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I'm thinking about getting one of those 10,000 LUX light therapy things, just to see if it makes a difference. I wouldn't say I have SAD, but I do wonder if having a light blast in the morning as I get started might help speed up my routine.
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I have a desktop "Happy Light" that I use from late Nov thru mid March. I think it might help a little with my mood. It's subjective, and not a dramatic effect, so hard to say for sure.
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I am so ready for this time changing crap to be over.
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I just hate the change and darkness. But it doesn't seem to affect me physically.
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Jaymon wrote: Mon Nov 04, 2019 12:53 pm I am so ready for this time changing crap to be over.
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I'm ready for this time changing crap to be over. It's time for a change!
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one thing that has really made my life easier in the past year.

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wonderpug wrote: Mon Nov 04, 2019 2:27 pm
Jaymon wrote: Mon Nov 04, 2019 12:53 pm I am so ready for this time changing crap to be over.
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I'm ready for this time changing crap to be over. It's time for a change!
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coopasonic wrote: Mon Nov 04, 2019 2:33 pm
wonderpug wrote: Mon Nov 04, 2019 2:27 pm
Jaymon wrote: Mon Nov 04, 2019 12:53 pm I am so ready for this time changing crap to be over.
so
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I'm ready for this time changing crap to be over. It's time for a change!
I'm so confused.
No problem, To clear up confusion, go back in time by one hour, and read the paragraph again. Wait 4 months, then go forward in time by one hour.
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Jaymon wrote: Mon Nov 04, 2019 3:36 pm
coopasonic wrote: Mon Nov 04, 2019 2:33 pm
wonderpug wrote: Mon Nov 04, 2019 2:27 pm
Jaymon wrote: Mon Nov 04, 2019 12:53 pm I am so ready for this time changing crap to be over.
so
ready
I'm ready for this time changing crap to be over. It's time for a change!
I'm so confused.
No problem, To clear up confusion, go back in time by one hour, and read the paragraph again. Wait 4 months, then go forward in time by one hour.
If symptoms persist, repeat the instructions annually.
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Smoove_B wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2019 7:15 pm I'm thinking about getting one of those 10,000 LUX light therapy things, just to see if it makes a difference. I wouldn't say I have SAD, but I do wonder if having a light blast in the morning as I get started might help speed up my routine.
I have one at my desk at work. It's not for SAD (though I would say my mood gets worse in the winter). It's for exhaustion. I have a Sphere Gadget Technologies 10,000 LUX LED. My shrink of old said 30 minutes and you have to have it in your field of vision. So it sits just below my monitor. I started up about a month ago and will use it every week day until March. I have that, a CPAP, and Modafinil. But this tired season is in full force already and will be so until at least March. Getting old too early in life and still working sucks it.
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Smoove_B wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2019 7:15 pm I'm thinking about getting one of those 10,000 LUX light therapy things, just to see if it makes a difference. I wouldn't say I have SAD, but I do wonder if having a light blast in the morning as I get started might help speed up my routine.
I bit the bullet on a sunlight alarm clock about a year ago and I’ve really liked it. It really does seem to help me wake up more naturally, and the gradual 20 minute “sunrise” progression makes it so I don’t have to experience the shock of turning on a light switch in the morning. I either wake up from the light a few minutes before my designated alarm time, or from it making gradually louder bird chirping sounds at the alarm time.

I have a Philips model, and my only complaint is that the interface and button layout is really unintuitive. The actual light and sounds are great.
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I bought one of those. But seeing as I have years of training to avoid the lights from the bathroom or windows, all it does is add one more roll or pillow reposition to thwart it.
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Yeah, my wife uses one of those light lamp clocks and it works great for her. I have some type of genetic mutation or super power that lets me maintain full sleep in broad daylight and I don't even notice her clock lighting up our room like a discotheque at 5am every morning. Random Smoove_B trivia: if you're trying to get the drop on me, you can assume that from 4am - 7am I am functionally comatose.
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Skylight above the bed helps me wake up. Some overcast days I’ll be unable to wake.
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I sleep past sunrise, and I have large windows. After 16 years here, I've adapted. I'd either roll over (side/stomach sleeper) or just pull the blanket up to block it without even realizing I was doing so.
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If I wake and it's light out, I probably overslept. Since wife works nights, we have room-darkening drapes so it happens sometimes if I forget to open them before I go to bed. But I also have two alarm clocks to let me know when it's light out (my kids are also awake at the crack of dawn).
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Unless there is special circumstance, I wake up a few minutes before my alarm.Its very rare for my alarm to actually ring. Even after the time change, it only takes a couple days.
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Keep the useless darkness in the morning where it belongs and give us more evening light!
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gbasden wrote: Wed Nov 06, 2019 12:30 am Keep the useless darkness in the morning where it belongs and give us more evening light!
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Put the pesky brightness in the mornings when I can pull the blankets up over my eyes and give us earlier nightfall!
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Jaymon wrote: Tue Nov 05, 2019 6:01 pm Unless there is special circumstance, I wake up a few minutes before my alarm.Its very rare for my alarm to actually ring. Even after the time change, it only takes a couple days.
Its a curse. A dreadful dreadful curse.
I don't set an alarm unless I have to get up for a flight. Without an alarm, though, I wake up +/- 15 minutes of the same time every day. Since I'm just waking up to go to the gym, this works out fine.

