Crew member fatally shot on set of Alec Baldwin movie

coopasonic · Post by **coopasonic** » Fri Dec 03, 2021 1:11 pm

Blackhawk wrote: ↑Fri Dec 03, 2021 12:20 pm
Carpet_pissr wrote: ↑Fri Dec 03, 2021 11:55 am Is this rare or weird or hard to explain enough to consider…nastier explanations?

Certainly not my first thought, or even 21st, about this, but Baldwin has made some pretty powerful enemies…one in particular who apparently hates being mocked or made fun of more than anything else.
I have no idea who you're referring to. I don't follow celebrities or celebrity drama.

For the record, Baldwin has spent a lot of time on SNL over the past 4-ish years impersonating a certain very powerful personality we talked a lot about in R&P.

But yeah, total tinfoil hat idea. (not sarcasm)

stimpy · Post by **stimpy** » Fri Dec 03, 2021 1:22 pm

Please be careful bringing up anything that is discussed in R&P in a thread outside of R&P, lest LawBoy slap your hand.

Daehawk · Post by **Daehawk** » Fri Dec 03, 2021 2:13 pm

stimpy wrote: ↑Fri Dec 03, 2021 12:14 pm Bo Duke has spoken

"Three weeks ago, it was a prop gun. Four weeks ago, nobody knew how in the world this real weapon was loaded on the set," Schneider said. "Today, he didn't pull the trigger."

I loved his show. He was my favorite character. I loved the guy and watched all his videos from the last few years. Then he is a hard "you cant inject me or make me wear a mask its a freedom thing guy. So I dont watch or listen to him any longer. Shame. Wish he'd kept quiet.

McNutt · Post by **McNutt** » Fri Dec 03, 2021 2:17 pm

Yeah, I'm not sure why he needed to interject himself here and badmouth another actor. Did he think we were all wondering what John Schneider's take would be?

Up next, Adam Rich weighs in.

stimpy · Post by **stimpy** » Fri Dec 03, 2021 2:21 pm

McNutt wrote: ↑Fri Dec 03, 2021 2:17 pm Up next, Adam Rich weighs in.

yep.....had to Google that one.......

Daehawk · Post by **Daehawk** » Fri Dec 03, 2021 2:55 pm

Id like to hear Rich Little weigh in using Richard Nixon's voice.

Max Peck · Post by **Max Peck** » Fri Dec 03, 2021 5:42 pm

McNutt wrote: ↑Fri Dec 03, 2021 2:17 pm Yeah, I'm not sure why he needed to interject himself here and badmouth another actor. Did he think we were all wondering what John Schneider's take would be?

The internet tells me that Schneider is an avid Trump supporter.

I have a theory about why he feels the need to unload on Baldwin...

LawBeefaroni · Post by **LawBeefaroni** » Wed Feb 16, 2022 1:28 pm

Hutchins' family/lawyers released an animated reenactment of the fatal shooting. No idea how accurate it is but the statements are pretty damning if true.

https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-a ... f698590000

They claim that the crew pretty much blew off a ton of standard safety protocols. If the part about the line-up is true, that they were shooting a lineup to set stage marks and camera angles with zero filming actually being done, there was no reason for Baldwin to even have the prop gun. They should have been using a blue gun or rubber gun.

stimpy · Post by **stimpy** » Wed Feb 16, 2022 1:49 pm

The Chinese do reenactments much better.

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Wed Feb 16, 2022 1:59 pm

LawBeefaroni wrote: ↑Wed Feb 16, 2022 1:28 pm If the part about the line-up is true, that they were shooting a lineup to set stage marks and camera angles with zero filming actually being done, there was no reason for Baldwin to even have the prop gun.

In this, I listen to what Baldwin was saying. He seemed to indicate they were trying to visualize the hammer action on the revolver - hard to do with anything but what'd be filmed. That doesn't change that there was absolutely no reason for rounds of any type in the cylinder.

hepcat · Post by **hepcat** » Wed Feb 16, 2022 2:01 pm

Do I see a villain in this? No. Do I see carelessness and laziness? Yes.

Blackhawk · Post by **Blackhawk** » Wed Feb 16, 2022 2:05 pm

hepcat wrote: ↑Wed Feb 16, 2022 2:01 pm Do I see a villain in this? No. Do I see carelessness and laziness? Yes.

When the first accidental discharge occurred, and when that letter was written, and nothing occurred... somebody became a villain. I'm not sure who, but somebody was told this was unsafe and continued with it.

hepcat · Post by **hepcat** » Wed Feb 16, 2022 2:13 pm

If their intent was to harm someone, yes. But that's not what I believe is the case. So no, no villain. Just careless and lazy people.

Blackhawk · Post by **Blackhawk** » Wed Feb 16, 2022 2:16 pm

Drunk drivers don't intend to harm someone. They intend to do something that they know has a good chance of harming someone. That doesn't mean a drunk driver who kills someone is just being lazy and careless.

hepcat · Post by **hepcat** » Wed Feb 16, 2022 2:18 pm

I'm loathe to start branding everyone who makes a stupid, careless mistake that results in someone's unintentional death a villain. We have enough real villains in this world that we don't need to broaden the definition. Do with that what you will.

