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Posted: **Sun Sep 18, 2022 7:30 pm**

hepcat wrote: ↑Sun Sep 18, 2022 7:23 pm He’s not going to understand because the moment there’s a majority sentiment on OO it triggers his fight response.

Pretty sure Carpet pissr's response was for you, not me.

Posted: **Sun Sep 18, 2022 7:32 pm**

hepcat wrote: ↑Sun Sep 18, 2022 7:16 pm How does using frightened immigrants this way solve anything? Do you think the best way to solve school shootings is to shoot more children too?

I think it may be to spread school shootings around so people grasp what a problem school shootings are.

Posted: **Sun Sep 18, 2022 7:33 pm**

YellowKing wrote: ↑Sun Sep 18, 2022 7:29 pm It's incredibly tough to admit to yourself that you're on the wrong side of not only history, but of simple decent humanity.

I fail to see how moving people from a place that doesnt want them to a place that does is not ultimately in their best interest.

Posted: **Sun Sep 18, 2022 7:43 pm**

stimpy wrote: ↑Sun Sep 18, 2022 5:47 pm
YellowKing wrote: ↑Sun Sep 18, 2022 3:41 pm And as usual from the party that hates immigrants, they have no actual solution. They're just good at pointing fingers, creating messes, stickin' it to libs with childish stunts, etc. The only solutions I've seen from the right are build a giant fucking wall like something a toddler would come up with, or stick 'em in cages.
And what exactly is the solution the Dems have come up with in the 2+ years of Biden being in charge?

Oh now this horseshit. They don't have any ideas! This is childish. BIden had an entire platform for it. There have been multiple attempts to push forward frameworks. Before you next prove Mark Twain right again how about you at least do the bare minimum for yourself. Then think out the next step which is ask yourself why we never hear about anything except for these childish stunts.

Posted: **Sun Sep 18, 2022 7:46 pm**

stimpy wrote: ↑Sun Sep 18, 2022 7:33 pm I fail to see how moving people from a place that doesnt want them to a place that does is not ultimately in their best interest.

I think the disconnect is in understanding how this happened. These people (including infants) were tricked into relocating thousands of miles away with the promise of jobs and shelter. Nothing was arranged; nothing was coordinated. They were literally shuffled onto a bus and dropped off in residential areas.

"Ultimate best interests" doesn't even begin to enter the conversation here. This was and continues to be a political stunt. It's beyond gross and I genuinely hope DeSantis' legacy hangs on this inhumane act.

Greg Abbott is already a human sack of crap; his legacy is already cemented.

Posted: **Sun Sep 18, 2022 7:47 pm**

stimpy wrote: ↑Sun Sep 18, 2022 7:30 pm
hepcat wrote: ↑Sun Sep 18, 2022 7:23 pm He’s not going to understand because the moment there’s a majority sentiment on OO it triggers his fight response.
Pretty sure Carpet pissr's response was for you, not me.

Thank you for proving my point.

Posted: **Sun Sep 18, 2022 7:50 pm**

Smoove_B wrote: ↑Sun Sep 18, 2022 7:46 pm
stimpy wrote: ↑Sun Sep 18, 2022 7:33 pm I fail to see how moving people from a place that doesnt want them to a place that does is not ultimately in their best interest.
I think the disconnect is in understanding how this happened. These people (including infants) were tricked into relocating thousands of miles away with the promise of jobs and shelter. Nothing was arranged; nothing was coordinated. They were literally shuffled onto a bus and dropped off in residential areas.

"Ultimate best interests" doesn't even begin to enter the conversation here. This was and continues to be a political stunt. It's beyond gross and I genuinely hope DeSantis' legacy hangs on this inhumane act.

Greg Abbott is already a human sack of crap; his legacy is already cemented.

Also, the more racist DHS elements forged destinations for these folks at random shelters and set up fake appointments for them to generate the paperwork to shuttle them. None of these people ended up at those locations. But yeah - "best interests". It's preposterous to think that this was in good faith in any way.

Posted: **Sun Sep 18, 2022 7:54 pm**

SmooveB wrote:I think the disconnect is in understanding how this happened. These people (including infants) were tricked into relocating thousands of miles away with the promise of jobs and shelter. Nothing was arranged; nothing was coordinated. They were literally shuffled onto a bus and dropped off in residential areas.

