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Kirk was never stationed on Pike's ships, and Pike was some 30 years his senior. If they're going canon at all, it'll be a cameo. At the same time, if they're going canon, Pike was the second Captain of the Enterprise, held the role for 15 years, and Spock was there for the last 11 of those.

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I remember reading a paperback book on when Enterprise was commissioned and went on a secret mission against the Romulans with Robert April and Pike. Well before Kirk.
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Blackhawk wrote: Thu Mar 17, 2022 5:14 pm Kirk was never stationed on Pike's ships, and Pike was some 30 years his senior. If they're going canon at all, it'll be a cameo.
That's why I find the very idea to be troublesome. I wonder how they'll handle it. It'd have to be something like them indirectly crossing paths before their first official meeting. Maybe they'll avoid meeting face-to-face. The idea of having access to Kirk though just feels like it'd be too much of a temptation for them.

They're already playing fairly loose with canon in Discovery. When SNW was announced, I was hoping that they'd just deal with Pike's command of the Enterprise and not touch any of Kirk's era at all. There's plenty to do there without invoking Kahn's wrath ;)
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Rumpy wrote: Thu Mar 17, 2022 6:38 pm
Blackhawk wrote: Thu Mar 17, 2022 5:14 pm Kirk was never stationed on Pike's ships, and Pike was some 30 years his senior. If they're going canon at all, it'll be a cameo.
That's why I find the very idea to be troublesome. I wonder how they'll handle it. It'd have to be something like them indirectly crossing paths before their first official meeting.
It's been a while since I've seen The Menagerie, but I think they'd met prior to that, so there was no detailed 'first official meeting.' That leaves a little flexibility.
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Rumpy wrote: Thu Mar 17, 2022 4:13 pm Heh, good one, Hep! Took me a sec, but I got it :D
They have ships that travel faster than light, but the best they could do for Pike was a friggin’ chair with a goddamn light on it that blinked once for yes and twice for no?
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I have a feeling that they'll give him a Stephen Hawking-like synthesizer voice in this version. But yeah, I know what you mean.
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hepcat wrote: Thu Mar 17, 2022 8:48 pm
Rumpy wrote: Thu Mar 17, 2022 4:13 pm Heh, good one, Hep! Took me a sec, but I got it :D
They have ships that travel faster than light, but the best they could do for Pike was a friggin’ chair with a goddamn light on it that blinked once for yes and twice for no?
They blew their meager budget on Pike's melted face.
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They’ll probably just make the light blue or something.
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Blackhawk wrote: Thu Mar 17, 2022 5:14 pm Kirk was never stationed on Pike's ships, and Pike was some 30 years his senior. If they're going canon at all, it'll be a cameo. At the same time, if they're going canon, Pike was the second Captain of the Enterprise, held the role for 15 years, and Spock was there for the last 11 of those.

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Well, yes. But there's canon, and then there's canon.
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Would you call them alternative facts?
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Alternative Canon maybe ;)

But it's all based on direction they want to take things. The current powers that be, from the movies to the TV series, have shown that they're selective in what they consider canon. They'll only ever adhere to canon if it suits them.
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Gave me chills.

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If not for the music and the shuttlecraft in the first few seconds, I'd think I was watching Hell on Wheels :D
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Well, Star Trek was intended to be Wagon Train to the stars.
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True! It's just amusing to me seeing as on Hell on Wheels, he had a beard, and then you see him galloping on a horse...
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All the cool captains ride a horse.

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Damn straight! :D Now if that movie were made today, Pike would be asking why he wasn't invited to the Horse Party. Could just picture him hanging back and saying, "Hey, what about me, guys? Sorry, I'm a little late to the Party. But I sure do love horses. Just ask Colm Meaney."
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I'd been wondering a lot about the timeframe between Pike and Kirk and the time that Kirk takes command of the Enterprise. I found a great video that summarizes it. Apparently, by the time Strange New Worlds airs, Pike would already have been in command of the ship for more than 10 years. Boiling it down, the show is set in 2260, Kirk takes command in 2265. This means we could technically see Kirk do everything established that hasn't been seen on screen, ie his time on the Farragut, his meeting of Carol Marcus, and he doesn't even have to cross paths with Pike until he takes over.

