Georgia v. Trump

Kurth · Post by **Kurth** » Fri Aug 25, 2023 8:49 pm

waitingtoconnect wrote: ↑Fri Aug 25, 2023 1:10 am He didn’t he went through a bail bondsman! How many (real) billionaires do that.

Too funny. He paid that guy $20K to post that $200K bond.

Zaxxon · Post by **Zaxxon** » Fri Aug 25, 2023 8:58 pm

Kurth wrote: ↑Fri Aug 25, 2023 8:49 pm
waitingtoconnect wrote: ↑Fri Aug 25, 2023 1:10 am He didn’t he went through a bail bondsman! How many (real) billionaires do that.
Too funny. He paid that guy $20K to post that $200K bond.

More likely, donations paid it through his PAC. Or something else equally as shameful.

Hyena · Post by **Hyena** » Fri Aug 25, 2023 11:58 pm

Skinypupy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 7:54 pm Trump just self reported himself as 6’3”, 215 lbs at his surrender in Fulton County.

https://tenor.com/ZzrC.gif

GreenGoo · Post by **GreenGoo** » Sat Aug 26, 2023 1:40 pm

Ok, I want to solicit guesses as to Drumpf's actual weight.

I'm 6', don't look nearly as big/heavy as drumpf, and if I weighed 215 I would be very happy.

I'd like some guesses. Any takers?

Blackhawk · Post by **Blackhawk** » Sat Aug 26, 2023 2:23 pm

Quick research:

He's probably 6'1", the same as me. Maybe 6'2", but he's a noticeable sloucher. He may have been taller once, but lost some height with age.

For weight? Between 240 and 250.

msteelers · Post by **msteelers** » Sat Aug 26, 2023 2:31 pm

I’m 6’2 and tend to be in the 230-240 range and he looks way bigger than me.

LawBeefaroni · Post by **LawBeefaroni** » Sat Aug 26, 2023 2:49 pm

I mentioned it in another thread, but also 6'3", 215 lbs:

Lamar Jackson.

Carpet_pissr · Post by **Carpet_pissr** » Sat Aug 26, 2023 3:19 pm

Comparing him to a NFL star is not really fair though, considering they have sooo much muscle mass which contributes to their weight. So many of those guys (any elite athlete, really) carry weight very well because their fat percentages are so damn low.

Damn you for making me defend the orange POS traitor.

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Sat Aug 26, 2023 4:17 pm

msteelers wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 2:31 pm I’m 6’2 and tend to be in the 230-240 range and he looks way bigger than me.

I'm 5'11 and 215 and I could fit inside Trump's suit with room for a whole extra person

Kurth · Post by **Kurth** » Sat Aug 26, 2023 6:40 pm

He’s at least 250, and I think that’s being generous. Hell, his spare tire probably weighs 25 lbs itself!

Carpet_pissr · Post by **Carpet_pissr** » Sat Aug 26, 2023 10:55 pm

Kurth wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 6:40 pm He’s at least 250, and I think that’s being generous. Hell, his spare tire probably weighs 25 lbs itself!

His ego, now sentient and transformed to the physical plane from sheer force, has to weigh at least that.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Sat Aug 26, 2023 10:58 pm

Carpet_pissr wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 10:55 pm
Kurth wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 6:40 pm He’s at least 250, and I think that’s being generous. Hell, his spare tire probably weighs 25 lbs itself!
His ego, now sentient and transformed to the physical plane from sheer force, has to weigh at least that.

I would counter that he is entirely 100% pure ego. If he weighs 300 lbs, it's 300 lbs of ego.

hepcat · Post by **hepcat** » Sun Aug 27, 2023 10:23 am

msteelers wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 2:31 pm I’m 6’2 and tend to be in the 230-240 range and he looks way bigger than me.

Yeah, he's most definitely heavier than that.

GreenGoo · Post by **GreenGoo** » Sun Aug 27, 2023 10:56 am

Kurth wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 6:40 pm He’s at least 250, and I think that’s being generous. Hell, his spare tire probably weighs 25 lbs itself!