There's no disconnect. They know exactly what they're doing. Nobody's buying the good samaritan act.

Posted: **Sun Sep 18, 2022 7:55 pm**

malchior wrote: ↑Sun Sep 18, 2022 7:50 pm Also, the more racist DHS elements forged destinations for these folks at random shelters and set up fake appointments for them to generate the paperwork to shuttle them. None of these people ended up at those locations. But yeah - "best interests". It's preposterous to think that this was in good faith in any way.

Are you saying Biden appointed a racist to head DHS?
Well that sucks.

Posted: **Sun Sep 18, 2022 7:59 pm**

And you continue to prove my point.

Posted: **Sun Sep 18, 2022 8:01 pm**

I eagerly await the sanctions from the head of the DHS brought down upon those in charge of tricking the migrants

Posted: **Sun Sep 18, 2022 8:19 pm**

Posted: **Sun Sep 18, 2022 8:23 pm**

Jaymann wrote: ↑Sun Sep 18, 2022 8:19 pm

Is that the next group of migrants pulling up to Mathas Vineyard?

Posted: **Sun Sep 18, 2022 10:07 pm**

Jaymann wrote: ↑Sun Sep 18, 2022 1:30 pm
LawBeefaroni wrote: ↑Sun Sep 18, 2022 12:38 pm
Kraken wrote: ↑Sun Sep 18, 2022 12:20 pm
hepcat wrote: ↑Sun Sep 18, 2022 9:55 am
malchior wrote: ↑Sun Sep 18, 2022 8:10 am Those places aren't shocked because they have to help them. They are shocked because leaders are shipping humans to other places like cattle to make cheap political points.
+1

The use of human beings as tools for a political stunt is dehumanizing and horrid. But it's also setting a dangerous new level in partisan pettiness. What's next?
A letter to the editor of the Tampa Bay Times suggested that perhaps, with cold weather coming on, northern states should start busing their homeless populations to Florida, where the weather is nice.
They'll just send them to California.
I remember that Palm Springs used to round up homeless people and bus them like 50 miles away. They would usually return by the next day for rinse and repeat. Have no idea if this is still happening.

The other letter writers were pissed off that Desantis found $12 million to fund his stunt but refuses to give raises to FL teachers.

stimpy wrote: ↑Sun Sep 18, 2022 5:47 pm
YellowKing wrote: ↑Sun Sep 18, 2022 3:41 pm And as usual from the party that hates immigrants, they have no actual solution. They're just good at pointing fingers, creating messes, stickin' it to libs with childish stunts, etc. The only solutions I've seen from the right are build a giant fucking wall like something a toddler would come up with, or stick 'em in cages.
And what exactly is the solution the Dems have come up with in the 2+ years of Biden being in charge?

Biden's plan was to attack the root causes of emigration in Central and South America: corruption, gang violence, poverty...it was a logical idea, insofar as ordinary people don't WANT to flee their homes unless they have no other choice. Unfortunately, the authoritarian regimes driving all that didn't want to reform, and that effort has plainly failed. His other plan was to hand it off to Harris, I guess to deflect blame?

IDK what Plan B might be, but they're going to have to come up with one since Plan A failed and Dems and Reps are incapable of working together on real immigration reform.

Posted: **Mon Sep 19, 2022 12:54 am**

FWIW my comment was not directed toward anyone in particular (does it matter?).

I think you both (or more) were talking about solutions to the immigration problem (or lack thereof) and this particular act has absolutely nothing to do with that. IMO. It’s lib rage/tears porn for the MAGATs.

I also agree with whoever mentioned upthread that considering the systemic problems we have as a country right now…immigration pales in comparison.

Don’t remember the actual numbers, but I’ve seen them before: the financial burden, job loss, or whatever boogeyman problem Fox News loves to peddle about immigration are GREATLY exaggerated.

Posted: **Mon Sep 19, 2022 1:02 am**

The core problem on immigration is that it's a situation where demand for immigration to the United States vastly exceeds the supply of legal immigration spots. Artificially restricting the supply of immigration spots creates a black market for immigration, as that type of thing tends to do. Improving conditions in home countries will help, but that's something that's not really within our control - we can help, but only have limited control on the outcome.