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So they are going for a 5 year show instead of a typical 7? I suppose they could ignore the way time passes and say 5 years have passed when its 7 years later.

Also have they stated this Kirk is from Pike's universe? Could he be from another alternate one and only be part of the show occasionally or even once? I mean Anson is SUPER popular.

If they switch to Kirk in command Ill be proud I didn't watch it lol. Dont need to see that era..we have. Id rather see Pike stay the entire time and his accident never happening.
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Daehawk wrote: Wed Mar 30, 2022 2:44 pm So they are going for a 5 year show instead of a typical 7?
Bart Simpson has been 10 for 40 years. TV doesn't obey time. Time obeys TV.
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There's nothing said about how long they'll go for, but I guess it could be technically implied just on the basis on the 5 year gap between Pike and Kirk. Also, with a TV show, they can always stretch it out. That gives them a little breathing room.
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hepcat wrote: Wed Mar 30, 2022 3:13 pm
Daehawk wrote: Wed Mar 30, 2022 2:44 pm So they are going for a 5 year show instead of a typical 7?
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Bart has a special way of not aging though.
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Also in TOS the Enterprise is on a "five year mission." If I had to guess they're going to say that Pike is taking the Enterprise on a five year mission which concludes in 2065 when Kirk takes over and starts a new five year mission.
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Or they’re going on a 3 hour tour….

…a 3 hour tour.
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El Guapo wrote: Wed Mar 30, 2022 8:17 pm Also in TOS the Enterprise is on a "five year mission." If I had to guess they're going to say that Pike is taking the Enterprise on a five year mission which concludes in 2065 when Kirk takes over and starts a new five year mission.
That's kind of what I figured from the start. If they're following canon, it's the only way it would work. Of course, we could see events from Kirk's career leading up to him taking command of the Enterprise.
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I just dont understand why. Just either set this new show back further in Pike's career or just stay with it. I want an Anson Mount captain Enterprise and I dont want it anything else. Course knowing me I wont see it anyways as I wont pay for it. No free money.
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Yeah, ideally that's what I'd want too. Having Kirk in it is something they're likely doing to draw new subscriptions though, but I imagine it might be annoying to Anson Mount after being given his own spinoff. What's next, they're going to spin off this show into a Kirk show? Oh.. wait.
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Daehawk wrote: Thu Mar 31, 2022 1:00 am I just dont understand why. Just either set this new show back further in Pike's career or just stay with it. I want an Anson Mount captain Enterprise and I dont want it anything else. Course knowing me I wont see it anyways as I wont pay for it. No free money.
I get the sense that a lot of studio executives are terrified to make something that ventures too far from something that was made before that made money. "Oh, people liked a show about the Enterprise going on a five year mission exploring strange new worlds with Spock, right? Let's do that. What else did it have - Kirk? Let's have him too."
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Two things about this trailer bother me.

1. I HATE hate hate seeing a ship like a heavy cruiser just sitting in atmosphere. They belong in space damnit :)

2. I dislike aliens that say something like "This site is sacred" then start shooting. They have NO idea how powerful or weak the one they are shooting at is. And Im tired of seeing Starfleet weaker than aliens. I hope to see Pike shoot holes in that type alien until they decide to talk it over after all.

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Yeah, like that'd be a good diplomatic tactic... :lol:

What did they do with Pike's hair though? Looked more natural in Discovery.
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Spock’s hair bothers me more. I want him to have a full mullet. Maybe perm the back of it, while they’re at it. I want a Spock who’s business in the front, but a party in the back.
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Daehawk wrote: Sun Apr 03, 2022 7:15 pm And Im tired of seeing Starfleet weaker than aliens.
Having Starfleet weaker than (or only the equal to, or outnumbered by) many aliens is what has always kept Star Trek from being an action series. They have to use ingenuity and diplomacy rather than just blasting holes in things. It keeps it from getting boring when they encounter alien after alien.
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hepcat wrote: Sun Apr 03, 2022 9:18 pm Spock’s hair bothers me more.
Come to think of it, it does look off doesn't it? I don't know what it is exactly. It looked fine in Discovery. But here it kind of looks flat, or like he's just gotten out of bed.
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hepcat wrote: Thu May 05, 2022 5:58 pm Ooh, good to hear. Watching tonight!