Agreed. At least.

hitbyambulance · Post by **hitbyambulance** » Sun Aug 27, 2023 12:15 pm

too many here hedging with 'at least 250'. sooooooo... 280, actually?

GreenGoo · Post by **GreenGoo** » Sun Aug 27, 2023 1:48 pm

hitbyambulance wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 12:15 pm too many here hedging with 'at least 250'. sooooooo... 280, actually?

310lbs!

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Sun Aug 27, 2023 1:59 pm

315 lbs …

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Sun Aug 27, 2023 3:46 pm

If he's 6'3", I see no way he can weigh less than 280. I am 6'2''ish (shrinking as I get older) and I topped out at just under 270 with no muscle after decades at a desk job and then coming home to laze about. I didn't have a bulk like him that I was trying to hide under tailored clothes that don't end up looking tailored. He's out there playing golf every day, even if he rides in a cart all day, that was more exercise than I was getting and he still had a lot more bulk and bulge than I ever did, which suggest he'd have more girth and more density without fighting inflammation like I do.

Kasey Chang · Post by **Kasey Chang** » Sun Aug 27, 2023 5:24 pm

His previous measurements, as reported by whitehouse doctors, were 6'2" and 240#.

And let's just look at this photo of Trump next to Obama, shall we?

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Sun Aug 27, 2023 5:36 pm

And remember that Obama is 6'1". (Trump even has a heel off the ground in that photo.)

Trump's 6'3" is just as much a fantasy as his weight.

And then Trump's girth has increased significantly since that 2017 photo.

GreenGoo · Post by **GreenGoo** » Sun Aug 27, 2023 5:46 pm

Sticking with my guess.

To be honest I suspect he's even heavier, but I want to play it safe with my guess.

I wish I was insane enough to think I could lie about a hundred pounds and think people would believe it.

Blackhawk · Post by **Blackhawk** » Sun Aug 27, 2023 7:30 pm

I'm comfortable with my 240-250 guess, but it's impossible to be sure without knowing a lot more about his build. I'm 264, but I'm lucky enough to have a build that hides much of it (most people would guess I'm 30 pounds lighter than I am thanks to my 'football player' build (which is about bone structure, not muscle.)

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Thu Aug 31, 2023 7:50 pm

Judge to allow livestream of Georgia election interference case

"We've been live streaming all of our major proceedings on a Fulton County provided YouTube channel, and our plan was to do that with this case as well," McAfee said during the hearing.

McAfee previously approved two orders that allow still photography and video photography of the proceedings. While those orders are set to expire on Sept. 8, McAfee said he plans to extend the arrangement in six-month increments in order to cover the trial.

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Fri Sep 08, 2023 12:16 pm

Georgia special grand jury recommended charges in election case for Sen. Graham and 2 ex-senators

The nine-page report showed jurors recommended charges against 39 people, compared to the 18 who were charged along with former President Donald Trump. Those not indicted included Republican U.S. Sen. Lindsey Graham of South Carolina, former U.S. Sens. Kelly Loeffler and David Perdue of Georgia and former Trump national security adviser Michael Flynn.

Parts of the report, which has 19 pages of appendices, had been released in February, but a judge had delayed the release of any recommendations for specific charges against specific people until after last month’s indictment. While most of the intrigue in the inner workings of the case has diminished with the filing of charges, it is notable that the special grand jury recommended charges for many people who were not actually indicted.

Carpet_pissr · Post by **Carpet_pissr** » Fri Sep 08, 2023 2:45 pm

Isgrimnur wrote: ↑Fri Sep 08, 2023 12:16 pmThose not indicted included Republican U.S. Sen. Lindsey Graham of South Carolina

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Fri Sep 08, 2023 9:28 pm

Judge rejects Mark Meadows’ bid to move Georgia election interference case to federal court

US District Judge Steve Jones found that the allegations against Meadows contained in the Fulton County district attorney’s indictment on election subversion charges were largely “related to political activities” and not to Meadows’ role as White House chief of staff.

