Borderlands 2 - Impressions start Page 5

miltonite · Post by **miltonite** » Thu Apr 14, 2016 5:22 pm

Tiny Tina's DLC was my favorite of all the Borderlands games to date.

It had some pretty tough fights but it was all worth it.

TheMix · Post by **TheMix** » Thu Apr 14, 2016 6:36 pm

Yes. Yes, you do.

Max Peck · Post by **Max Peck** » Sat Apr 16, 2016 12:56 pm

GreenGoo wrote:Working hard against the instinct to reload was actually an enjoyable part of playing Gaige for me. Of course I'd be pissed if I reloaded by accident, but that just made it more fun (I realize not many will feel this way).

I guess I'm in the "not fun when it happens" category. When I play Gaige, I rebind the reload key to the far corner of the keyboard just to keep me from hitting it by reflex.

KDH · Post by **KDH** » Sat Apr 16, 2016 2:11 pm

typically, I can reload after firing one shot .. I don't use Tediore weapons for this reason

I paid for the Gaige and Krieg DLCs, but I have no desire to play them now because their skillsets don't fit my lack-of-skillset™

GreenGoo · Post by **GreenGoo** » Sat Apr 16, 2016 4:53 pm

Max Peck wrote:
GreenGoo wrote:Working hard against the instinct to reload was actually an enjoyable part of playing Gaige for me. Of course I'd be pissed if I reloaded by accident, but that just made it more fun (I realize not many will feel this way).
I guess I'm in the "not fun when it happens" category. When I play Gaige, I rebind the reload key to the far corner of the keyboard just to keep me from hitting it by reflex.

Well, it's fun in the "I've been trained in the Pavlovian way to reload often and when the opportunity arises". Trying to break that response because the benefit of *not* reloading is far greater than the benefit of reloading, is interesting. You know it's better not to reload, and yet you do it anyway.

In any case, I've been tempted to rebind the key as well, but I decided that if I reloaded I deserved what I got. It didn't take long (although a bit painful) to stop reloading. When I had the most trouble is when I was switching back and forth between characters. But even that had it's benefits, as it keep me from reloading *too* much. Sometimes you just don't need to reload, and sometimes, reloading is a mistake (although rarely).

GreenGoo · Post by **GreenGoo** » Sat Apr 16, 2016 4:56 pm

KDH wrote:typically, I can reload after firing one shot .. I don't use Tediore weapons for this reason

I paid for the Gaige and Krieg DLCs, but I have no desire to play them now because their skillsets don't fit my lack-of-skillset™

Kreige can be played as a shooter. In fact he's as good as a shooter as he is as a melee'r. Gaige can ignore the anarchy skill all together. You can go heavy 'bot or even shock trooper if you want. It's just that Anarchy is so powerful that almost all builds incorporate it in some way. I'd argue it's overpowered, but borderlands has never been about balance, only about fun and shooting things.

Non-typical builds are a lot of fun, and pretty much every character can be built in different ways that still work.

TheMix · Post by **TheMix** » Sat Apr 16, 2016 5:37 pm

I ran with a shock build on Gaige for a LONG time. I only recently tried the anarchy stuff. It just seemed too much trouble initially. Plus, I had some really nice shock weapons.

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Tue Apr 19, 2016 8:45 am

And Gaige takes down the Warrior. The crowd goes wild!!!

Not sure what I'm going to try next...I'm thinking maybe Tina's DLC. Maya is up to Ultimate Vault Hunter mode - might use her.

GreenGoo · Post by **GreenGoo** » Tue Apr 19, 2016 10:17 am

Congrats!

I find that fight to be relatively balanced. Something is always plinking at your health, so you never feel like you're "safe", but it's not so tough that making a mistake results in your death. Gear, as always, plays a part, as any lucky drops you've gotten recently make it a LOT easier than if you have to use average weapons for your level.

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Tue Apr 19, 2016 11:06 am

Cracked $1M last night. Made level 50 w/i the last couple sessions.

