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Re: 2022 Midterm Election
Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2022 9:20 am
by LordMortis
Carpet_pissr wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 9:09 am
Likely a McCarthy led House…ugh. May he never get any kind of decent R coalition to vote in lockstep.
I don't see your with coming true. Elected R's get in line and don't deviate. Maybe just maybe Trumpublicans will break that reality but I don't see it. McCarthy's House will go after Biden worse than the last House went after Trump but with even less than they had when Nunes as their insane mouthpiece attacking Obama.
Re: 2022 Midterm Election
Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2022 9:22 am
by malchior
Because the margin may be razor thin the worst outcome - a BS impeachment of Biden - might be off the table but it'll almost certainly be worse and more megaphoned by the negligent media than ever before.
Re: 2022 Midterm Election
Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2022 11:52 am
by malchior
The first gate today for McCarthy is getting the Republican nomination. That's seems relatively certain. The real fight comes when the new Congress is seated and the full vote for Speaker has to be decided. MAGAts and "centrists" might battle it out in advance of that.
Today, House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) faces a vote from fellow Republicans for the party’s nomination for speaker as the GOP appears to be on the cusp of winning control of the House in the next Congress. McCarthy is being challenged by Rep. Andy Biggs (R-Ariz.) but is expected to survive. The real test will be in January, when McCarthy must win a majority vote of the full House, which could require offering concessions to disaffected Republicans. Control of the House has yet to be formally called, but Democratic hopes of staying in power have dwindled.
Later Tuesday, former president Donald Trump is expected to announce a 2024 White House bid in Palm Beach, Fla., even as many in his party blame him for a weaker-than-expected Republican showing in the midterms. President Biden remains in Indonesia for the Group of 20 summit.
Re: 2022 Midterm Election
Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2022 12:03 pm
by Kraken
My news feed this morning says the GOP is one seat away from House control.
Re: 2022 Midterm Election
Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2022 12:04 pm
by Defiant
Maybe barrier or challenge would be a better term than "gate"?
Here I was, all excited for the first major McCarthyGate scandal.
Also, looking further down that page, it looks like he unsuccessfully attempted to persuade a moderate Democrat to switch parties
I'll also say that if there is real irreconcilable differences between the wings of the Republican party in attempting to decide who should be speaker, they could remove the rule that requires that the speaker have majority votes and just go with the plurality (it's happened at least a couple of times in the past, although at those times, no party had a majority of seats because of third parties). Of course, going with a plurality would risk the possibility that Democrats would manage to win the speakership, so I doubt that will happen, but it's fun to dream.
Re: 2022 Midterm Election
Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2022 12:06 pm
by El Guapo
Kraken wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 12:03 pm
My news feed this morning says the GOP is one seat away from House control.
It's funny, because if you offered me these election results before the election, I would've jumped on them in a heartbeat. But now that they're here I can't help but feel frustrated that the House was in reach but we fell just short, in part because of Democratic Party screw ups (though to be fair we're probably only close because of Republican Party screw ups).
Re: 2022 Midterm Election
Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2022 12:23 pm
by malchior
House control would be nice just to keep the circus away from town for a little longer. But if there was one thing this mid-term is confirming, it is that the relatively high turnout on all sides has substantiated the idea that we're extremely polarized and the 'persuadable' majority is getting thinner. Luckily no one seems to care enough about mid-terms to make an issue of all the election denying but it does cast gloom over 2024. When it involves a Presidential election will people accept the results? Especially if it involves Trump and he loses again? We'll see pretty quickly I imagine how much the Republican majority will use the House to whip up fervor.
Re: 2022 Midterm Election
Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2022 12:28 pm
by Smoove_B
(Sort of) related (maybe) is the recognition in one of my local papers that politics were quite influential in local school board elections. More specifically, they were able to trace donations from individuals and organizations tied to the GOP in support of school board candidates that were pushing agendas related to "parent's rights" concerning sexual health education, "woke" curriculum corrections, masks, etc...