“The evidence before the Court overwhelmingly suggests that Meadows was not acting in his scope of executive branch duties during most of the Overt Acts alleged,” wrote Jones, a Barack Obama appointee.

The Friday ruling has significant implications for the former president and his 18 co-defendants in the Fulton County district attorney’s sprawling racketeering case, though the judge said the ruling did not apply to the other defendants. Meadows was the first of five defendants who already filed motions to move the case to federal court – and Trump is expected to do so, too.
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Jones wrote in the decision that Meadows had not met even the “‘quite low’ threshold for removal” to federal court, because his activities for the Trump campaign were outside the scope of his federal role as White House chief of staff.

“The Court finds that the color of the Office of the White House Chief of Staff did not include working with or working for the Trump campaign, except for simply coordinating the President’s schedule, traveling with the President to his campaign events, and redirecting communications to the campaign,” Jones wrote. “Thus, consistent with his testimony and the federal statutes and regulations, engaging in political activities is exceeds the outer limits of the Office of the White House Chief of Staff.”

The Hatch Act, which prohibits federal officials from engaging in political activity as part of their official duties, was “helpful in defining the outer limits of the scope the White House Chief of Staff’s authority,” the judge said.

“These prohibitions on executive branch employees (including the White House Chief of Staff) reinforce the Court’s conclusion that Meadows has not shown how his actions relate to the scope of his federal executive branch office. Federal officer removal is thereby inapposite,” the judge wrote in the decision.

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Mon Sep 11, 2023 4:00 pm

Mark Meadows requests emergency stay in Georgia election interference case

Meadows, in his motion Monday, said he "respectfully believes the Court erred" in denying his request to move his trial, and that he "intends to seek expedited review in the Court of Appeals later today."

The judge has already ordered Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis to respond by noon Tuesday.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Mon Sep 11, 2023 4:39 pm

I’m naïve, what role does she play at this stage?

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Mon Sep 11, 2023 5:21 pm

Unagi wrote: ↑Mon Sep 11, 2023 4:39 pm I’m naïve, what role does she play at this stage?

Fani Willis? She's running the DA's Office, so she's supervising the prosecution. Normally her involvement in a typical prosecution would be minimal (beyond authorizing it), but I imagine for this one she'll be much more directly involved than normal.

Carpet_pissr · Post by **Carpet_pissr** » Mon Sep 11, 2023 5:26 pm

Emphasis on “at this stage” (I think).

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Mon Sep 11, 2023 5:36 pm

El Guapo wrote: ↑Mon Sep 11, 2023 5:21 pm
Unagi wrote: ↑Mon Sep 11, 2023 4:39 pm I’m naïve, what role does she play at this stage?
Fani Willis? She's running the DA's Office, so she's supervising the prosecution. Normally her involvement in a typical prosecution would be minimal (beyond authorizing it), but I imagine for this one she'll be much more directly involved than normal.

I got that part.

I’m asking why the judge is asking for -her- to respond to this request for an emergency stay.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Mon Sep 11, 2023 5:36 pm

Carpet_pissr wrote: ↑Mon Sep 11, 2023 5:26 pm Emphasis on “at this stage” (I think).

Yes.

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Tue Sep 12, 2023 6:33 am

Unagi wrote: ↑Mon Sep 11, 2023 5:36 pm
El Guapo wrote: ↑Mon Sep 11, 2023 5:21 pm
Unagi wrote: ↑Mon Sep 11, 2023 4:39 pm I’m naïve, what role does she play at this stage?
Fani Willis? She's running the DA's Office, so she's supervising the prosecution. Normally her involvement in a typical prosecution would be minimal (beyond authorizing it), but I imagine for this one she'll be much more directly involved than normal.
I got that part.

I’m asking why the judge is asking for -her- to respond to this request for an emergency stay.

I believe she is representing Georgia in the removal proceeding.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Tue Sep 12, 2023 8:07 am

I’m sorry. Could you explain that more?
Seems like I’m the only one confused and yet no one here is offering much clarity.