Taking down the griefers was fun, if a bit challenging with the restrictions.

Oh, and just leave the gun alone.

Blackhawk · Post by **Blackhawk** » Tue Apr 19, 2016 1:16 pm

We're about to hit 50 in our family three-person co-op run. We're in the second playthrough, just about to hit the Info Stockade. Some of the fights are actually challenging. Even in the second run they were a cakewalk for a while there, but Sawtooth Canyon was tough.

My kids are playing Axton and Salvador, so we have plenty of damage coming out. I'm running Maya built mostly with damage talents, but with the first leg of the Harmony tree and a Nurse class mod and a cooldown reduction relic. It hurts my damage, but provides significant healing, health regen, and lets me use my phaselock to instantly resurrect players in Fight For Your Life.

TheMix · Post by **TheMix** » Tue Apr 19, 2016 1:35 pm

Isgrimnur wrote:Oh, and just leave the gun alone.

No Way!!!

That gun is great. (And if you are running a shock build, it really is. Just don't reload when facing a cliff...)

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Tue Apr 19, 2016 1:43 pm

I don't have the gun yet. And I resent the setback that happened when I tried to pick it up a second time.

TheMix · Post by **TheMix** » Tue Apr 19, 2016 2:40 pm

Isgrimnur wrote:I don't have the gun yet. And I resent the setback that happened when I tried to pick it up a second time.

Oh, you have to keep going. It keeps delivering.

At least tell me you finished getting the crumpets!

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Tue Apr 19, 2016 3:14 pm

Not yet. I have finished the second group of them. It delivers.

Bad Demographic · Post by **Bad Demographic** » Tue Apr 19, 2016 3:35 pm

Isgrimnur wrote:I don't have the gun yet. And I resent the setback that happened when I tried to pick it up a second time.

Which gun are you guys talking about? The slippery one?

TheMix · Post by **TheMix** » Tue Apr 19, 2016 6:21 pm

Bad Demographic wrote:
Isgrimnur wrote:I don't have the gun yet. And I resent the setback that happened when I tried to pick it up a second time.
Which gun are you guys talking about? The slippery one?

That is the one I'm talking about. Hopefully he is also.

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Tue Apr 19, 2016 6:29 pm

Bad Demographic · Post by **Bad Demographic** » Tue Apr 19, 2016 8:48 pm

TheMix wrote:
Bad Demographic wrote:
Isgrimnur wrote:I don't have the gun yet. And I resent the setback that happened when I tried to pick it up a second time.
Which gun are you guys talking about? The slippery one?
That is the one I'm talking about. Hopefully he is also.

I hated that too. But

Spoiler:

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Wed Apr 20, 2016 8:51 am

I just started Tina's DLC...why didn't anyone tell us how amazing this was!?!?

I just made it through the forest - so really just starting. I'm using Maya who completed TVH mode and entered this on TVH mode. Should I have tried it on UVH mode? I mean, it's not easy - those skeletons are appropriately named - but I'm not really getting enough XP to level up and the drops have been extremely underwhelming. Although right before I quite I got The Bee - which makes Maya very, very happy.

GreenGoo · Post by **GreenGoo** » Wed Apr 20, 2016 10:17 am

TheMix wrote:
Isgrimnur wrote:I don't have the gun yet. And I resent the setback that happened when I tried to pick it up a second time.
Oh, you have to keep going. It keeps delivering.

At least tell me you finished getting the crumpets!

Crumpets are crunk.

I've finished the game on normal like 15 times. Every time I meet Tiny Tina, I start singing "Runnin' runnin' runnin', I'm runnin' over here, run run run run run.

All the voice acting in the game is excellent (way better than it has any right to be, imo) and she's especially fun. But her backstory is so awful, I feel guilty/sad when I laugh at her antics.

