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Freddy Vs Jason
One, two, Freddy's coming for you... three, four, Jason's at your door...
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Freddy Vs. Jason

One, two, Freddy's coming for you... three, four, Jason's at your door...

Game Concept:

Freddy and Jason have decided to find out once and for all who is the greatest slasher killer. Each killer will attempt to have the highest body count by the end of ?? days and nights. A group of college students have come to the crystal lake camp ground to drink and party. Little do they know that they have just walked into Freddy and Jason's trap.

Roles:


Jason Voorhees - Jason's greatest fear is drowning.


Freddy Krueger - Freddy's greatest fear is fire.


The Virgin - The virgin is a real drag at a party because she is a prude and won't put out. If Jason attacks the Virgin he will not kill her seeing as she is an innocent. The Virgin will not realize that she was attacked. Freddy will kill the Virgin if he attacks her. The Virgin can use her weird sense to scan a student to see if their are Freddy.


The Pyro - The pyro is constantly flicking his bic. If Freddy attacks the Pyro he will not kill him as the bic lighter will drive him away. The Pyro can use her insane sense to scan a student to see if they are Jason.


?? Students - You can vote and you can Get Drunk!!!!

Rulez:

Game Flow:

The game begins with the students arriving at night one. There are a total of ?? nights and days. On each night there is a primary and secondary killer. The primary killer will get to attack a player first. If he fails to kill his target then the secondary player attempt to attack a player. If the secondary player fails to kill his target then no player is killed that night. The primary and secondary killer titles will pass back and forth between Freddy and Jason at random intervals where each killer has an equal number of times to be the primary killer for the total number of nights. Neither killer will know if he is the primary or secondary killer until after they have chosen who to attack and get their results.

For example:
Night One: Primary - Freddy Secondary - Jason
Night Two: Primary - Freddy Secondary - Jason
Night Three: Primary Freddy Secondary - Jason
Night Four: Primary Jason Secondary - Freddy
Night Five: Primary Jason Secondary - Freddy
Night Six: Primary Freddy Secondary - Jason
Night Seven: Primary Jason Secondary - Freddy
Night Eight: Primary Jason Secondary - Freddy

If one of the killers is killed, then the last killer will always be the primary killer and there will be no secondary killer.

Killer Attacks:

At the beginning of the night each player is asked if they will sleep by the fire or sleep in the wood. When Jason attacks a player he may not attack a player in the woods. When Freddy attacks a player he may not kill a player sleeping by the fire.

For example, Bubba's secret PM order says he will sleep by the fire for the night. Freddy chooses to attack Bubba but once he sees Bubba is sleeping by the fire he is unable to kill him and gets a miss that night.

Both the Virgin and the Pryo are not given a choice and can always be killed provided the killer can kill them.

When only one killer remains then players are no longer given to option to sleep by the fire or in the woods and can be killed by any killer who attacks them.

Night Boilerplate:
Jason Voorhees:
Who will you attack?

Freddy Krueger:
Who will you attack?

Students:
Will you stay by the fire or will you hide in the forest?

Virgin:
Who will you scan?

Pryo:
Who will you scan?

Beginning of Day Sequence:
Results are sent to all relevant parties...

Day Boilerplate:
Announce results from last night and open voting.

Voting:
Each day players will be able to place a vote for the player.

Only votes (and withdraws) cast with the   tag are official.

A majority vote will close voting. There will be a hard deadline for votes.

Deaths:
Dying player will always be revealed to be either Freddy, Jason, or Student. Student's specific player roles will not be revealed.

Victory Conditions:

Killer Victory: At least one killer survives until the end of the game or the number of surviving killers is equal to the number of surviving students. 
 

•  Jason Voorhees Sub-Victory: Survive until the end of the game and have a larger body count than Freddy Krueger. 
   
  
•  Freddy Krueger Sub-Victory: Survive until the end of the game and have a larger body count than Jason Voorhee. 
   
  

 
Student Victory: The students win when both killers are killed. 
 

Ok, everyone, I have a preview of the rulez for Freddy Vs. Jason. I'm still considering adding other things but this is the basic game. This is a killer oriented game but I'd like to see if I can find a way to get the students more involved. Please take a look at the rulez and let me know if anything is confusing or broken and any suggestions to make things more fun.

THANKS!

My understanding

Night Kills {0,1} - no possible doubles
Day Lynch {1}

What happens if the end game resolves to one killer, one student during the day?

Death of one killer will be explicit knowledge to all.