I think their conclusion was that even though local school board elections are non-partisan, the candidates were using language designed to communicate through the thinnest of veils possible exactly where they stood. I know there's been a lot of discussion about how the GOP has been targeting school boards, planning boards, town committees, etc.... as a way to force administrative changes and it was nice to see the local news media at least pointing it out. I can only assume they'll be bought and sold by 2024, only pumping out GOP approved messages by then.
Re: 2022 Midterm Election
Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2022 2:54 pm
by Alefroth
My state legislative district flipped our senator blue, so now every elected official of mine from the most local all the way up is blue. I don't know if that's ever been the case.
Re: 2022 Midterm Election
Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2022 9:58 pm
by Alefroth
Why in the world hasn't Boebert been called yet? It's been at 99% for days.
Re: 2022 Midterm Election
Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2022 10:00 pm
by Zaxxon
Alefroth wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 9:58 pm
Why in the world hasn't Boebert been called yet? It's been at 99% for days.
Close enough that ballot curing matters.
Re: 2022 Midterm Election
Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2022 10:00 pm
by Smoove_B
Maybe I'm confusing races, but I want to say they are going through all election day post-marked ballots and all military/absentee ballots and they anticipated that would take 7+ additional days?
Re: 2022 Midterm Election
Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2022 10:01 pm
by malchior
Alefroth wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 9:58 pm
Why in the world hasn't Boebert been called yet? It's been at 99% for days.
It's still very close and the deadline for ballots to come in from overseas is tomorrow. The expected finish is end of the week.
Re: 2022 Midterm Election
Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2022 7:48 pm
by Defiant
And Republicans officially win the House.
Re: 2022 Midterm Election
Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2022 8:00 pm
by Kraken
So their majority will be 1-5 seats. Enough to stir up a lot of trouble, but not to drive policy. They are less united than ever, thanks to Florida Man's refusal to go away.
Re: 2022 Midterm Election
Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2022 8:05 pm
by Holman
Does the vote for Speaker involve the whole House, or is it just within the majority party?
If the former, how hard would it be for Dems to join 2 or 3 moderate Republicans in electing a somewhat moderate Speaker?
(I know, I'm fantasizing about a functional representative government.)
Re: 2022 Midterm Election
Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2022 8:11 pm
by YellowKing
Kraken wrote:So their majority will be 1-5 seats. Enough to stir up a lot of trouble, but not to drive policy.
And yet I'm sure they'll act like that majority will be a mandate from God and every American to tear this nation away from Satan's fiery claws and back into the loving world Jesus intended: white, straight, missionary-position only sex with your homemaking wife to produce little God-fearing white babies.
Re: 2022 Midterm Election
Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2022 8:12 pm
by Scraper
Holman wrote: ↑Wed Nov 16, 2022 8:05 pm
Does the vote for Speaker involve the whole House, or is it just within the majority party?
If the former, how hard would it be for Dems to join 2 or 3 moderate Republicans in electing a somewhat moderate Speaker?
(I know, I'm fantasizing about a functional representative government.)
It's just the majority party, that's why there's also a minority speaker.
Re: 2022 Midterm Election
Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2022 8:13 pm
by Holman
Scraper wrote: ↑Wed Nov 16, 2022 8:12 pm
Holman wrote: ↑Wed Nov 16, 2022 8:05 pm
Does the vote for Speaker involve the whole House, or is it just within the majority party?
If the former, how hard would it be for Dems to join 2 or 3 moderate Republicans in electing a somewhat moderate Speaker?
(I know, I'm fantasizing about a functional representative government.)
It's just the majority party, that's why there's also a minority speaker.
Thanks.
Re: 2022 Midterm Election
Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2022 8:23 pm
by Unagi
Re: 2022 Midterm Election
Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2022 8:28 pm
by El Guapo
Is there a larger version of the original picture?