TheMix · Post by **TheMix** » Wed Apr 20, 2016 12:46 pm

Day to day, I'm most likely to quote "Good plan? Great plan!" Even gilraen says it sometimes.

GreenGoo · Post by **GreenGoo** » Wed Apr 20, 2016 4:38 pm

TheMix wrote:Day to day, I'm most likely to quote "Good plan? Great plan!" Even gilraen says it sometimes.

I was co-oping with my son. He didn't know what a badonkadonk was, so I told him. Every sentence from then on while we were in the bandit's base had the word badonkadonk in it. "where's the badonkadonk?" "The badonkadonk is over here" "But we need 2 badonkadonks, what have the bandits done with the badonkadonks?" "Why would they just leave the badonkadonk out in the open? Someone should really cover up this badonkadonk" "Grab the badonkadonk" "I don't think I'm supposed to touch someone else's badonkadonk"

It was fun.

Not exactly a Tiny Tina reference, but a good illustration of how fun the writing is in the game.

Bad Demographic · Post by **Bad Demographic** » Wed Apr 20, 2016 4:44 pm

stessier wrote:I just started Tina's DLC...why didn't anyone tell us how amazing this was!?!?

I just made it through the forest - so really just starting. I'm using Maya who completed TVH mode and entered this on TVH mode. Should I have tried it on UVH mode? I mean, it's not easy - those skeletons are appropriately named - but I'm not really getting enough XP to level up and the drops have been extremely underwhelming. Although right before I quite I got The Bee - which makes Maya very, very happy.

Tiny Tina's is my favorite DLC for Borderlands 2. Plus it has one of my favorite reward weaons (a shotgun from Roland) and those great grenades.
Mr. Torgue's Badass Crater of Badassitude is also really good. Torgue is hilarious, always.
Captain Scarlett's (the pirate adventure) is good and I think I liked some of the reward weapons.
I didn't like Hammerlock's all that much. The lighting is dim (yes, it's sort of under a cliff I think, therefore much of the light is blocked but I still found it visually unappealing) and it has some early sidequests from a German-like researcher/professor (not great sidequests and I didn't like the quest giver). But I did like using the "swordsplosion" from Tiny Tina's Dungeon on the giant daddy-long-legs-type critters.

Just thought I should "rate" the four main dlcs for you in case you haven't played them all.

TheMix · Post by **TheMix** » Wed Apr 20, 2016 7:51 pm

I love the badonkadonk quest. Did you notice when you entered the bandit base, after Tina makes some comment about the badonkadonks, one of the bandits comes on the radio and says "What the hell's a badonkadonk?"

GreenGoo · Post by **GreenGoo** » Wed Apr 20, 2016 11:20 pm

TheMix wrote:I love the badonkadonk quest. Did you notice when you entered the bandit base, after Tina makes some comment about the badonkadonks, one of the bandits comes on the radio and says "What the hell's a badonkadonk?"

Yes, it was perfectly timed during a momentary lull in combat, while co-oping with my son, so it was crystal clear.

Felicity Sexopants.

Blackhawk · Post by **Blackhawk** » Wed Apr 20, 2016 11:40 pm

Felicia. Felicia Sexopants.

I know, because my youngest has also been spouting that one, along with badonkadonk. And yes, Tina is the single greatest NPC since Minsc.

GreenGoo · Post by **GreenGoo** » Wed Apr 20, 2016 11:42 pm

Blackhawk wrote:Felicia. Felicia Sexopants.

I know, because my youngest has also been spouting that one, along with badonkadonk. And yes, Tina is the single greatest NPC since Minsc.

Thanks for the correction.

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Thu Apr 21, 2016 9:06 am

Isgrimnur wrote:I don't have the gun yet. And I resent the setback that happened when I tried to pick it up a second time.

Agreed.