The only fix that's really within our control is the same response to other black markets - legalize and regulate it. Vastly increase the number of legal immigration spots, create guest worker programs that will facilitate workers coming back and forth seasonally as they used to do before we made that impossible, and stuff like that. But that's politically radioactive.

Posted: **Mon Sep 19, 2022 5:21 am**

El Guapo wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 1:02 am The core problem on immigration is that it's a situation where demand for immigration to the United States vastly exceeds the supply of legal immigration spots. Artificially restricting the supply of immigration spots creates a black market for immigration, as that type of thing tends to do. Improving conditions in home countries will help, but that's something that's not really within our control - we can help, but only have limited control on the outcome.

The only fix that's really within our control is the same response to other black markets - legalize and regulate it. Vastly increase the number of legal immigration spots, create guest worker programs that will facilitate workers coming back and forth seasonally as they used to do before we made that impossible, and stuff like that. But that's politically radioactive.

I do kind of blame the current administration for not getting these sorts of facts out more. Grandpa Joe spoke the truth about fascism and MAGA, and that went over reasonably well. How about being your own hype man like Cheetolino used to do, and calling the MAGAts out for what they're doing with these immigrants?

Posted: **Mon Sep 19, 2022 10:37 am**

Oh look

!!! a fake brochure promising eight months cash assistance, food, job training/placement, help with housing + more was given to migrants who were lured by @GovRonDeSantis into boarding a flight to martha’s vineyard.

Article here.

Posted: **Mon Sep 19, 2022 9:39 pm**

“I feel fortunate the governor put me on a bus to Washington,” Alejos said. “It opened up doors for me.”.

Posted: **Mon Sep 19, 2022 9:46 pm**

Defending heinous acts since 2005.

Posted: **Mon Sep 19, 2022 9:58 pm**

Jaymann wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 9:46 pm Defending heinous acts since 2005.

Please show me where I defend it (I know you wont/cant).
My first post pertaining to this was to show how the cities that claimed to welcome migrants came up woefully short when actually faced with doing it.

Then I brought up that maybe, just maybe, the migrants would end up in a better situation as a result of being moved from states that dont want them or cant support them, to states that claimed they do want and can support them.

Then I posted one instance of that.

You guys make me laugh sometimes. But keep doing you.

Posted: **Mon Sep 19, 2022 10:07 pm**

This thread is 3 pages long.
I have 14 posts in it.
Not that hard to show where I 'defended" what Texas and Florida are doing.
Unless....of course....I didnt/dont.

Posted: **Mon Sep 19, 2022 10:13 pm**

If you’ve had to post 14 times to argue with people claiming that this was an awful stunt by DeSantis….well… I think you have your answer.

Posted: **Mon Sep 19, 2022 10:26 pm**

hepcat wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 10:13 pm If you’ve had to post 14 times to argue with people claiming that this was an awful stunt by DeSantis….well… I think you have your answer.

Sigh.......
Again.....please, please take 90 seconds to go back and point out 1, just 1, instance where I argued with anyone about the morality of the act of shipping the migrants out of 1 state to another vs arguing about the ineptitude of the "welcoming" states they were sent to, and all of the perspectives of what you all think I think.

Posted: **Mon Sep 19, 2022 10:31 pm**

Every single argumentative response to people pointing out this was cruel and inhumane should suffice.

And then there’s statements like this:

So they are better off in Massachusetts then? Thanks for proving my point.

I fail to see how moving people from a place that doesnt want them to a place that does is not ultimately in their best interest.

Posted: **Mon Sep 19, 2022 10:32 pm**

stimpy wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 9:58 pm Please show me where I defend it (I know you wont/cant).

This one's easy, I got it.

stimpy wrote: Then I brought up that maybe, just maybe, the migrants would end up in a better situation as a result of being moved from states that dont want them or cant support them, to states that claimed they do want and can support them.

Posted: **Mon Sep 19, 2022 10:33 pm**

hepcat wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 10:31 pm Every single argumentative response to people pointing out this was cruel and inhumane should suffice.
JESUS on a CRACKER......quote one!!!!!

And then there’s statements like this:

So they are better off in Massachusetts then? Thanks for proving my point.

The video I was responding to showed the speaker saying that Massachusetts welcomed them and had their backs.
Does Texas? Florida?