Re: 2022 Midterm Election
Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2022 8:29 pm
by Holman
Again, this is a standard alt-right meme format. They've done it many times before.
Antisemites will recognize it right away and enjoy when the rest of us don't.
Re: 2022 Midterm Election
Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2022 9:31 pm
by Defiant
Holman wrote: ↑Wed Nov 16, 2022 8:05 pm
Does the vote for Speaker involve the whole House, or is it just within the majority party?
If the former, how hard would it be for Dems to join 2 or 3 moderate Republicans in electing a somewhat moderate Speaker?
(I know, I'm fantasizing about a functional representative government.)
IIUC, typically each party votes within their party to choose a nominee, and then each party puts forward a nominee and votes for the Speaker. The speaker needs to receive a majority of those who vote.
In theory, A few moderate Republicans could vote for a moderate Democratic speaker, but would most likely get severely punished by the Republican party if they did that (stuff like loss of committee seats, the party would help their opponents in the primary, etc)
There was one occasion (sometime in the 1800s) when the party with the most seats didn't get the Speakership, but in that congress there were a few third party Representatives and enough of them voted for the second biggest party's candidate to give them a majority vote. And there were a few times when the rule that required a majority vote was suspended and instead it was given to the plurality, but I don't see that happening now because it would risk the Democrats being able to elect someone with just their votes.
Re: 2022 Midterm Election
Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2022 10:29 pm
by Holman
Defiant wrote: ↑Wed Nov 16, 2022 9:31 pm
Holman wrote: ↑Wed Nov 16, 2022 8:05 pm
Does the vote for Speaker involve the whole House, or is it just within the majority party?
If the former, how hard would it be for Dems to join 2 or 3 moderate Republicans in electing a somewhat moderate Speaker?
(I know, I'm fantasizing about a functional representative government.)
IIUC, typically each party votes within their party to choose a nominee, and then each party puts forward a nominee and votes for the Speaker. The speaker needs to receive a majority of those who vote.
In theory, A few moderate Republicans could vote for a moderate Democratic speaker, but would most likely get severely punished by the Republican party if they did that (stuff like loss of committee seats, the party would help their opponents in the primary, etc)
There was one occasion (sometime in the 1800s) when the party with the most seats didn't get the Speakership, but in that congress there were a few third party Representatives and enough of them voted for the second biggest party's candidate to give them a majority vote. And there were a few times when the rule that required a majority vote was suspended and instead it was given to the plurality, but I don't see that happening now because it would risk the Democrats being able to elect someone with just their votes.
What would happen if Democrats put forward a non-MAGA Republican representative for Speaker who then had the support of all the Democrats and a handful of non-MAGA Republicans?
Re: 2022 Midterm Election
Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2022 11:00 pm
by Defiant
Holman wrote: ↑Wed Nov 16, 2022 10:29 pm
What would happen if Democrats put forward a non-MAGA Republican representative for Speaker who then had the support of all the Democrats and a handful of non-MAGA Republicans?
I still think the handful of non-MAGA Republican's would be punished for that, even if it's a Republican speaker. The rest of the party will be pissed off at them for the move (presumably that Republican speaker would be less popular with Republicans than the one the party nominated), and it would be awful for party discipline, so I think it's highly unlikely.
Still, if tensions within the Republican party are high enough, maybe it's remotely possible? We've seen moderate politicians switch parties before, for example. Or I could see the possibility for the non-MAGA Republicans using their leverage (their vote) to try to push for a more moderate Speaker, overplay their hand and get called for bluffing and it turns out they're not bluffing? Again, I think it's highly unlikely, but it certainly would be an entertaining possibility.
Re: 2022 Midterm Election
Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2022 12:50 pm
by Daehawk
Re: 2022 Midterm Election
Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2022 1:56 pm
by Zaxxon
Preview of the next two years...
