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YellowKing wrote: Tue Mar 08, 2022 4:46 pm A buddy of mine's former high school staged a mass walkout today in protest.
Has he expressed a view on it?
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With the United States we have today and the way they treat anyone they find different, if Putin stated a war like he has with Ukraine and said he did it because the United States is hurting men, women, and children, would America really be able to say to they dont hurt men, woman, and children? I think not.
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Isgrimnur wrote:Has he expressed a view on it?
Oh yeah, he's VERY progressive. He was applauding them.
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YellowKing wrote: Tue Mar 08, 2022 7:49 pm
Isgrimnur wrote:Has he expressed a view on it?
Oh yeah, he's VERY progressive. He was applauding them.
Well, yeah. Back when he went there he could say gay.
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A federal judge has ruled that a former Kentucky clerk violated the constitutional rights of two same-sex couples after she wouldn’t issue them marriage licenses – a refusal that sparked international attention and briefly landed her in jail in 2015.

The US district judge, David Bunning, issued the ruling on Friday in two longstanding lawsuits involving Kim Davis, the former clerk of Rowan county, and two same-sex couples. A jury trial will still need to decide on any damages.

Bunning reasoned that Davis “cannot use her own constitutional rights as a shield to violate the constitutional rights of others while performing her duties as an elected official”.

“It is readily apparent that Obergefell recognizes Plaintiffs’ 14th-amendment right to marry,” the judge wrote, referencing the landmark same-sex marriage Obergefell v Hodges decision from 2015. “It is also readily apparent that Davis made a conscious decision to violate plaintiffs’ right.”
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The letter is probably just satire, but it's still fun.

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Ross Douthat wades into dangerous waters.

He argues that where you stand in the resurgent LGBT culture wars depends on how you view stats like the following: 20% or so of gen Z youth identify today as LGBT (taken from a Gallup survey).

One camp thinks that's great. More people able to be true to themselves. Just like left-handedness became much more prevalent, once we stopped trying to stomp it out, it's natural and wonderful to see such a precipitous rise in LGBT identification.

Another camp thinks we shouldn't make too much out of these types of surveys/trends. Kids being kids. They're going to experiment, and that's fine. But we also shouldn't freak out and "treat it as a definitive revelation about human nature or try to build new curriculums or impose certain rules atop a fluid and uncertain situation. Tolerance is essential; ideological enthusiasm is unnecessary."

Not surprisingly, the third camp is scared to death. The rise of LGBT-identifying youth is a contagion that threatens the fabric of our society. "Don't Say Gay!"

Douthat doesn't stake an explicit claim on which camp he sits in, although I think the piece makes it pretty clear. His parting shot:
But of course this is also a theory of conflict- avoidance, shading into cowardice. So to end more straightforwardly, I will make a prediction: Within not too short a span of time, not only conservatives but most liberals will recognize that we have been running an experiment on trans-identifying youth without good or certain evidence, inspired by ideological motives rather than scientific rigor, in a way that future generations will regard as a grave medical-political scandal.
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I liked this piece. A lot of his recent pieces haven't really been all that insightful IMO. I think he dissects the issue precisely enough to be useful at the very least. He doesn't dock this into a model of the larger culture which I'd personally ding him on. However, FWIW I think his parting shot is on-target. He wisely avoids getting more explicit or declarative because that'd be a distraction but also a narrow road into "TERF" territory as far as purists are concerned.
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The sooner society considers it no big deal, the sooner it will be no big deal. Yes, I am a genius, I know.
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coopasonic wrote: Wed Apr 13, 2022 3:12 pm The sooner society considers it no big deal, the sooner it will be no big deal. Yes, I am a genius, I know.
Count me firmly as being already in the no big deal category. I wish it was more prevalent.
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gbasden wrote: Thu Apr 14, 2022 7:38 pm
coopasonic wrote: Wed Apr 13, 2022 3:12 pm The sooner society considers it no big deal, the sooner it will be no big deal. Yes, I am a genius, I know.
Count me firmly as being already in the no big deal category. I wish it was more prevalent.
My eyes opened when one of my friends from high school told me he was gay in college, so I've been there a long time. I found trans confusing until I had a friend transition. That was probably 20 years ago at this point. After that I decided that my tiny sliver of experience was no match for the world and I was in no position to judge someone based on anything that didn't cause harm to others.
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This is Democrat Ian Mackey. He is with the Missouri State House. He has 3K followers. Can you retweet and follow him to help grow another great Democrat at the state level where things are critical to get done?