Posted: **Mon Sep 19, 2022 10:35 pm**

None of those quotes show me defending the act of sending the migrants to other states, just the possibility that AFTER THE FACT, they may ultimately end up better off.

Posted: **Mon Sep 19, 2022 10:35 pm**

Show me where you previously comdemned the migrants being bussed around like cattle for a political stunt. Even your very recent “come to Jesus” moment was quantified with a “prove I defended it!” and not a “it was wrong”.

Posted: **Mon Sep 19, 2022 10:36 pm**

hepcat wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 10:35 pm Show me where you previously comdemned the migrants being bussed around like cattle for a political stunt.

Show me where I defended it.

Posted: **Mon Sep 19, 2022 10:36 pm**

I can welcome you to my home but still get pissed off the first time you show up unannounced and unexpected. Especially if hepcat is the one who drops you off without telling me.

It’s rude, asshole behavior. I would expect better from my children. But I’m trying to make the world a better place by not raising selfish, entitled dickheads.

Posted: **Mon Sep 19, 2022 10:36 pm**

Alefroth wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 10:32 pm
stimpy wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 9:58 pm Please show me where I defend it (I know you wont/cant).
This one's easy, I got it.

stimpy wrote: Then I brought up that maybe, just maybe, the migrants would end up in a better situation as a result of being moved from states that dont want them or cant support them, to states that claimed they do want and can support them.

You aint got shit.

Posted: **Mon Sep 19, 2022 10:37 pm**

Zarathud wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 10:36 pm I can welcome you to my home but still get pissed off the first time you show up unannounced and unexpected. Especially if hepcat is the one who drops you off without telling me.

Best, most relatable, reply yet.

Posted: **Mon Sep 19, 2022 10:38 pm**

stimpy wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 10:36 pm
hepcat wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 10:35 pm Show me where you previously comdemned the migrants being bussed around like cattle for a political stunt.
Show me where I defended it.

I already did. As have others. Your turn.

Posted: **Mon Sep 19, 2022 10:38 pm**

stimpy wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 9:58 pm
Jaymann wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 9:46 pm Defending heinous acts since 2005.
Please show me where I defend it.

You just posted a link claiming migrants were better off after being deceived, completely ignoring the morality and illegality of the deception. A shitty defense to be sure, but defending nonetheless.

Posted: **Mon Sep 19, 2022 10:41 pm**

stimpy wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 10:35 pm None of those quotes show me defending the act of sending the migrants to other states, just the possibility that AFTER THE FACT, they may ultimately end up better off.

Here they have a lot of fun
Puttin' trouble on the run
Man, you find the old and young
Twistin' the night away
They're twistin', twistin'
Everybody's feelin' great
They're twistin', twistin'
They're twistin' the night away

Posted: **Mon Sep 19, 2022 10:43 pm**

Jaymann wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 10:38 pm
stimpy wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 9:58 pm
Jaymann wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 9:46 pm Defending heinous acts since 2005.
Please show me where I defend it.
You just posted a link claiming migrants were better off after being deceived, completely ignoring the morality and illegality of the deception. A shitty defense to be sure, but defending nonetheless.

No. I posted a video of 1 person saying THEY were better off because of being moved from a place that didnt/doesnt afford them opportunity to a state that may/did.

Not defending or endorsing anything.

Can we change the thread title to "All Things Stimpy", because once again you guys make it all about me.

Posted: **Mon Sep 19, 2022 10:52 pm**

You know as well as anyone that your goal with most (if not all) of your posts on R&P are to start arguments. You’ve admitted as much in the past. So I’m always confused when you claim you're a victim after you’ve gotten what you want.

Posted: **Mon Sep 19, 2022 10:57 pm**

hepcat wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 10:52 pm You know as well as anyone that your goal with most (if not all) of your posts on R&P are to start arguments. You’ve admitted as much in the past. So I’m always confused when you claim you're a victim after you’ve gotten what you want.

Or maybe you guys think you always know what my intentions are and are sometimes..............wrong?
My initial post was about Chicago and what they did when the migrants arrived.
How is that starting an argument about anything?

Posted: **Mon Sep 19, 2022 11:06 pm**

stimpy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 19, 2021 2:17 pm Someone has to be counterpoint to all the one-sidedness in this forum.

I've elected myself and there are no term limits.

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