Jaymon · Post by **Jaymon** » Wed Feb 16, 2022 2:32 pm

Negligent actions that resulted in death, followed by a lack of personal accountability for those actions.

hepcat · Post by **hepcat** » Wed Feb 16, 2022 2:45 pm

You trivialize real villains when you extract intent from the equation.

LawBeefaroni · Post by **LawBeefaroni** » Wed Feb 16, 2022 2:59 pm

hepcat wrote: ↑Wed Feb 16, 2022 2:45 pm You trivialize real villains when you extract intent from the equation.

Sacrificing safety for profit motive is intentional. If what they're saying is true, that the production cut corners to same time and money, that's an intentional decision.

I'm not going to get pedantic about the word "villian" but certainly putting lives in unnecessary risk to save/make money is a bad thing.

hepcat · Post by **hepcat** » Wed Feb 16, 2022 3:03 pm

LawBeefaroni wrote: ↑Wed Feb 16, 2022 2:59 pm I'm not going to get pedantic about the word "villian" but certainly putting lives in unnecessary risk to save/make money is a bad thing.

Uh....

LawBeefaroni · Post by **LawBeefaroni** » Wed Feb 16, 2022 3:26 pm

Er, "villain."

hepcat · Post by **hepcat** » Wed Feb 16, 2022 3:35 pm

LawBeefaroni wrote: ↑Wed Feb 16, 2022 3:26 pm Er, "villain."

Actually I was teasing you for saying you weren't going to get pedantic.

Considering my bad record with typing on mobile devices, I am the LAST person who should be making fun of typos.

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Wed Feb 16, 2022 3:36 pm

What's less pedantic about words than misspelling them?

hepcat · Post by **hepcat** » Wed Feb 16, 2022 3:46 pm

Max Peck · Post by **Max Peck** » Wed Feb 16, 2022 3:58 pm

Isgrimnur wrote: ↑Wed Feb 16, 2022 3:36 pm What's less pedantic about words than misspelling them?

Max Peck · Post by **Max Peck** » Wed Oct 05, 2022 9:42 pm

Huh. I figured the project would be shuttered permanently.

Alec Baldwin reaches settlement over Halyna Hutchins shooting on Rust set

Alec Baldwin has reached a settlement with the family of cinematographer Halyna Hutchins, after she was killed on a film set when he fired a prop gun.

Filming of Rust will continue in January, with Ms Hutchins' widower Matthew on board as the movie's executive producer.

All parties believe Ms Hutchins' death was an accident, her husband said.

A lawsuit filed against Mr Baldwin, producers and others, had alleged violations of industry standards.

The exact terms of the settlement, which is subject to court approval, have not been disclosed.

Brian · Post by **Brian** » Thu Jan 19, 2023 12:27 pm

Charges brought.

Alec Baldwin will be charged in the fatal on-set shooting of “Rust” cinematographer Halyna Hutchins.
The actor and armorer Hannah Gutierrez-Reed each face two counts of involuntary manslaughter.
If convicted, Baldwin and the movie’s armorer, Hannah Gutierrez-Reed, could face five years in prison.

jztemple2 · Post by **jztemple2** » Fri Jan 20, 2023 12:28 am

Brian wrote: ↑Thu Jan 19, 2023 12:27 pm Charges brought.

Alec Baldwin will be charged in the fatal on-set shooting of “Rust” cinematographer Halyna Hutchins.
The actor and armorer Hannah Gutierrez-Reed each face two counts of involuntary manslaughter.
If convicted, Baldwin and the movie’s armorer, Hannah Gutierrez-Reed, could face five years in prison.

I'm glad to hear about this. Saying it was "just an accident" is nonsense. I still haven't heard if they figured out how live ammo was even on the set, much less in the gun.

dbt1949 · Post by **dbt1949** » Fri Jan 20, 2023 12:51 am

Pointing a gun and pulling the trigger at someone is the most stupid thing you can do. Except for saying he didn't pull the trigger which is even more stupid.

Alefroth · Post by **Alefroth** » Fri Jan 20, 2023 1:00 am

dbt1949 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 20, 2023 12:51 am Pointing a gun and pulling the trigger at someone is the most stupid thing you can do. Except for saying he didn't pull the trigger which is even more stupid.

It doesn't sound like you are familiar with the situation.

dbt1949 · Post by **dbt1949** » Fri Jan 20, 2023 1:53 am

I have read the articles about the situation.
What is wrong with my statement? He pointed a gun at a person and pulled the trigger. Whether he knew the gun was loaded or not is immaterial. And are you saying you believe he didn't pull the trigger?