I just fought the Kings at the side of the White Knight. I felt it was terribly unfair and lost more than half my cash trying to get through it. Maybe it is the level I am at while I attempt it, but having those Relentless Skeletons throws the whole thing completely out of whack.

miltonite · Post by **miltonite** » Thu Apr 21, 2016 9:41 am

With the skeletons we had good luck with explosive weapons. It is hard to bounce bullets back at you when they are no longer there.

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Thu Apr 21, 2016 11:33 am

Maybe I had a wrong theory then?

Spoiler:

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Thu Apr 21, 2016 12:02 pm

Spoiler:

Bad Demographic · Post by **Bad Demographic** » Thu Apr 21, 2016 12:05 pm

Isgrimnur wrote:
Spoiler:
If they're the ones that I recall, you have to go to the corpse and pick up the sword that's stuck through them to finally kill them.

Or that's the Immortal Skeletaur...

Doable but not easy when playing solo.

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Thu Apr 21, 2016 12:47 pm

I was spoiling in case Isgrimnur hadn't gotten there yet. Since he has...

I think part of the problem is I never saw them die. I think maybe Roland was killing them while I focused on the king as so they kept leveling up? That would explain it. I was really close to just quitting for the day though. Fighting things 8 levels above you is not recommended.

Blackhawk · Post by **Blackhawk** » Thu Apr 21, 2016 1:18 pm

I obviously remember less about the DLC than I thought. I've only been through it once, but nothing you're all discussing sounds at all familiar to me. That's good news! It means that I'll finally have something that feels new when I get there with the kids.

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Fri Apr 22, 2016 9:07 am

I don't understand some of the enemies. There was some Orc in the mines that starts at Level 53 and was doing something so that he was Level 57 by the time I got around to trying to take him out. I just ran out of the level - after a death of course - so he reset. He still got to Level 54 before I knew what had happened - and then he just died. I didn't do anything to him - he just died and dropped a ton of loot. It was very weird.

KDH · Post by **KDH** » Fri Apr 22, 2016 10:28 am

stessier wrote:I don't understand some of the enemies. There was some Orc in the mines that starts at Level 53 and was doing something so that he was Level 57 by the time I got around to trying to take him out. I just ran out of the level - after a death of course - so he reset. He still got to Level 54 before I knew what had happened - and then he just died. I didn't do anything to him - he just died and dropped a ton of loot. It was very weird.

spontaneous combustion?

perhaps it was a way of simulating the real-life phenomenon known as berserker rage .. I know that Orc in the camp at the end of the "Forest" (the "Duke of Orc") does some kind of red-flash rage .. I've never noticed whether he changes levels .. he does seem to alternate names, possibly "Commander Grug" or something similar

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Fri Apr 22, 2016 11:03 am

KDH wrote:
stessier wrote:I don't understand some of the enemies. There was some Orc in the mines that starts at Level 53 and was doing something so that he was Level 57 by the time I got around to trying to take him out. I just ran out of the level - after a death of course - so he reset. He still got to Level 54 before I knew what had happened - and then he just died. I didn't do anything to him - he just died and dropped a ton of loot. It was very weird.

spontaneous combustion?

perhaps it was a way of simulating the real-life phenomenon known as berserker rage .. I know that Orc in the camp at the end of the "Forest" (the "Duke of Orc") does some kind of red-flash rage .. I've never noticed whether he changes levels .. he does seem to alternate names, possibly "Commander Grug" or something similar

Yeah, the name changes with his level. Level 55 or maybe 56 was Duke of Orc.

As for his death, I ran to a corner and was hiding. I turned around and he just dropped dead. Maya's breath isn't that bad.

killbot737 · Post by **killbot737** » Fri Apr 22, 2016 3:09 pm

Ha I ended up kiting both of those guys. Run them around in a circle, slag them then hit them with another element/grenade/launcher, then run before they curbstomp me. Took a while with one of the guys leveling up 4 levels above me.

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Sun Apr 24, 2016 5:39 am

Got the Sword Splosion - very cool. Also finally caught the Slippery Gun - and then used it until the clip was empty. Can't imagine that will become annoying.