Re: Too soon to start thinking about 2024?
Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2023 12:13 pm
He wants the power to give the final yea or nay.
That is not dead which can eternal lie, and with strange aeons bring us some web forums whereupon we can gather
https://octopusoverlords.com/forum/
Former Texas Rep. Will Hurd speaks during the Iowa Faith and Freedom Coalition Spring Kick-Off Saturday, April 22, 2023, in Clive, Iowa. Hurd, a onetime CIA officer and fierce critic of Donald Trump, announced on Thursday that he's running for president, hoping to build momentum as a more moderate alternative to the Republican primary field's early front-runner. (AP Photo/Charlie Neibergall, File)
WASHINGTON (AP) — Former Texas congressman Will Hurd, a onetime CIA officer and fierce critic of Donald Trump, announced Thursday that he’s running for president, hoping to build momentum as a more moderate alternative to the Republican front-runner.
Since announcing his campaign on Nov. 15 last year, Trump has held fewer than 30 in-person campaign events, according to an Axios review.
https://www.axios.com/2023/07/01/trump- ... ign-eventsTop Trump campaign officials have said part of the reason he is not holding many rallies is because they are expensive.
The whole Presidential run is about launching his anti-vaccination nonsense into the stratosphere with respect to fleecing donors.On Friday NYT got ahold of RFK Jr's SEC filings and did a piece on his income.
Looks like RFK has earned nearly $2.25 million in 2021 for fighting against vaccines:
$1.6 million in consulting fees for his suit against the Gardasil HPV vaccine.
$516k from his 'charity'.
$125k for his ghost-written conspiracy-laden "books" that are ultimately about promoting RFK Jr among the anti-science crowd.
His 'charity', Children's Health Defense, pulled in a whopping $15.6 MILLION. in revenue in 2021. 2020? $6.9million.
Between 2020 and 2021, the revenues by Children's Health Defense went from $6.9 million to $15.6 million.
Looks like the pandemic was very lucrative for anti-vaccine propogators. The obscenely rich pushers of misinformation are even richer.
When you see the arguments about following the money, while you mindlessly support someone like RFKJr and Children's Health Defense...
Follow THEIR money.
Unfortunately you're probably not rich enough to get away with it.Carpet_pissr wrote: ↑Sun Jul 02, 2023 3:53 pm Man, I should probably start a "charity" also!
Great passive income source I bet, and probably a pre-requisite for the modern oligarch.
Not to mention the tax benes, the rep boost, etc etc. Is there even a downside? You have to gladhand the poors once a year maybe? Give a speech for a fundraiser?
Or come from the right bloodline. Though the two are more and more becoming the same thing due to the reactionary nature of economic and political policy in the United States!El Guapo wrote: ↑Wed Jul 05, 2023 11:34 amUnfortunately you're probably not rich enough to get away with it.Carpet_pissr wrote: ↑Sun Jul 02, 2023 3:53 pm Man, I should probably start a "charity" also!
Great passive income source I bet, and probably a pre-requisite for the modern oligarch.
Not to mention the tax benes, the rep boost, etc etc. Is there even a downside? You have to gladhand the poors once a year maybe? Give a speech for a fundraiser?
Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez has endorsed President Joe Biden‘s reelection campaign, sending a strong sign of Democratic unity from one of the party’s most liberal members.
“I think he’s done quite well, given the limitations that we have,” Ocasio-Cortez said on the “Pod Save America” podcast Thursday. “I do think that there are ebbs and flows.”
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She endorsed Sen. Bernie Sanders of Vermont in the 2020 Democratic presidential primary and demurred in an interview last year when asked if she would support the incumbent president in 2024.
Biden is facing nominal primary challenges for next year’s election in self-help author Marianne Williamson and anti-vaccine activist Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
Ocasio, when asked about whether she’d support Biden, said: “I believe, given that field, yes.”
It is as funny as you'd think, and also says a LOT about what the US would look like if he were President...Page Six regrets to report that a press dinner to boost Robert F. Kennedy Jr.’s presidential campaign descended into a foul bout of screaming and polemic farting Tuesday night
That was absolutely worth reading.Pyperkub wrote: ↑Thu Jul 13, 2023 11:24 am And on the puppet candidacy front...
