Werewolf 101 Wednesday - Chaosrendered

Grundbegriff · Post by **Grundbegriff** » Mon Oct 20, 2008 5:22 pm

stessier wrote:And you usually don't have such petty emotions. Normally you see the logic of the situation and pounce. Logic should tell you to test Chaos or Kraegor, not Semaj no matter how you feel about his claim.

But you've been lobbying for everyone to test you instead of Kraegor...

Does that mean you're not being logical? Or what?

Grundbegriff · Post by **Grundbegriff** » Mon Oct 20, 2008 5:24 pm

Remus West wrote:Now then, suppose we lynch one of the two people who are being pointed to as wolves by "seer" scan. That tells us something. It is also interesting that, rather than stand by your "seer" Semaj and push to lynch his wolf (Chaosraven), you turn on him and try to get him lynched. Why would you want to lynch a potential Seer rather than test them by their scan?

Because I have negative vibes about my PM interaction with Semaj and more favorable vibes about my PM interaction with stessier.

Gut, mi amigo. Gut.

Given his current behavior, my money is on Kraegor and Grundbegriff as the furry fiends.

That's not very nice.

Grundbegriff · Post by **Grundbegriff** » Mon Oct 20, 2008 5:25 pm

Semaj wrote:Like I said in that Pm Grund, if you were a wolf: bravo.

Shame it seems Steiss May have scanned your partner and outted you both.

At this point barring you guys pulling something out of your collective Derriers, tis all over but the tears.

Like I said, I'm willing to die to prove you a Fake Seer

Dude-- I'm not the Seer, and you know that... one way or another.

Grundbegriff · Post by **Grundbegriff** » Mon Oct 20, 2008 5:28 pm

Kraegor wrote:
Scoop20906 wrote:
Remus West wrote:Frankly, Kraegor's interpretation means nothing.
Unless Kraegor is the real seer. I want to hear what he has to say.
I fail to see how what I say is relevant. It's a binary problem with a 2 part solution. I'm the wolf. You should kill stessier to prove me, then lynch Grund.

Uhm.... OK. Now I'm convinced.

Kraegor

Semaj · Post by **Semaj** » Mon Oct 20, 2008 5:47 pm

Grundbegriff wrote:
Semaj wrote:Like I said in that Pm Grund, if you were a wolf: bravo.

Shame it seems Steiss May have scanned your partner and outted you both.

At this point barring you guys pulling something out of your collective Derriers, tis all over but the tears.

Like I said, I'm willing to die to prove you a Fake Seer
Dude-- I'm not the Seer, and you know that... one way or another.

Yupyup.

And if you pulled this as a villager I'ma be highly irritated. Like I said earlier.

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Mon Oct 20, 2008 6:12 pm

kraegor

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Mon Oct 20, 2008 6:50 pm

Kraegor

FWIW, I just tossed an accusation at growlbewolf behind the scenes to see what I could stir up.

Didn't expect a he said, were said, seer-off.

But rock on.

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Mon Oct 20, 2008 6:52 pm

Kraegor

Austin · Post by **Austin** » Mon Oct 20, 2008 7:26 pm

In class... can't count now...

Semaj · Post by **Semaj** » Tue Oct 21, 2008 4:26 am

stessier wrote: Against Kraegor(1): Scoop20906
Against Chaosraven(2): Grundbegriff, Semaj
Against mipe(1): mipe
Against purge(1): purge
Against stessier(1): stessier

No vote registered: Chaosraven, Kraegor, Remus West

Start of kraegor voting...
Scoop Withdraws - 0
Remus votes - 1
Grund votes - 2
Scoop Revotes - 3
Chaosraven votes - 4
Stessier votes - 5

Austin claims laziness on voting, which is closed and we now get a boilerplate and info on kraegor.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » Tue Oct 21, 2008 8:28 am

Semaj wrote:
Austin claims laziness on voting, which is closed and we now get a boilerplate and info on kraegor.