Update: Strange New Worlds is good so far. I think it’s going to make a lot of classic Trek fans happy.
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The one thing that I thought would be difficult is watching this show while already knowing Pike’s fate. But the writers added a twist that I think works quite well…Pike is ALSO aware he’s going to die, having seen his death after an encounter on the Klingon home world ( the reason for this was actually explained on Discovery a while back….at least the mechanics of it). This makes it possible for us to know about Pike’s fate while also watching him deal with it. We get to deal with it alongside him, essentially.

And the show just oozes Star Trek. It may be a bit fancier, and I disliked Nurse Chapel now being a geneticist who can change people’s appearances, but it still captures the feel of Star Trek quite well. Mount was born to play Pike, I think. He’s just great at it.

There were a few moments that felt cheesy. The tie in to Discovery and zero point was a bit much as I don’t see how you could “reverse engineer” warp technology from just seeing warp ships via a telescope, but they may have had other surveillance tech they didn’t mention. I’m willing to overlook that kind of thing as the show finds its footing.

The ending may feel heavy handed to some. But honestly, they did it in such a Star Trek way that I felt it was a hopeful message that worked.

I’m looking forward to this one now. It certainly helps wash the taste of Picard out of my mouth.
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I liked the premiere a lot. To dissect it I'd need to view it again and I'm not sure if I will. But it's very cinematic (in a good way, for a premiere). The characters seem interesting and worthy of development, specifically the secondary ones (in contrast to Discovery).

The Enterprise sets are visually interesting and have a familiarity without triggering a "That's not my Enterprise!" reaction. When I saw the engine room the first thing it reminded me of was The Motion Picture, which I thought was really cool. The theme music was unexpected, but I think I like it.
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I liked the part of the opening that revealed the narration to be from the aliens' perspective. That kept it from being trite.

I think it's cool they broke down how the alien disguises worked. I don't know if it was necessary or who it was for, but it was still neat to see. I think there might have been more of this in the episode but I can't recall... really getting into the mechanics of the universe.

I don't know if the story was actually good, or if it just pulled off feeling like classic Trek. (There wasn't a lot of time for the alien part of the plot either considering half the show is getting out of spacedock.) I'd have to watch it again. I'm a little concerned it's the latter, and we're ultimately headed in the same (but slightly different) direction as Discovery and Picard in terms of appeals to emotion, frustrating writing etc. There are just too many of the same people involved behind the scenes. And I know that's alarmist, but the best I can be is cautiously optimistic--it's only been one episode. The story was evidently meant as more of an introduction. (I know some of you are on board with Discovery and I accept that--we've talked that one out. There are parts I enjoy about the series but I just can't like it.)

Can I accept this as the third version of TOS? I don't know. I'm willing to give Peck time to grow on me as Spock. In general the show feels reference-heavy, they're just better than the ones in the Kelvin movies. I hope it does its own thing as much as possible without falling into a pattern of being the anti-show (e.g. episodic, optimistic, etc.)

The question remains who the show is being written for. And I think the problematic answer is probably "everyone". But I'll be sticking around.

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Sudy wrote: Sat May 07, 2022 1:19 am
The question remains who the show is being written for. And I think the problematic answer is probably "everyone".


Better than “no one”. :wink:

I think they learned their lessons from the first season of Discovery and are incorporating more of the classic Trek approach found in the last few seasons of that flagship show. Which is good because Discovery has become a pretty darn good show in seasons 3 and 4.
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hepcat wrote: Thu Mar 17, 2022 8:48 pm
Rumpy wrote: Thu Mar 17, 2022 4:13 pm Heh, good one, Hep! Took me a sec, but I got it :D
They have ships that travel faster than light, but the best they could do for Pike was a friggin’ chair with a goddamn light on it that blinked once for yes and twice for no?

I think the idea is that Pike's brain is so far beyond contact that only binary answers are possible.

I mean, if they gave him a keyboard he could actually manage, the Fanfic would be Insufferable. (This is canon.)
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