If game ends with both killers, it goes to strict body count.

Is the random number of nights going to be determined by body count or a mod-hidden variable? It would seem that a body-count derived number would make the random nature of primary seeding iffy at best.

i think a problem could arise getting 12 orders in from people, since some people lag and what not...remember semaj a few games ago....pretty much was drunk at a bar and let something slide for the whole weekend...and the game hinged on his hungover ass (said with much love semaj, much love ).....i would think maybe a time deadline to put in the order once the lynch has been achieved, say 12 hours for you to get your sleeping order in, or else it will go to random.org. Players can always pre-send in their orders prior to lynch.

Isgrimnur wrote:My understanding

Night Kills {0,1} - no possible doubles
Day Lynch {1}

What happens if the end game resolves to one killer, one student during the day?

Death of one killer will be explicit knowledge to all.

If game ends with both killers, it goes to strict body count.

Is the random number of nights going to be determined by body count or a mod-hidden variable? It would seem that a body-count derived number would make the random nature of primary seeding iffy at best.

I couldn't figure out how to make it clear but the primary times and secondary times equal out. They just won't be back to back. So it could be Freddy is primary four nights in a row following Jason Primary four nights in a row.

Correct, the killer's identity is announced when he is killed. I will check the rulez to make sure this is clear again.

The game will have a set number of nights so at the end if both killers are alive, then it goes to body count for the sub-victory. A tie is scored as a tie.

I will add language in the Victory conditions where if the number of killers and students are equal the game ends and we go to the killers victory conditions.

Newcastle wrote:i think a problem could arise getting 12 orders in from people, since some people lag and what not...remember semaj a few games ago....pretty much was drunk at a bar and let something slide for the whole weekend...and the game hinged on his hungover ass (said with much love semaj, much love ).....i would think maybe a time deadline to put in the order once the lynch has been achieved, say 12 hours for you to get your sleeping order in, or else it will go to random.org. Players can always pre-send in their orders prior to lynch.

I will add in hard deadlines. Night orders are 12 hours. Voting will be one week (allowances can be made for holidays and the like). THANKS

Scoop20906 wrote:Correct, the killer's identity is announced when he is killed. I will check the rulez to make sure this is clear again.

Why announce it? The students are just fodder in that situation. Why not let them have fun and risk their life with their convictions? Don't announce and let them continue to choose a sleeping place. Maybe if everyone sleeps in one place or the other, Everyone dies and the Killer wins? Or Something Painful to stop the Students from doing that?

stessier wrote:

Scoop20906 wrote:Correct, the killer's identity is announced when he is killed. I will check the rulez to make sure this is clear again.

Why announce it? The students are just fodder in that situation. Why not let them have fun and risk their life with their convictions? Don't announce and let them continue to choose a sleeping place. Maybe if everyone sleeps in one place or the other, Everyone dies and the Killer wins? Or Something Painful to stop the Students from doing that?

but students could in theory say "hey i am going to sleep by the fire/ forest" and then if one dies in a certain area they would avoid it till they won, foiling the killer.

Newcastle wrote:

stessier wrote:

Scoop20906 wrote:Correct, the killer's identity is announced when he is killed. I will check the rulez to make sure this is clear again.

Why announce it? The students are just fodder in that situation. Why not let them have fun and risk their life with their convictions? Don't announce and let them continue to choose a sleeping place. Maybe if everyone sleeps in one place or the other, Everyone dies and the Killer wins? Or Something Painful to stop the Students from doing that?

but students could in theory say "hey i am going to sleep by the fire/ forest" and then if one dies in a certain area they would avoid it till they won, foiling the killer.

Hence the "if everyone sleeps in one place or the other, Everyone dies and the Killer wins? Or Something Painful to stop the Students from doing that?" part.

I don't have all the answers, I just think it's boring to be staring into a meat grinder like that when there was possible fun early on.

Given my dislike for opening night random kills, a thought occurred to me:

Perhaps make the opening night potential kill vote-based. Make it so that the campers cote for someone to make a beer run out in one of two directions. Have the killers make their selections for which direction they're going to go prior to the opening discussion/vote, and then either have the crowd or the potential victim pick the path they're going to choose and risk their necks that way.

The alternative is to just start during Day. There is no hard/fast rule that WW must start at Night.

stessier wrote:The alternative is to just start during Day. There is no hard/fast rule that WW must start at Night.

Yes, but from a story point of view, what possible reason would you have for lynching someone on Day 1 when there haven't been any night-time murders?