Not laziness so much as break ending and not wanting to be doing this during class.

Looks like voting is closed.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » Tue Oct 21, 2008 8:33 am

Kraegor smiled and whistled a happy tune as he was on his way to the gallows. (He was a happy sort and always in good cheer) As the floor dropped from under him, his neck snapped like a twig and he went still. "Looks like we missed again" someone said from the crowd.

It is Night, Seer sen...

"What was that?"

Suddenly Kraegor twitched and trembled. A clawed hand came swiping at Scoop and stopped just before contact. The sparkle of silver shone from a notch in a gallows support. Kraegor is dead and Kraegor was a werewolf.

It is night. Seer, send me your scan. Wolf - send me your kill.

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Tue Oct 21, 2008 8:36 am

Austin wrote:A clawed hand came swiping at Scoop and stopped just before contact. The sparkle of silver shone from a notch in a gallows support. Kraegor is dead and Kraegor was a werewolf.

That was close!

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Tue Oct 21, 2008 9:08 am

Scoop20906 wrote: That was close!

I thought I had measured that distance exactly.

Er, um...

purge · Post by **purge** » Tue Oct 21, 2008 12:50 pm

Gee, I wonder what's going to happen tonight.

Semaj · Post by **Semaj** » Tue Oct 21, 2008 1:23 pm

well this means me or grund are lying.

I dont care less what the order of kills is, but you all know it.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » Tue Oct 21, 2008 1:32 pm

Dawn approaches.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » Tue Oct 21, 2008 1:36 pm

Dawn came and the village was quiet; too quiet. Though a pleasant peaceful quiet, like an annoying buzz you hadn't realized was there, was now gone and things just felt better. Yes, the Raving had finally ceased; Chaosraven was eaten by a werewolf. Chaosraven is Dead.

There are 7, majority is 4. Vote at will.

Semaj · Post by **Semaj** » Tue Oct 21, 2008 1:39 pm

that a spite kill?

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Tue Oct 21, 2008 1:40 pm

This is going to be fun.

I scanned Grund last night. He is the Wolf.

This makes me a little sad because I really wanted a reason to lynch Semaj.

Grund

Semaj · Post by **Semaj** » Tue Oct 21, 2008 1:41 pm

Bah

I told you it was him
jerk

*slight edit from kill order announcement*

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Tue Oct 21, 2008 1:44 pm

Semaj wrote:Bah

I told you it was him
jerk

*slight edit from kill order announcement*

Like I was going to take your word for it?

Semaj · Post by **Semaj** » Tue Oct 21, 2008 1:45 pm

Whatever... I actually think most of the "trusted block" prolly figured grund had to go first today, meaning we only had 1 miss all game. I think thats a pretty solid game for the good guys considering our adversaries.

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Tue Oct 21, 2008 1:52 pm

Hey Remus,

Is your class still following the game? Did they get to see the little Seer/Were off yesterday?

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Tue Oct 21, 2008 1:56 pm

Grundbegriff

I don't give them constant updates and I took yesterday as a personal day so they missed out on that.

Semaj · Post by **Semaj** » Tue Oct 21, 2008 2:31 pm

Grundbegriff

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Tue Oct 21, 2008 3:18 pm

Stessier, I think you just shortened your life expectancy for the next few games.

Why oh why do only the good die young?

grundbegriff

Austin · Post by **Austin** » Tue Oct 21, 2008 3:20 pm

Stessier, Remus, Semaj, Scoop (4) against Grundbegriff.

Voting is closed.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » Tue Oct 21, 2008 3:25 pm

Stessier pointed an accusatory finger at Grundbegriff, "Him, he's a wolf! I saw it in a dream!"

Remus looked only slightly skeptical, "If you're the seer, why are you still alive?"

"I dunno, maybe Grund second guessed himself and maybe he saw the end and wanted to go to space."

"Yeah, good point" said Semaj."