Daehawk · Post by **Daehawk** » Fri Jan 20, 2023 2:15 am

jztemple2 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 20, 2023 12:28 am
Brian wrote: ↑Thu Jan 19, 2023 12:27 pm Charges brought.

Alec Baldwin will be charged in the fatal on-set shooting of “Rust” cinematographer Halyna Hutchins.
The actor and armorer Hannah Gutierrez-Reed each face two counts of involuntary manslaughter.
If convicted, Baldwin and the movie’s armorer, Hannah Gutierrez-Reed, could face five years in prison.

I'm glad to hear about this. Saying it was "just an accident" is nonsense. I still haven't heard if they figured out how live ammo was even on the set, much less in the gun.

I think they said the crew were taking the guns plinking after hours and returning them to the set. The live bullet was left in one. Total lack of smarts on the one who was in charge of the firearms, lack of brains on those crew members, lack of security on set, and lack of any smartness on Alec's side.

Blackhawk · Post by **Blackhawk** » Fri Jan 20, 2023 3:08 am

dbt1949 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 20, 2023 1:53 am I have read the articles about the situation.
What is wrong with my statement? He pointed a gun at a person and pulled the trigger. Whether he knew the gun was loaded or not is immaterial. And are you saying you believe he didn't pull the trigger?

Pointing guns at people on movie sets is pretty common (although they commonly use tricks to avoid it.)

dbt1949 · Post by **dbt1949** » Fri Jan 20, 2023 8:48 am

I also gather that he wasn't rehearsing or shooting scene.

Max Peck · Post by **Max Peck** » Fri Jan 20, 2023 10:17 am

They were rehearsing, but not actually shooting a scene IIRC.

LawBeefaroni · Post by **LawBeefaroni** » Fri Jan 20, 2023 10:56 am

I don't know all the details but from what I understand, there was negligence and shortcuts taken. Wouldn't have happened if industry standards were followed.

Guns don't go off by accident. They go off either by intent or negligence.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Fri Jan 20, 2023 10:59 am

dbt1949 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 20, 2023 12:51 am Pointing a gun and pulling the trigger at someone is the most stupid thing you can do. Except for saying he didn't pull the trigger which is even more stupid.

It was a movie scene. He was pointing the gun 'into the camera' for a cinematographic shot. You've seen this (from the other perspective) half a million times in the movies.

I think it's totally wrong that he is being charged with involuntary manslaughter. Unbelievable.

Max Peck · Post by **Max Peck** » Fri Jan 20, 2023 11:09 am

Baldwin's wiggle room with a jury probably lies in whether they accept the argument that he should have been able to trust his staff when they handed him the weapon and told him that it was safe. I'm not seeing how the armourer has any outs at all, and I'm a little surprised that the assistant director who allegedly physically handed the weapon to Baldwin and told him it was safe hasn't been charged as well, since it was supposedly part of his job to double-check that it was safe to handle.

LawBeefaroni · Post by **LawBeefaroni** » Fri Jan 20, 2023 11:17 am

Max Peck wrote: ↑Fri Jan 20, 2023 11:09 am ...and I'm a little surprised that the assistant director who allegedly physically handed the weapon to Baldwin and told him it was safe hasn't been charged as well, since it was supposedly part of his job to double-check that it was safe to handle.

He agreed to a plea deal.

Halls, who handed the gun to Alec Baldwin before the fatal shooting, signed a plea agreement “for the charge of negligent use of a deadly weapon,” the district attorney’s office announced Thursday. Prosecutors said the terms of that deal include six months of probation and a suspended sentence.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Fri Jan 20, 2023 11:22 am

Max Peck wrote: ↑Fri Jan 20, 2023 11:09 am Baldwin's wiggle room with a jury probably lies in whether they accept the argument that he should have been able to trust his staff when they handed him the weapon and told him that it was safe. I'm not seeing how the armourer has any outs at all, and I'm a little surprised that the assistant director who allegedly physically handed the weapon to Baldwin and told him it was safe hasn't been charged as well, since it was supposedly part of his job to double-check that it was safe to handle.

Yeah, from my understanding - it's basically everyone but the final actor's responsibility to check the gun.

jztemple2 · Post by **jztemple2** » Fri Jan 20, 2023 11:33 am

Unagi wrote: ↑Fri Jan 20, 2023 11:22 am
Max Peck wrote: ↑Fri Jan 20, 2023 11:09 am Baldwin's wiggle room with a jury probably lies in whether they accept the argument that he should have been able to trust his staff when they handed him the weapon and told him that it was safe. I'm not seeing how the armourer has any outs at all, and I'm a little surprised that the assistant director who allegedly physically handed the weapon to Baldwin and told him it was safe hasn't been charged as well, since it was supposedly part of his job to double-check that it was safe to handle.
Yeah, from my understanding - it's basically everyone but the final actor's responsibility to check the gun.

I kind of agree with you on this. I don't know how they can charge Baldwin, but because they are I suspect there is more information out there. I do agree that it was the set armorer's responsibility to make sure the gun was safe.