Meadows thinks the court should move his case.
He’s asking the court of appeals to expedite things, since the court did not agree.

The judge has ordered the DA to respond.

I picture the DA responding with ‘fuck him, I plan to have the trial here.’

I don’t understand the DA role in responding. I thought that she was (in this struggle to keep the case in Georgia) one side of the argument and her ‘position’ is de facto clear.

What am I missing. What are the ‘responses’ that are possible?
Why is it even in her position “to respond”.

Could she respond with: “Ahh hell, Judge, just let him go to DC with it, I give up!”

Does no one understand what is confusing me here ?

GreenGoo · Post by **GreenGoo** » Tue Sep 12, 2023 8:17 am

I am not even remotely familiar with how these things work. I, as a layperson, believe it's something along the lines of "provide me with legal reasoning why moving the trial is not appropriate". Or "provide me with legal justification for keeping the trail in State court".

Something along those lines.

I think this is part of the adversarial nature of the justice system. Defense has provided a request with, presumably, reasons why the request is legally justified. The Prosecution now is required to provide legal reasons why the request is not appropriate and should be turned down.

If I'm wrong, my apologies. As I said, I'm a total layperson, but I wanted to respond with my thoughts so you didn't feel quite so alone.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Tue Sep 12, 2023 8:21 am

Okay. So she is given a chance to make her “fuck him, I plan to have this trial here” case against Meadows - that makes sense, but I don’t understand how that’s not something she needs to show the court of appeals - not this judge here, whom I assume was behind the ruling that the move to DC was denied.

Kasey Chang · Post by **Kasey Chang** » Tue Sep 12, 2023 9:08 am

Given that Meadows already lost one removal proceedings, his chances are pretty low on appeal, IMHO. But you know they are gonna try.

Kasey Chang · Post by **Kasey Chang** » Tue Sep 12, 2023 9:19 am

Trump wants Judge Chutkan recused from his trial

According to Trump('s lawyers)...

Chutkan told one defendant (in Jan 6 insurrection) in October 2022 her attempt to violently overthrow the government stemmed from “blind loyalty to one person who, by the way, remains free to this day.” She told another defendant in December 2021 that while rioters are going to prison, “the architects of that horrific event will likely never be charged.”

That's supposedly their evidence of "bias".

Personally, that's like Trump's ADMISSION of leading the Jan 6th insurrection, but obviously, I'm not a lawyer...

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Tue Sep 12, 2023 9:21 am

Unagi wrote: ↑Tue Sep 12, 2023 8:21 am Okay. So she is given a chance to make her “fuck him, I plan to have this trial here” case against Meadows - that makes sense, but I don’t understand how that’s not something she needs to show the court of appeals - not this judge here, whom I assume was behind the ruling that the move to DC was denied.

IANAL but I went through several legal courses in business school. IIRC "mechanically" the case is still with the judge (there is a order to dismiss the case with the judge); also the appeals court typically reviews the record as presented by the court. He is giving the DA's office time to respond to add their position to the case record before they send the case up to them.

raydude · Post by **raydude** » Tue Sep 12, 2023 9:23 am

Unagi wrote: ↑Tue Sep 12, 2023 8:21 am Okay. So she is given a chance to make her “fuck him, I plan to have this trial here” case against Meadows - that makes sense, but I don’t understand how that’s not something she needs to show the court of appeals - not this judge here, whom I assume was behind the ruling that the move to DC was denied.

It looks like Meadows filed a motion for emergency stay with both the court of appeals and with the judge who denied him the request to move to DC court. I think the idea is that if he can get an emergency stay with one of them then it applies. Thus, the judge who denied him the first time, and who Meadows filed the emergency stay with, is asking the DA to provide her response. I'm guessing that by doing so he is showing fairness in allowing both the prosecution and defense to declare why the stay should be approved or not. This way the judge could say "look, the DA's case for preventing a stay was weak, and the defense's argument was strong, therefore stay approved".

That's my read on the article as a non-lawyer.