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(Is there a better place to put this? I am not sure where to put it...)

This is just the most awesome thing to listen to. And she is looking over at the Senator in question while saying this

State Senator Mallory McMorrow tells it like it is.

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What in the actual F? Can we seriously rescue people from Florida?


NEW: The Florida Department of Health just issued guidelines telling doctors to medically de-transition all transgender youth and banned them from social transition treatment, including “name, pronoun, and clothing changes.”
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Unagi wrote: Wed Apr 20, 2022 12:17 pm (Is there a better place to put this? I am not sure where to put it...)

This is just the most awesome thing to listen to. And she is looking over at the Senator in question while saying this

State Senator Mallory McMorrow tells it like it is.

Hope she's right. I feel my state is in shambles and the firewall against us collapsing are the shrunken in numbers republicans with integrity whom are being chased out while they still control the legislature through existing gerrymandering structure. I hope my feelings are divorced from reality. On my morning walk today, I saw a bit graffiti that is despicable, right across the street from a "Fuck Biden" flag. The straight pipe bearing truck next door has its blue line flag proudly decaled on its bed. And I live in consistently D but narrowly so district.
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Smoove_B wrote: Thu Apr 21, 2022 10:23 am What in the actual F? Can we seriously rescue people from Florida?


NEW: The Florida Department of Health just issued guidelines telling doctors to medically de-transition all transgender youth and banned them from social transition treatment, including “name, pronoun, and clothing changes.”
The memo is in the tweet thread.
That's...

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This is what they've dreamed of: using the power of government to erase rather than recognize the rights of people who don't fit the straight white right-wing Christian vision of identity and social hierarchy.

In the 1990s and the early 2000s the walls of social oppression seemed to be falling. Now we're seeing them hoisted back up, and in every dimension: race, sex, gender, and identity.

There's already talk of rescinding not just abortion and gay marriage but contraception and interracial marriage, for God's sake.

If you think that's hyperbole, you don't know who we're dealing with.
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These are the same assholes who cry freedom over the inconvenience of wearing a mask. But if it’s their enemy, there is no freedom or separation of church and state.
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Holman wrote: Thu Apr 21, 2022 7:50 pm This is what they've dreamed of: using the power of government to erase rather than recognize the rights of people who don't fit the straight white right-wing Christian vision of identity and social hierarchy.

In the 1990s and the early 2000s the walls of social oppression seemed to be falling. Now we're seeing them hoisted back up, and in every dimension: race, sex, gender, and identity.

There's already talk of rescinding not just abortion and gay marriage but contraception and interracial marriage, for God's sake.

If you think that's hyperbole, you don't know who we're dealing with.
Banning interracial marriage has always confused me because of the full spectrum of skin color. Where exactly do they draw the line and who is the Racism Czar?
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Jaymann wrote: Fri Apr 22, 2022 1:01 am
Holman wrote: Thu Apr 21, 2022 7:50 pm This is what they've dreamed of: using the power of government to erase rather than recognize the rights of people who don't fit the straight white right-wing Christian vision of identity and social hierarchy.

In the 1990s and the early 2000s the walls of social oppression seemed to be falling. Now we're seeing them hoisted back up, and in every dimension: race, sex, gender, and identity.

There's already talk of rescinding not just abortion and gay marriage but contraception and interracial marriage, for God's sake.

If you think that's hyperbole, you don't know who we're dealing with.
Banning interracial marriage has always confused me because of the full spectrum of skin color. Where exactly do they draw the line and who is the Racism Czar?
I'm sure they would leave it up to whichever most-bigoted official issues marriage licenses.
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Kentucky births those .
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Up next, North Carolina:
Following the lead of other Republican-led states, North Carolina lawmakers proposed a bill Tuesday that would ban teaching about gender or sexuality in early elementary school grades, and could force school employees to out LGBTQ students to their parents.

