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malchior wrote: Sun May 28, 2023 8:56 am And I still believe all their "blind spots" to be wholly intentional. Measurement drives action.
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I do believe this goes here:
Moms for Liberty, the far-right parental group known for protesting at school board meetings, has been identified by the Southern Poverty Law Center as a "hate group" for the first time ever.

Moms for Liberty, which recently said it knows liberal groups are spying on its activities because it's doing the same thing to them, is among 12 parental groups added to the SPLC's list of hate groups, according to USA Today.

"The Southern Poverty Law Center is for the first time labeling Florida-headquartered Moms for Liberty and 11 other right-wing 'parents' rights' groups as extremist groups in its annual report, released today," USA Today wrote.
While they might not be violent, they are domestic and they're most certainly extreme.
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News video on them

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It feels like maybe this should be something the FBI is looking into? Or am I being ridiculous and having a sitting member of Congress tell his followers to "prepare" using military slang is just freedom of speech?


President Trump said he has "been summoned to appear at the Federal Courthouse in Miami on Tuesday, at 3 PM."

This is a perimeter probe from the oppressors. Hold. rPOTUS has this.

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I am mercifully out of the loop. I know POTUS, but what is rPOTUS?
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The "real" President, aka Trump.
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Smoove_B wrote: Fri Jun 09, 2023 1:28 pm The "real" President, aka Trump.
Ah. I really should have been able to figure that out on my own - guess my tinfoil hat wasn't tied on well enough.
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stessier wrote: Fri Jun 09, 2023 1:27 pm I am mercifully out of the loop. I know POTUS, but what is rPOTUS?
Here's the full translation:


Perimeter probe = the opposing side is looking at what you are doing.

Buckle up = gear up

Rock steady = man up

1/50 = mapping scaling description for terrain and distance (where are assets like bridges)
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So is this dim bulb suggesting that Nihilist Rednecks storm the courthouse where Florida Man is on trial? Would love to see DeSantis have to call out the National Guard to defend.
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That translation seems a bit off to me on a few points, but I don’t claim to speak ‘seething sociopath’.
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Right. My read is he is saying protect yourselves and don't let them provoke you (being his audience) into acting. He is implying this is a deep state trap. Which is a common 1/6 refrain. Some of the QAnon people think that "they" tricked people into entering the Capital to be able to arrest them. That's fucking preposterous but these people are double plus stupid. He is saying let Trump deal with this because he's got it. Of course, Trump hasn't got it. He is a fucking moron but I think it means the opposite of what people are reading into it.
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"Stand back and stand by"
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Feels like somebody needs a visit and maybe a time out.


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Christofascists, man.
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It's a honey trap. What better way to round up and prosecute the hardcore Nihilist Rednecks?
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Fuck. I have the same hat. I thought fishing would be safe.

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“…if Trump gets indoctrinated…” :roll:
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Carpet_pissr wrote: Mon Jun 12, 2023 5:21 pm “…if Trump gets indoctrinated…” :roll:
Also, "I was a federal agent for 19 years..." Couldn't hold on one more year for that FERS pension?

"They told us to refrain ourselves...."


But you don't have to be smart to be dangerous. That guy is probably dangerous.
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LawBeefaroni wrote: Mon Jun 12, 2023 7:47 pm
Carpet_pissr wrote: Mon Jun 12, 2023 5:21 pm “…if Trump gets indoctrinated…” :roll:
Also, "I was a federal agent for 19 years..." Couldn't hold on one more year for that FERS pension?

"They told us to refrain ourselves...."


But you don't have to be smart to be dangerous. That guy is probably dangerous.
I think he's deluded. He thinks he's going to war against Antifa and Kamala. He's going to be going up against law enforcement and, if it's anything like Jan 6, the FBI.
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raydude wrote: Mon Jun 12, 2023 8:35 pm
LawBeefaroni wrote: Mon Jun 12, 2023 7:47 pm
Carpet_pissr wrote: Mon Jun 12, 2023 5:21 pm “…if Trump gets indoctrinated…” :roll:
Also, "I was a federal agent for 19 years..." Couldn't hold on one more year for that FERS pension?