Re: 2022 Midterm Election
Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2022 2:01 pm
by malchior
The next two years are going to be chaotic. The "investigations" list is long. I quote that word because it'll be mostly be 'show trials' about building street cred for conspiracy theories and further tearing down trust in the federal government.
Re: 2022 Midterm Election
Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2022 2:39 pm
by Alefroth
Katie Porter's race still hasn't been called. She looks safe, but I'd sure hate to see her not return.
Re: 2022 Midterm Election
Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2022 3:09 pm
by YellowKing
malchior wrote:[The next two years are going to be chaotic. The "investigations" list is long. I quote that word because it'll be mostly be 'show trials' about building street cred for conspiracy theories and further tearing down trust in the federal government.
I have a feeling those investigations are only going to hurt the GOP. It seems like people are kind of fed up with the conspiracies at this point.
Re: 2022 Midterm Election
Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2022 3:11 pm
by Blackhawk
My laptop is real, too!
Re: 2022 Midterm Election
Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2022 3:15 pm
by Octavious
YellowKing wrote: ↑Thu Nov 17, 2022 3:09 pm
malchior wrote:[The next two years are going to be chaotic. The "investigations" list is long. I quote that word because it'll be mostly be 'show trials' about building street cred for conspiracy theories and further tearing down trust in the federal government.
I have a feeling those investigations are only going to hurt the GOP. It seems like people are kind of fed up with the conspiracies at this point.
My co-workers were talking about how at least now they will investigate Hunter. I just don't talk to them anymore as obviously they just drink the Tucker juice all day and night.
Re: 2022 Midterm Election
Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2022 3:22 pm
by malchior
YellowKing wrote: ↑Thu Nov 17, 2022 3:09 pm
malchior wrote:[The next two years are going to be chaotic. The "investigations" list is long. I quote that word because it'll be mostly be 'show trials' about building street cred for conspiracy theories and further tearing down trust in the federal government.
I have a feeling those investigations are only going to hurt the GOP. It seems like people are kind of fed up with the conspiracies at this point.
The trouble is that we just saw that a strong 48-50% of the population who voted isn't fed up with it. Media narratives aside we've still got deep, intractable problems.
Re: 2022 Midterm Election
Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2022 3:59 pm
by Carpet_pissr
Blackhawk wrote: ↑Thu Nov 17, 2022 3:11 pm
My laptop is real, too!
No shit. Are we at the point where his laptop has reached mythical status or something? Religious icon? I guess "his laptop" is the new "her emails".
Fun.
Re: 2022 Midterm Election
Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2022 6:09 pm
by LordMortis
Zaxxon wrote: ↑Thu Nov 17, 2022 1:56 pm
Preview of the next two years...
That totally reads like parody post by some sort of ghost chaser. Or like there will be cake. Of course, Musk informs me if the GOP were a
really the joke they make themselves to be then they'd have to the word parody in their name.
I imagine all the faithful are all
Re: 2022 Midterm Election
Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2022 6:19 pm
by Alefroth
Lots of money and muscle lining up to defend against proposed House investigations:
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/17/us/p ... biden.html
Re: 2022 Midterm Election
Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2022 7:59 pm
by Kraken
I, for one, look forward to finally learning the truth about Benghazi.
I suppose the GOP will try to turn the Afghanistan defeat into Biden's Benghazi.
Re: 2022 Midterm Election
Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2022 8:01 pm
by Unagi
Zaxxon wrote: ↑Thu Nov 17, 2022 1:56 pm
I mean, I have to admit that I always thought that Hunter Biden may actually have owned a laptop.
Re: 2022 Midterm Election
Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2022 11:04 pm
by Defiant
It's nice that they're going to be prioritizing an issue that was the *checks notes* 17th most important issue to voters going into the midterms
(Smoove, you may want to look away, as I don't think you want to know what the only issue that fell below investigating Biden was)
Re: 2022 Midterm Election
Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2022 12:10 am
by malchior
