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hepcat wrote: Wed Feb 15, 2023 10:04 pm Man, I’m really looking forward to the vicious fight to come. Trump is going to burn the GOP to the ground if they don’t fall into line for him.

In other words, Christmas is coming again.
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hepcat wrote: Wed Feb 15, 2023 10:04 pm Man, I’m really looking forward to the vicious fight to come. Trump is going to burn the GOP to the ground if they don’t fall into line for him.

In other words, Christmas is coming again.
He burnt them to the ground in 2016 and they got in line and became much worse for the nation and for my neighborhood and state (and family ferchrissake). I don't know what happens in 2024 but I have no faith things will get better with further exposing and dismantling of the GOP anymore. I've been wrong about their dismantling to date underestimating how so many can be so horrible and/or so easily misled or at "the best case" so willing to look away from the big picture in favor of their pet project.

I suppose there's still hope that this the storm before the calm.
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Credit? He'll wag his finger but when the time comes, he'll line up and support whatever POS the GOP nominates, guaranteed - unless he's not seeking re-election in 2024.
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Smoove_B wrote: Tue Feb 21, 2023 5:50 pm Credit? He'll wag his finger but when the time comes, he'll line up and support whatever POS the GOP nominates, guaranteed - unless he's not seeking re-election in 2024.
Guaranteed? No. If it's Trump, there's zero chance Romney supports him in 2024. Romney will be going for re-election in a state that likes him more than Trump, after all.
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pr0ner wrote: Wed Feb 22, 2023 1:03 pm
Smoove_B wrote: Tue Feb 21, 2023 5:50 pm Credit? He'll wag his finger but when the time comes, he'll line up and support whatever POS the GOP nominates, guaranteed - unless he's not seeking re-election in 2024.
Guaranteed? No. If it's Trump, there's zero chance Romney supports him in 2024. Romney will be going for re-election in a state that likes him more than Trump, after all.
Mitt consistently bends with the prevailing wind. Even if he's recently grown a spine, it will be a flexible one.
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Kraken wrote: Wed Feb 22, 2023 3:05 pm
pr0ner wrote: Wed Feb 22, 2023 1:03 pm
Smoove_B wrote: Tue Feb 21, 2023 5:50 pm Credit? He'll wag his finger but when the time comes, he'll line up and support whatever POS the GOP nominates, guaranteed - unless he's not seeking re-election in 2024.
Guaranteed? No. If it's Trump, there's zero chance Romney supports him in 2024. Romney will be going for re-election in a state that likes him more than Trump, after all.
Mitt consistently bends with the prevailing wind. Even if he's recently grown a spine, it will be a flexible one.
I don't think it's flexible to where he'll support Trump in 2024 after not doing so in 2020 AND voting to remove him from office *twice*.
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It is in Mitt’s self interest for Trump to lose. A re-elected Trump would seek revenge on him and try to force Romney out of the GOP.
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Zarathud wrote: Wed Feb 22, 2023 9:34 pm It is in Mitt’s self interest for Trump to lose. A re-elected Trump would seek revenge on him and try to force Romney out of the GOP.
Trump loves to collect former foes who then bend the knee, though, and would happily accept Romney as a toadie if Romney was willing to do that.
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El Guapo wrote: Wed Feb 22, 2023 11:48 pm
Zarathud wrote: Wed Feb 22, 2023 9:34 pm It is in Mitt’s self interest for Trump to lose. A re-elected Trump would seek revenge on him and try to force Romney out of the GOP.
Trump loves to collect former foes who then bend the knee, though, and would happily accept Romney as a toadie if Romney was willing to do that.
Yep. See: Lindsey Fucking Graham
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El Guapo wrote: Wed Feb 22, 2023 11:48 pm
Zarathud wrote: Wed Feb 22, 2023 9:34 pm It is in Mitt’s self interest for Trump to lose. A re-elected Trump would seek revenge on him and try to force Romney out of the GOP.
Trump loves to collect former foes who then bend the knee, though, and would happily accept Romney as a toadie if Romney was willing to do that.
I don't think Mitt has national ambitions beyond the Senate, so he'll say and do whatever pleases the most Utahns.
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El Guapo wrote: Wed Feb 22, 2023 11:48 pm
Zarathud wrote: Wed Feb 22, 2023 9:34 pm It is in Mitt’s self interest for Trump to lose. A re-elected Trump would seek revenge on him and try to force Romney out of the GOP.
Trump loves to collect former foes who then bend the knee, though, and would happily accept Romney as a toadie if Romney was willing to do that.
Didn't that already happen once, even becoming a meme, and didn't Romney turn against him again but even harder? Romney blew with the wind and I actually think didn't like how that turned out. It remains to be seen if he can be convinced to blow Trump again, but I would place small amounts of money that he won't. He's never looked back since Jan 6.
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LordMortis wrote: Thu Feb 23, 2023 7:21 am
El Guapo wrote: Wed Feb 22, 2023 11:48 pm
Zarathud wrote: Wed Feb 22, 2023 9:34 pm It is in Mitt’s self interest for Trump to lose. A re-elected Trump would seek revenge on him and try to force Romney out of the GOP.
Trump loves to collect former foes who then bend the knee, though, and would happily accept Romney as a toadie if Romney was willing to do that.
Didn't that already happen once, even becoming a meme, and didn't Romney turn against him again but even harder? Romney blew with the wind and I actually think didn't like how that turned out. It remains to be seen if he can be convinced to blow Trump again, but I would place small amounts of money that he won't. He's never looked back since Jan 6.
You're probably thinking of the famous photo of Trump and Romney when they had dinner together in early 2017 when Romney was reportedly under consideration for Secretary of State, where Romney was looking like a hostage victim. FWIW I don't really blame Romney for considering that (if that was ever truly on the table) especially at that time when Trump was at least semi-willing to listen to non-Trump advisers. But I don't recall Romney ever going full toadie a la Graham.