"They told us to refrain ourselves...."


But you don't have to be smart to be dangerous. That guy is probably dangerous.
I think he's deluded. He thinks he's going to war against Antifa and Kamala. He's going to be going up against law enforcement and, if it's anything like Jan 6, the FBI.
Still dangerous.


The FBI isn't really a preventive or policing agency. It's mostly investigative with some intervention. But yeah, he'll be going up against a lot of law enforcement. Which, if it's anything like Jan 6, he probably welcomes.
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LawBeefaroni wrote: Mon Jun 12, 2023 7:47 pm
Carpet_pissr wrote: Mon Jun 12, 2023 5:21 pm “…if Trump gets indoctrinated…” :roll:
Also, "I was a federal agent for 19 years..." Couldn't hold on one more year for that FERS pension?

"They told us to refrain ourselves...."


But you don't have to be smart to be dangerous. That guy is probably dangerous.
This could easily be turned into a In Living Color or Key and Peele sketch, but centered around “white mispronunciation”.
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This is pretty serious:



At least he has added to the charges he will be facing. Should be going away for awhile after trial.
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Yeah, yikes. Very scary times at the moment, am I the only one just waiting for something really nuclear to go down from all this pent up and trumped up anger?
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Canadian police say an attack on a university class examining gender studies was ideologically motivated and targeted due to the suspect’s animus towards the transgender community.

On Wednesday, a 24-year-old man walked into a Philosophy 202 class at Waterloo University in Ontario and stabbed three people, including the class professor.
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A 38-year-old female professor, and two students — a 20-year-old woman and 19-year-old man—were transported to hospitals where they were treated for stab wounds described as “serious but not life-threatening” by Waterloo Police.

Geovanny Villalba-Aleman, a recent graduate of the university, was arrested shortly after the attack and has since been charged.
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Follow up:



Obama’s address was tweeted by Trump.
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Those people live in the Bizarro universe. See how their writing is all backwards? Definite giveaway.
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Yes, but was the van near a river?
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I know there was a holiday coming up but this event got a collective shrug from the media. It's crazy how badly the media is failing us as extremism and violence has become entwined in normalized Presidential politics.
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Yeah the threat of violence isn't big news - only actual violence. And even that doesn't seem to be making headlines anymore; we're collectively numb.
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Part of it is numbness but the media is not accurately describing the scale of events. Yes they all published a story about what happened but then they just...stopped. No real discussion about how the tactics Trump is using are not being addressed, how law enforcement is not doing anything to prevent it, the media isn't contextualizing it, and finally the absolutely useless Democrats aren't raising the issue either. The approach appears to be stick a head in the sand and hope it goes away.
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Smoove_B wrote: Thu Jul 06, 2023 9:39 am Yeah the threat of violence isn't big news - only actual violence. And even that doesn't seem to be making headlines anymore; we're collectively numb.
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LawBeefaroni wrote:
raydude wrote: Mon Jun 12, 2023 8:35 pm
LawBeefaroni wrote: Mon Jun 12, 2023 7:47 pm
Carpet_pissr wrote: Mon Jun 12, 2023 5:21 pm “…if Trump gets indoctrinated…” :roll:
Also, "I was a federal agent for 19 years..." Couldn't hold on one more year for that FERS pension?

"They told us to refrain ourselves...."


But you don't have to be smart to be dangerous. That guy is probably dangerous.
I think he's deluded. He thinks he's going to war against Antifa and Kamala. He's going to be going up against law enforcement and, if it's anything like Jan 6, the FBI.
Still dangerous.


The FBI isn't really a preventive or policing agency. It's mostly investigative with some intervention. But yeah, he'll be going up against a lot of law enforcement. Which, if it's anything like Jan 6, he probably welcomes.
The shift to a mission of counterterrorism belies this. See 702 abuse.