It is as funny as you'd think, and also says a LOT about what the US would look like if he were President...Page Six regrets to report that a press dinner to boost Robert F. Kennedy Jr.’s presidential campaign descended into a foul bout of screaming and polemic farting Tuesday night
When asked to comment about his, er, outburst the next day, Dechert told us: “I apologize for using my flatulence as a medium of public commentary in your presence.”
(He also asked us to refer to him either as a “gallivanting boulevardier” or a “beer-fueled sex rocket.”)
The New York Post has the video of his statements; Roll 1D20 SAN loss if you watch it."There is an argument that it is ethnically targeted," Kennedy said of the virus, according to the Post. "COVID-19 attacks certain races disproportionately... COVID-19 is targeted to attack Caucasians and black people. The people who are most immune are Ashkenazi Jews and Chinese."
Kennedy added that "we don’t know whether it was deliberately targeted or not but there are papers out there that show the racial or ethnic differential and impact."
That shouldn't be a serious question after 2016, but in case it is.
Also as far as I'm aware, the thing that he's most known for (aside from his last name) is his anti-vax views, and sadly there is a constituency (albeit not massive) for that among left-wing voters.Defiant wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 3:11 pmThat shouldn't be a serious question after 2016, but in case it is.
He's not really viable - his numbers are mostly from those who recognize the name who know nothing about his views and anti-establishment people who will vote for any alternative to Biden (some voters may actually support his views, but not a lot, at least, not among Democrats) . And if, say, Biden were to have to drop out, you would see at least one (and likely a bunch) of more serious candidates step in.
I wouldn't go quite that far - on some issues, he does support typical Democratic stances - for example, he does support the environment, and he did criticize the Supreme Court's decision on Affirmative Action. It's just that he has a lot of crazy stances, too.
Maybe? I think we'd need to see the kind of general election campaign he runs to tell (also, we'd have to see the kind of campaign the Republican runs). Although he probably only gets 1-2%, so it'll probably only matter if the race is close (which it probably will be again).If Trump doesn't run (perhaps because he's in jail) and RFK Jr still puts himself out there as a third-party candidate, wouldn't he likely siphon more votes from a DeSantis/Scott/Haley GOP ticket than from Biden?
Couldn't this be said of someone like Jill Stein as well, though? (In fact, isn't Stein part of RFK Jr's campaign?)Defiant wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 11:36 pmI wouldn't go quite that far - on some issues, he does support typical Democratic stances - for example, he does support the environment, and he did criticize the Supreme Court's decision on Affirmative Action. It's just that he has a lot of crazy stances, too.
Sure, except that I'm not sure you could call Jill Stein a Democrat in name, considering that she doesn't call herself a Democrat. But sure, ideologically, the positions she pushes are closer to Democrats (maybe even more than RFK's) , even though her actions, like his, are much more likely to help Republicans.Holman wrote: ↑Sun Jul 16, 2023 3:58 pmCouldn't this be said of someone like Jill Stein as well, though? (In fact, isn't Stein part of RFK Jr's campaign?)Defiant wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 11:36 pmI wouldn't go quite that far - on some issues, he does support typical Democratic stances - for example, he does support the environment, and he did criticize the Supreme Court's decision on Affirmative Action. It's just that he has a lot of crazy stances, too.
Imagine a Trump v RFK election it would be Dr Evil v Fart Bastard. Idiocracy awaits us at this point - is this any different to where Congress is clearly going?Pyperkub wrote: ↑Thu Jul 13, 2023 11:24 am And on the puppet candidacy front...
It is as funny as you'd think, and also says a LOT about what the US would look like if he were President...Page Six regrets to report that a press dinner to boost Robert F. Kennedy Jr.’s presidential campaign descended into a foul bout of screaming and polemic farting Tuesday night
We need to ensure that we elect administrations who will keep to that second bill of rights.
We have come to a clear realization of the fact that true individual freedom cannot exist without economic security and independence. "Necessitous men are not free men." People who are hungry and out of a job are the stuff of which dictatorships are made.