The only time I see it as a curse is when we go away on vacation. Waking up at that time with nothing to do is pretty crummy.
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Jaymon wrote: Tue Nov 05, 2019 6:01 pm Unless there is special circumstance, I wake up a few minutes before my alarm.Its very rare for my alarm to actually ring. Even after the time change, it only takes a couple days.
Its a curse. A dreadful dreadful curse.
This is me, although that time span has increased from 15 minutes to as much as 90 minutes. I can never fall back asleep if I know I have to up within the hour, although that doesn't mean I'm getting out of bed.
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hitbyambulance wrote: Sat Mar 07, 2020 5:51 am the headline cracks me up

https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-ne ... to-end-it/
It’s funny. In the link text it says “voted to end it”

But the headline when you arrive at the link says “voted to keep it forever”

“Dreaded Taco Night is here again, even though we voted for tacos every night!”

Of course, I get it.

They voted to stop the switching and to stay on fake time. But they need DC approval to do that.
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I will forgo my annual rant against DST this year and hope people come to their senses. Stop this shit!
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Yay back to good time.
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I don't prefer one over the other. They're more or less the same. I just wish we'd pick one.

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Blackhawk wrote: Sat Mar 07, 2020 9:04 pm I don't prefer one over the other. They're more or less the same. I just wish we'd pick one.
I must have said this already, but that's never stopped me before: One's preference tracks with which end of the time zone one lives on. The eastern edge is an hour ahead of the western edge in terms of sunrise/sunset. Those of us on the early edge tend to prefer DST, whereas those on the late edge like standard time. Friends in MI (western edge) complain that they can't enforce their young children's bedtimes when the sun's setting at 10 pm in high summer. On the east coast, that happens at 9. In deep winter, it starts getting dark here as early as 4 pm; in MI, that's 5 pm. From our perspective on the eastern edge, those people on the western edge are always getting DST.

I'm going to guess that you live near the middle of your zone.
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Nope. Western edge. And yes, we put our kids to be when it was still light when they were little.
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I showed up to work an hour early this morning.
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And to top off my already bad mood about DST, the first person I ran into this morning said, "Almost feels like summer." Fuck off dude!
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Just don't ask the Icelanders about it.

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Congress still doesn't want to touch it
Yes, Washingtonians will still need to turn their clocks back an hour on Nov. 1, despite Washington lawmakers approving permanent Daylight Saving Time last year.

That’s because Washington can't actually do away with standard time unless Congress gives approval. Federal law allows states to opt out of Daylight Saving Time, but it doesn’t allow states to do the opposite. Hawaii and Arizona both operate on standard time year-round.

State Rep. Marcus Riccelli, D-Spokane, who was the prime sponsor of Washington's legislation, said last year there was "wide agreement" on the legislation and has been pushing for Congress to act since it was approved, but so far nothing has happened.
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Ontario to move permanently to daylight savings time as long as Quebec, New York follow
Ontario has decided to stop changing the clocks twice a year — if Quebec and New York State follow suit.

A bill introduced by Tory politician Jeremy Roberts passed in the legislature Wednesday.

The attorney general will have discretion to enact the legislation if the other two governments make a similar move.

Roberts says he is thrilled and will call on Quebec and New York to end this "outdated practice."
In other words, it's now someone else's fault that we have to put up with DST. :coffee:
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sixteen states have passed laws to move to permanent DST, but Congress is required to sign off on it. they are not taking up this issue.
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The Senate just unanimously passed a resolution to shift to full time DST in the US.

I am sure that people will be just thrilled about the prospects of 830-9 AM sunrises in the winter in mid-latitude states in the US.
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pr0ner wrote: Tue Mar 15, 2022 2:51 pm The Senate just unanimously passed a resolution to shift to full time DST in the US.

I am sure that people will be just thrilled about the prospects of 830-9 AM sunrises in the winter in mid-latitude states in the US.
That means my kids will never walk the dog before going to school.
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pr0ner wrote: Tue Mar 15, 2022 2:51 pm The Senate just unanimously passed a resolution to shift to full time DST in the US.

I am sure that people will be just thrilled about the prospects of 830-9 AM sunrises in the winter in mid-latitude states in the US.
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I know people who are excited by the prospect of permanent DST (because at least in the DC area, they hate that the sun sets before 5 PM during parts of the winter), but the shift to it being dark til after 8 isn't really going to be great for people, either.
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Also, we apparently tried this in 1974 and hated it.

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