Romney's sort of unique in his ability to be an anti-Trump Republican and be electorally viable in Republican circles, I think due to his pre-Trump stature and due to Utah being a relatively unique Republican state.
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Romney is also 75 and very rich. He doesn't really have to worry about his future career prospects.
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They'll fall in line when they need to. They usually do.
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I like Nikki Haley's name.
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Very porn star.

Well, maybe not the heavy stuff. Is “tease only” star a thing? Maybe half a porn star.
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I think what this comes down to is that Desantis is going to have to run a *perfect* campaign to beat Trump.

Trump is a known quality. His flaws and stupidity and assholery are baked in. There aren't many scandals that could dent his support among the faithful. After all, they all already know he tried to overthrow the Republic, and they love him for it.

Desantis, though, needs to promise everything Trump promised (including all the hate and the lib-ownage), but he has to do it without a misstep than would make him look weaker or less MAGA than Trump. At the same time, he has to seem reasonable (i.e. *not* batshit MAGA) enough to persuade Trump-averse conservatives to come home to him.

I'm not sure that math checks out.
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Also, and I'll keep banging on the lack of charisma drum. I don't think many folks have actually listened to DeSantis talk more than 5 minutes. I think anyone who has will quickly come to understand he has almost no shot at widespread mainstream appeal. I actually think his over the top fascist policy making is compensation in the hope that policy will overcome this fundamental flaw. It is very close to listening to Ted Cruz speak. He has a substantial negative charisma modifier.
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Carpet_pissr wrote: Mon Feb 27, 2023 6:40 pm Very porn star.

Well, maybe not the heavy stuff. Is “tease only” star a thing? Maybe half a porn star.
Stripper?

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Carpet_pissr wrote: Mon Feb 27, 2023 6:40 pm Very porn star.

Well, maybe not the heavy stuff. Is “tease only” star a thing? Maybe half a porn star.
Let's go with porn comet.
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My dudes, characterizing female politicians as sex workers is just not a good look.
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He's right, you know.
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Let's be fair here. I very specifically said that I liked the name Nikki Haley.