Simple, you murder Sdir NotAppearingInThisFilm... Like the Mod.

Chaosraven wrote:Simple, you murder Sdir NotAppearingInThisFilm... Like the Mod.

Makes sense. That hadn't occurred to me, but is a good idea.

Down with Opening Phase Kills! Up with Player Rights!

Chaosraven wrote:Simple, you murder Sdir NotAppearingInThisFilm... Like the Mod.

What was the name they use for the WW games? I remember being amused.

Isgrimnur wrote:

Chaosraven wrote:Simple, you murder Sdir NotAppearingInThisFilm... Like the Mod.

Makes sense. That hadn't occurred to me, but is a good idea.

Down with Opening Phase Kills! Up with Player Rights!

of course, then it sucks to be the first guy voted out when nothing has happened

I can start it during the day and have a red shirt die on night one.

Just promise me everyone votes for Iggy on Day One.

it may be just a lack of experience on my part or I need to do some serious prowling over the rulz, but I don't see any real issues. looking forward to actually seeINg how I can actually play my hand at a couple of serious games.

That 'pyro' is a girl !?

I think it may in fact be... in theory anyways... a man.

Although I would argue many many different aspects.

No one part of the IN crowd would miss a party at Camp Crystal Lake.

I's in.

I'm in.

So, if Freddy is identified by the Virgin and lynched, Jason is screwed?

* Jason can't kill the Virgin.
* All the students elect to sleep in the woods.

Lagom Lite wrote:So, if Freddy is identified by the Virgin and lynched, Jason is screwed?

* Jason can't kill the Virgin.
* All the students elect to sleep in the woods.

When only one killer remains then players are no longer given to option to sleep by the fire or in the woods and can be killed by any killer who attacks them.

Isgrimnur wrote:

Lagom Lite wrote:So, if Freddy is identified by the Virgin and lynched, Jason is screwed?

* Jason can't kill the Virgin.
* All the students elect to sleep in the woods.

When only one killer remains then players are no longer given to option to sleep by the fire or in the woods and can be killed by any killer who attacks them.

Ah. Gotcha.

In, please!

wouldn't it be easier to have 1 on 1 off situation for the killers? Say Jason dies day 3 or 4... he's pretty much not gotten to do a damn thing.

Semaj wrote:wouldn't it be easier to have 1 on 1 off situation for the killers? Say Jason dies day 3 or 4... he's pretty much not gotten to do a damn thing.

It can't be predictable. Otherwise, the students realize where they can hide that night.

Do freddy and jason know each others identity? What if they go after each other? What are they told?

Chaosraven wrote:Do freddy and jason know each others identity? What if they go after each other? What are they told?

I need to flesh this out in the rulez but they don't know the other's identity since they could easily try to get the other offed. If one target the other they are told the same miss message they would be told if the student hid form them in the woods or fire depending on which killer it is.

Perhaps a simple Failure result with no explanation, whether other Killer, antihero, or stufent sleeping in other area.

Now, do the Targets (whether Killer, antihero, or safe student) get to know how close they came to a dirt nap?

Chaosraven wrote:Now, do the Targets (whether Killer, antihero, or safe student) get to know how close they came to a dirt nap?

Hmm, I am leaning to no but what do you think would be more fun?

Scoop20906 wrote:

Chaosraven wrote:Now, do the Targets (whether Killer, antihero, or safe student) get to know how close they came to a dirt nap?

Hmm, I am leaning to no but what do you think would be more fun?

i think it would add information to the game... The antihero would know they scared off their nemesis, the student would know which killer came after them, do they sleep in the same area again? But do they dare say anything? Does Freddy state openly thatt Jason came after him, without revealing who he is? Etc etc. I think it might add some excitement to a students decisions to know while the Killer does not. Cuz by giving it away the other killer may target them

Of course it could simply have been Secondary target too...

Should the miss message then note whether the kill attempt was a primary or secondary attack?

I like adding more information as long as it doesn't overpower the game.

My goal in this game is that the killers want to be real careful to survive but at the same time they can't sit back as they need to get the most kills.

I had a thought. We could make the vote not be a kill vote but simply a witch hunt so to speak.

For example, the players vote to test a player and then they can either put them near the fire to test for Freddy or put them in the water to test for Jason. The player tested in not killed.

It will allow players to stay alive longer in the game which I believe is more fun. Thoughts?

Shades of The Thing game... How long do you want the game to last? Thats actually more powerful info and its public and proven