how much we joke, I start dying the day i start talking more than just enough to get bye. Which means I shouldn't talk, ever... Lol

Still unpowered villager = one really fun day for me.

My 3 evils atm:

Grund: Newcastle was spot on, he doesnt seem like Grundstanding grund and he seems to be all about dogpiling.
Chaosraven: I dont know your deal, but when you implicate everyone but 1 person as evil, it doesnt come off right.
I'm stretching for a third... I'll go with Mr B because he's pretty much not saying anything. But that one is still a stretch.

Semaj · Post by **Semaj** » Sat May 09, 2009 2:05 pm

Against Semaj (3): Unagi, Grund, Bubbles

At least one of these people is a WW. The fact I'm twisting in the wind means either there are 2 or one doesn't want to be the guy to finish me off. I guess they think I look evil enough all they have to do is wait and desperation will sink in and someone else will finish me off.

Grundbegriff · Post by **Grundbegriff** » Sat May 09, 2009 2:44 pm

Semaj wrote:Which means I shouldn't talk, ever... Lol

Grund: Newcastle was spot on, he doesnt seem like Grundstanding grund and he seems to be all about dogpiling.

I'm all about dogpiling? I have voted once each day for a stated reason, and haven't changed.

Right at the outset, I analyzed whatever's susceptible to analysis. But really-- what do we have to go on in a Back to Basics game with no Specials?

Chaosraven: I dont know your deal, but when you implicate everyone but 1 person as evil, it doesnt come off right. I'm stretching for a third... I'll go with Mr B because he's pretty much not saying anything. But that one is still a stretch.

Oddly enough, drawing suspicion toward Chaosraven and Bubbles on the basis that they're the only two people Chaosraven didn't implicate is the first vaguely rational thing you've done so far, as I'm sure 'raven would grant. This doesn't mean that either is evil, of course, but it is peculiar to see you go from carefree and rambling to pseudo-analytical when the pressure's on. [img]There's no emoticon for this one.[/img

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Sat May 09, 2009 5:21 pm

Any of you could be the HeWolf.

Only Unagi, Grund, or Semaj can be the SheWolf
(and yes, Semaj, I hae left myself out. If Grund ain't a Wolf, his list has my name instead of his)

My "linked combos" are based on what I see, depending on lynch results.

Semaj

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Sat May 09, 2009 5:41 pm

VOTING CLOSED!

Tuesday Vote Tally - Final Count

Unagi acc Semaj (1)
Grund acc Semaj (2)
Newcastle acc Grund (1)
Semaj acc Grund (2)
Lassr acc Semaj (3)
Lassr wd Semaj (2)
Bubbles acc Semaj (3)
Chaosraven acc Semaj (4)

Votes needed = 4

Against Semaj (4): Unagi, Grund, Bubbles, Chaosraven
Against Grund (2): Newcastle, Semaj

No vote: Lassr

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Sat May 09, 2009 5:43 pm

Having slept through most of Monday, Semaj was determined to make his mark. Walking in front of the group he started to warm up the crowd: "I know this speech will probably get me killed, but..."

At that point Unagi interrupted him loudly: "So say we all?"

A chorus arose from Grundbegriff, Mr Bubbles, and Chaosraven: "SO SAY WE ALL!"

Shocked, Semaj looked around in bewilderment as he was grabbed and dragged to the town square. There he saw the tall oak with a noose with his name on it - he quite admired the skill the Rope Maker had used to integrate it without apparently weakening the rope.

Snapping out of his revere, Semaj figured enough was enough. These mortals would finally learn the true meaning of fear - and with that, he turned into a 7' tall mass of hairy, writhing muscle and teeth. Unagi had just enough time to register the transformation before his throat was ripped out. Bubbles was the next to fall as Semaj's claws ripped through his spine. The rest of the village fell quickly and Semaj fed well that night.

/*Fade to black*/

"Ahhh", thought Semaj, "now that would be the way to go. Not strung up on a tree by these idiots. Oh well, that's li-"

As the rope snapped taught, the mob waited quietly with anticipation. 1 minutes...2 minutes...5 minutes...the sun had dipped below the horizon and it was getting dark. People started to look around sheepishly and drift back to their homes.

SEMAJ WAS A GOO-

"WAIT," someone shouted. "LOOK!!"

By the light of the moon, by the light of the star - the claws and fangs were unmistakable.

SEMAJ WAS A WEREWOLF! Well done Villagers...almost makes up for killing theohall. Almost.

Town Residents:
1. Newcastle
2. Unagi
3. Chaosraven
4. Theohall
5. Grundbegriff
6. Lassr
7. Mr Bubbles
8. Scoop20906
9. Semaj
10. Remus West

Boilerplate:

Night has fallen.

Oh Great Wolfy One, who is on the Menu?

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Sat May 09, 2009 8:12 pm

Well hot damn. Great job! A lot of activity for the weekend. Wish I had kept my vote on semaj now since the withdrawal makes me look bad. Oh well, one down one to go.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Sat May 09, 2009 9:02 pm

LOL - stessier, that was a fraking ride.

Mr Bubbles · Post by **Mr Bubbles** » Sat May 09, 2009 9:25 pm

Ha... Semaj.. His error was his downfall. Can't fool this sharp bunch. Except Lassr. Apparently he's forgotten what it's like to play since he's usually the first to die. Pity.

Grundbegriff · Post by **Grundbegriff** » Sat May 09, 2009 9:30 pm

Sweet!

Nice write-up, jerk stess!

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Sat May 09, 2009 10:08 pm

Mr Bubbles wrote:Ha... Semaj.. His error was his downfall. Can't fool this sharp bunch. Except Lassr. Apparently he's forgotten what it's like to play since he's usually the first to die. Pity.

Hey!

I was just giving Chaos a chance to do some Chaosraving before I voted again. semaj died before I even got a chance to vote.

<lassr storms off stomping his feet in rage like a kid throwing a tantrum. Unfortunately the mossy grass deadens the demonstration and no one even notices>

Semaj · Post by **Semaj** » Sun May 10, 2009 3:06 am

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Sun May 10, 2009 3:08 pm

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Sun May 10, 2009 6:57 pm

1. Newcastle
2. Unagi
3. Chaosraven
5. Grundbegriff
6. Lassr
7. Mr Bubbles

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6 remain.
Come morning it's 5.

Lynch 1 = 4
Night kill = 3
Lynch 1 =2

So there's 2 Chances.

If Semaj was the HeWolf, then it's either Unagi or Grund.
If Semaj was the SheWolf, could be any of ya.

Based on the misdirection, my money is on Semaj as SheWolf, Newcastle as HeWolf.

1. Newcastle
2. Unagi
3. Chaosraven
5. Grundbegriff
6. Lassr
7. Mr Bubbles

* Unagi acc Semaj (1) - SheWolf doesn't know her partner
* Grund acc Semaj (2) - SheWolf doesn't know her partner
* Newcastle acc Grund (1) - Newcastle is not the SheWolf, as HeWolf could try to save SheWolf
* Semaj acc Grund (2) - Semaj was either SheWolf or HeWolf
Lassr acc Semaj (3) - this tells me Lassr isn't the HeWolf, as that would make Semaj the SheWolf (since Lassr cannot be)
Lassr wd Semaj (2) - except...

* Bubbles acc Semaj (3) - this tells me Bubbles isn't the HeWolf, as that would make Semaj the SheWolf (since Bubbles cannot be)
* Chaosraven acc Semaj (4) (Unagi and Grund can fill this in with the note about SheWolf and partner)

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Time to examine Semaj Night Zero, One, and Days One and Two.