How that turns into 'characterizing female politicians as sex workers' is a little excessive.
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Holman wrote:My dudes, characterizing female politicians as sex workers is just not a good look.
Concur
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Unagi wrote:Let's be fair here. I very specifically said that I liked the name Nikki Haley.

How that turns into 'characterizing female politicians as sex workers' is a little excessive.
You didn't.
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To be clear, my comment was solely based on the spelling (and a bit the name: Nikki with two ‘k’s’).

Has nothing to do with gender. If the person in question was a male named ‘Ron Geronimo’ I would have made the same comment.
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Carpet_pissr wrote:To be clear, my comment was solely based on the spelling (and a bit the name: Nikki with two ‘k’s’).

Has nothing to do with gender. If the person in question was a male named ‘Ron Geronimo’ I would have made the same comment.
Her parents are Indian. Her birth name is Nimarata.
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Well aware, she was my governor. I’ve even met her.

Fine: Ron Jerreminy
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Holman wrote: Mon Feb 27, 2023 9:04 pm My dudes, characterizing female politicians as sex workers is just not a good look.
Perhaps, but the conversation was about her name, not the person herself. I think this distinction matters.

edit: Yes. Agreed.
Unagi wrote: Tue Feb 28, 2023 9:37 am Let's be fair here. I very specifically said that I liked the name Nikki Haley.
edit: Ok, not Unagi, still, the quote below is a direct response on Unagi's comment.
Carpet_pissr wrote: Mon Feb 27, 2023 6:40 pm Very porn star.
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noxiousdog wrote: Tue Feb 28, 2023 4:52 pm
Carpet_pissr wrote:To be clear, my comment was solely based on the spelling (and a bit the name: Nikki with two ‘k’s’).

Has nothing to do with gender. If the person in question was a male named ‘Ron Geronimo’ I would have made the same comment.
Her parents are Indian. Her birth name is Nimarata.
Her birth name is Nimarata Nikki Randhawa, to be accurate. She's apparently gone by her middle name since she was a kid.
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ImLawBoy wrote: Tue Feb 28, 2023 5:57 pm
noxiousdog wrote: Tue Feb 28, 2023 4:52 pm
Carpet_pissr wrote:To be clear, my comment was solely based on the spelling (and a bit the name: Nikki with two ‘k’s’).

Has nothing to do with gender. If the person in question was a male named ‘Ron Geronimo’ I would have made the same comment.
Her parents are Indian. Her birth name is Nimarata.
Her birth name is Nimarata Nikki Randhawa, to be accurate. She's apparently gone by her middle name since she was a kid.
Which is Punjabi:
But "Nikki" is Haley's legal middle name as it appears on her birth certificate, according to her 2018 tweet.
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While it's a common nickname for women named "Nichole" in the United States, "Nikki" is also a common Punjabi name, the region in India her parents migrated from.

In a tweet responding to implications she white-washed her name from activist Bree Newsome, Haley said "Nikki" means "little one" in Punjabi.

"Nikki" is often used "as a term of endearment for the youngest girl in a Sikh family," according to British-Indian writer Tunku Varadarajan, who wrote an opinion piece for The Wall Street Journal in 2020 about Haley's name controversy. Haley is the youngest girl in her family.
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ImLawBoy wrote: Tue Feb 28, 2023 5:57 pm Her birth name is Nimarata Nikki Randhawa, to be accurate.
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Trump says he will run even if indicted:

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Why wouldn't he? Who's going to stop him? It's been his single greatest accomplishment and given him a whole new level of protection that he didn't imagine was possible in his wildest of dreams.
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Yeah, that really isn’t all that shocking. If he’d said he was wrong about something, now that would be shocking.
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Yeah, if anything getting indicted would be *more* of an incentive to run. It would strengthen his inevitable judicial and political arguments about the impropriety of an administration indicting an opposition candidate for president, plus it gives him the promise of additional immunity if he should win and assume the presidency.
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I'm waiting for someone to make a transcript to post here since I heard part of his CPAC speech. It was unbelievably dangerous and unhinged. Based on this and other recent events I dare anyone to argue with a straight face that this nation is not in a failure state.

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