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I am just for the first time learning about what they're doing in Canada:


IMVE is a threat comprised of ideologies fuelled by extreme views around race, gender and authority. It thrives on division and festers in the online space.

Currently, 50% of CSIS’s counter-terrorism resources are dedicated to investigating the complex IMVE threat.
And I just grabbed a quick document from 2021 that is focused on a specific element, but gives a broad overview of what they're trying to accomplish.

Why does this feel more...proactive than what we're doing?
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Smoove_B wrote: Thu Jul 06, 2023 12:05 pm Why does this feel more...proactive than what we're doing?
A stern look and a finger-shaking is more proactive than what we're doing.
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Grifman wrote: Thu Jun 29, 2023 11:30 pm Obama’s address was tweeted by Trump.
Even better observation:


Trump attacks CNN. Cesar Sayoc sends pipe bombs to CNN.

Trump attacks BLM. Kyle Rittenhouse kills two BLM protesters.

Trump attacks Michigan governor. Men try to kidnap her.

Trump posts Obama’s address on Truth Social. Man arrested near Obama’s home.
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Trump attack's Ukraine's President...
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White supremacist kills 3 on 60th anniversary of Dr. King's march to Washington and leaves behind white supremacist manifesto in suicide plot
In the span of 11 terrifying minutes, a gunman targeting Black people killed two shoppers and an employee at a Dollar General store in Jacksonville, Fla., a rampage that the authorities are investigating as a hate crime and that has reverberated through a community that has long coped with the legacy of racism.

The shooting on Saturday, on the same day that the nation commemorated the 60th anniversary of the March on Washington, prompted somber vigils and renewed vows for unity from residents and officials, but also a tense appearance by the governor in a city that in recent years has dealt with a series of hateful incidents and a continuing dispute over Confederate monuments.

“We have three people who are dead because they are Black,” State Senator Tracie Davis, a Jacksonville Democrat, said at a vigil on Sunday morning. “Shopping. In our community. Gunned down. Because they were Black.”


DOJ Statement
The Justice Department issued the following statement from Attorney General Merrick B. Garland following yesterday’s shooting in Jacksonville, Florida:

“Yesterday in Jacksonville, Florida, three people were killed in a horrific act of hate. In the wake of the mass shooting, FBI and ATF agents responded to the scene and are continuing to work closely with local law enforcement on the ground. The Justice Department is investigating this attack as a hate crime and an act of racially-motivated violent extremism. The entire Justice Department extends its deepest condolences to the loved ones of the victims and to the Jacksonville community as they mourn an unimaginable loss.

No person in this country should have to live in fear of hate-fueled violence and no family should have to grieve the loss of a loved one to bigotry and hate. One of the Justice Department’s first priorities upon its founding in 1870 was to bring to justice white supremacists who used violence to terrorize Black Americans. That remains our urgent charge today. The Justice Department will never stop working to protect everyone in our country from unlawful acts of hate.”

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The Justice Department is investigating the attack as a hate crime and an act of racially motivated violent extremism. In March, the F.B.I. released an analysis of hate crime incidents in 2021 — the last year data was fully available — which said that hate crimes overall had increased by more than 11 percent since 2020. According to the data, anti-Black hate crimes made up the largest “bias incident category,” with 31 percent of all single-bias incidents in 2021.
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One can easily see why the GOP has no use for the DOJ.
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He tried to get on campus at Edward Waters University (an HBU) but was stopped and denied entry by security. He then went on to commit the murders at Dollar General. What he did was bad enough but it could have been even worse.


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The gunman, identified as 21-year-old Ryan Christopher Palmeter, bought a handgun in April and an AR-15-style rifle in June, the sheriff said. He lived with his parents in nearby Orange Park and had no criminal arrest history, although he had been temporarily involuntarily held under the Baker Act in 2017, the sheriff said.

“In this situation, there was nothing illegal about him owning the firearms,” he said.
But good to see they're banning "CRT" down there in Florida.
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