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The bill faces the potential of a veto from Gov. Roy Cooper, a Democrat, but it could lead lawmakers to stake out positions ahead of the November elections on what they would do if voters give them more control.

In addition to banning teachers of students up through third grade from teaching about LGBTQ issues, the bill would also require that if students in any grade tell teachers or counselors about issues related to their gender or sexuality — or about anything else related to their “mental, emotional or physical health or well-being” — then school employees would not be allowed to keep it a secret if the parents asked.
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JFC Ohio!


Yesterday we passed a bill in the Ohio house allowing ANYONE to question ANY child athlete’s gender and require them to have a physician write a statement based on 3 things: Their INTERNAL and external reproductive anatomy 2. Their normal endogenously produced testosterone levels and 3. Their genetic make-up ...Any child who might appear “too masculine” or “too feminine” can be questioned and required to prove their gender with invasive, sensitive tests and exams. Or perhaps any child who simply performs too well. Could this happen in the middle of a football game when the star quarterback is about to throw a touchdown? Is there to be a “gender challenge” flag?
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Find out where state legislators work out or golf or country club sauna and file an investigation on them too. The law's the law.

They're not child athletes? Let them prove it. We already know that "birth certificates" and other documentation don't count, so drop those pasty white shorts.
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Conservative's ongoing obsession with the genitalia of high school athletes is suuuuuuuper creepy.
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Smoove_B wrote: Thu Jun 02, 2022 5:06 pm JFC Ohio!
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Lest anyone think the Tweeter supports this nonsense:

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We're all turning into our grandparents now, believing any tweet we see. :lol:
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I'm confused. It's all true. I probably should have added the clarification that she was against it, but the actual legislation has been proposed:
House Republican lawmakers in Ohio passed a bill at 11:15 p.m. Wednesday night that would ban transgender girls and women from participating in high school and college athletics. It also comes with a "verification process" of checking the genitals of those "accused" of being trans.

The 'Save Women's Sports Act,' or House Bill 61, wasn't supposed to be on the schedule for legislators originally. However, at the last minute, Republican representatives added the language to a completely different bill.
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Smoove_B wrote: Fri Jun 03, 2022 12:50 pm I'm confused. It's all true. I probably should have added the clarification that she was against it, but the actual legislation has been proposed:
House Republican lawmakers in Ohio passed a bill at 11:15 p.m. Wednesday night that would ban transgender girls and women from participating in high school and college athletics. It also comes with a "verification process" of checking the genitals of those "accused" of being trans.

The 'Save Women's Sports Act,' or House Bill 61, wasn't supposed to be on the schedule for legislators originally. However, at the last minute, Republican representatives added the language to a completely different bill.
More her mistake in not having anything in the first tweet to indicate her position on it. First tweets matter!
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Smoove_B wrote: Fri Jun 03, 2022 12:50 pm I'm confused. It's all true. I probably should have added the clarification that she was against it,
Ah, got it. :D
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Does anyone find it surreal that Cawthorn is being investigated for insider trading/ethics violations for the pump and dump of Let's Go Brandon tokens? AKA LGBT coin?
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Finally, a politician in TX going after the one thing that's really causing harm to kids - gu...sorry, drag shows:
Texas state Rep. Brian Slaton, a Republican who represents a district outside of Dallas, announced Monday that he will introduce a bill in the Texas House of Representatives in the coming days that would ban children from drag shows.

Slaton says his move is a reaction to a local drag show in Dallas that allowed children to attend.

The legislation would protect "kids from drag shows and other inappropriate displays," according to a news release by Slaton.

“The events of this past weekend were horrifying and show a disturbing trend in which perverted adults are obsessed with sexualizing young children,” Slaton said in the release. “As a father of two young children, I would never take my children to a drag show and I know Speaker Dade Phelan and the rest of my Republican colleagues wouldn’t either. Protecting our own children isn’t enough, and our responsibility as lawmakers extends to the sexualization that is happening across Texas.”

The release also stated that Slaton would continue "his fight" to have gender-affirming health care considered "child abuse" in the state.
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Parent’s rights. If I want my daughters to listen to Showtunes and slightly raunchy Disney songs sung by a drag queen, I should be able to. Or take them to the pride parade. My punishment is not having as much fun.
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