To the party support:With the 2024 presidential race potentially pitting a current and former president against each other and more than a dozen other candidates officially seeking their party's presidential nomination, voters are evenly split about voting for a third-party candidate, with 47 percent saying they would consider voting for a third-party candidate in the 2024 presidential election and 47 percent say they would not consider it, according to a Quinnipiac (KWIN-uh-pe-ack) University national poll released today.
Independents say more than 2 to 1 (64 - 30 percent) that they would consider voting for a third-party candidate in the 2024 presidential election while Democrats (61 - 35 percent) and Republicans (57 - 38 percent) say they would not consider it.
The race for the Republican presidential nomination is largely unchanged from a June 14 Quinnipiac University poll. Former President Donald Trump receives 54 percent support among Republican and Republican leaning voters followed by Florida Governor Ron DeSantis with 25 percent support.
Between the two:The race for the Democratic presidential nomination is also largely unchanged from a month ago. President Joe Biden receives 71 percent support among Democratic and Democratic leaning voters, Robert F. Kennedy Jr., an environmental lawyer and anti-vaccine activist receives 14 percent support and Marianne Williamson, an author, receives 7 percent support.
President Biden leads former President Trump 49 - 44 percent in a hypothetical general election matchup among registered voters. This is essentially unchanged from June, when Biden had a slight lead over Trump, 48 - 44 percent.
Polling has been historically accurate in the last two election cycles. The trouble has been that many elections keep running inside the margin of error reflecting the deeply polarized electorate. It's turned in to series of coin flips and people tend to think the polls are bad when the coin flip goes against *them*.
This is correct. Plus we have the electoral college that our wise founding fathers handed us, which further makes this less predictable because it doesn't just matter how many votes a candidate gets, but also matters how the votes are distributed. So in 2016 ending polls had Clinton with a material lead, and there was a polling error in Trump's favor, but not enough for him to win, *except* for ~ 100,000 votes spread across MI, WI, and PA.malchior wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 1:14 pmPolling has been historically accurate in the last two election cycles. The trouble has been that many elections keep running inside the margin of error reflecting the deeply polarized electorate. It's turned in to series of coin flips and people tend to think the polls are bad when the coin flip goes against *them*.
Yeah, between No Labels and Cornel West and others, the third party risk in 2024 is unfortunately high. My only comforts are that it's not clear whether they'll get significant traction, and a third party doesn't automatically take disproportionate votes from Biden - it also provides an outlet for partisan Republicans who have issues with Trump but can't bring themselves to vote for a democrat.
In the past there was the excuse that: "There is no difference between the two candidates." That is a pretty tough argument to make when one candidate is being tried as a seditious felon and has openly stated that when he wins he will take steps to install himself as dictator.Smoove_B wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 5:12 pm What's still insane is that after the 2016-2020 timeline, there's still so many people that can't be bothered to vote. I think that actually amazes me more than anything else. I just have such a hard time imagining being that disengaged - and I'm terminally cynical with politics.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Unit ... l_electionYellowKing wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 4:12 pm I was reading an article that traditionally third parties don't take a signifant amount of the vote in battleground states. Doesn't mean it's an impossibility, just that it's likely not as big a threat as you may think in the states that matter. Still, with today's polarization I don't take anything for granted.
Not sure what that will be like moving forward though. The state has become pretty polarized. And the SC of last 6+ years has rang clear about how important and lasting important votes are.Republican Donald Trump Mike Pence 2,279,543 47.25% 16
Democratic Hillary Clinton Tim Kaine 2,268,839 47.03% 0
Libertarian Gary Johnson William Weld 172,136 3.57% 0
Green Jill Stein Ajamu Baraka 51,463 1.07% 0
U.S. Taxpayers' Darrell Castle Scott Bradley 16,139 0.33% 0
Independent Evan McMullin (write-in) - 8,183 0.17% 0
Natural Law Mimi Soltysik Angela Nicole Walker 2,209 0.05% 0
- Others - 26,030 0.54% 0
Totals 4,824,542 100.00% 16