So they took Grund and taught him how to control his powers and they all went off to fight the Cylons, and lived happily ever after.

The End

Village wins!

Seer = Stessier
Wolves = Grundbegriff and Kraegor

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Tue Oct 21, 2008 3:28 pm

WOO HOO!!

Go Team Venture!

ChrisGrenard · Post by **ChrisGrenard** » Tue Oct 21, 2008 3:31 pm

Yay for me being lazy and apparently looking like a seer!

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Tue Oct 21, 2008 3:32 pm

Scoop20906 wrote:Stessier, I think you just shortened your life expectancy for the next few games.

Why whatever do you mean kind Sir?

Mr Bubbles · Post by **Mr Bubbles** » Tue Oct 21, 2008 3:34 pm

yay for me being first killed. Semaj you owe me.

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Tue Oct 21, 2008 3:40 pm

Since I got a laugh out of it (and it looks like Scoop did too), this is what I sent to Grund last night -

stessier wrote:You can't win, Wolf. If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine.

I mean, I would never lie about being the mouthpiece for another. And if I did, I could never do it convincingly. Nor would I ever leave a code that a true Seer could reference to show the plan. What would be the point?

And, because I wanted to cover all my bases, this went to Semaj.

stessier wrote:You can't win, Wolf. If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine.

I mean, I'm not a very good player...hardly worth a scan. And I would never lie about being the mouthpiece for another. And if I did, I could never do it convincingly. Nor would I ever leave a code that a true Seer could reference to show the plan. What would be the point?

Notice the customization for each target.

I doubt it figured in very much to Grund's decision to let me live, but whatever the reason, I thank him. I haven't lived to the end of one of these...since my first game now that I think about it. Nice to finally break that streak.

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Tue Oct 21, 2008 3:42 pm

Mr Bubbles wrote:yay for me being first killed. Semaj you owe me.

That really was my lowest moment of the game. I was all ready to get scheming with you and bang, you're dead. Very rude of the wolves, really.

Semaj · Post by **Semaj** » Tue Oct 21, 2008 3:51 pm

How do I owe mister bubbles?

It's not like I was a viable target day 1 for a change, or night 1.

ok maybe I was, but I think most people expect me to die on day one or day 2 so it makes not killing me seem wiser

Ok I understood the fake seer gambit Grund. Had Steiss not scanned Krae you might have taken the obvious heat of Kraegor who was your best chance ot make it to end game.

What I dont understand was the killing of chaosraven.

Was it a spite thing?

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Tue Oct 21, 2008 3:52 pm

And Chaos should get most of the credit for winning this one. He and I had been PM'ing a bit and after I got Kraegor as a wolf, I went to him and said I was really suspecting Scoop and Grund as being wolves (the previous day I had said Remus and Grund). Without any prompting, he sent Grund

Chaosraven wrote:Yer busted.

And that started everything else. So three cheers for the Raving Master!

P.S.I really want to know what this looked like from the wolves angle. I hope Kraegor or Grund will indulge us.

Semaj · Post by **Semaj** » Tue Oct 21, 2008 3:56 pm

stessier: to Semaj wrote:I mean, I'm not a very good player...

I've never said you were a bad player steiss...

I just said if you and Mipe were the day 1 and 2 scans I'da called shenanigans. To me Grund/Chaos/Me make more sense as day 1 or 2 scans.

The other option is voting for people you expect to be around 3 or 4 days. Purge, You, Mipe.... Getting a trusted voting block.

I tend to look for wolves in games where the miss amount is lower. So thats why it made sense to me.

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Tue Oct 21, 2008 4:01 pm

Semaj wrote:I've never said you were a bad player steiss...

That was mostly thrown in there for the case where you were a wolf. I know you didn't say that, but being smug and rubbing in my obvious brilliant fake was just part of the role I was creating on the fly. No offense taken or anything like that.

I just said if you and Mipe were the day 1 and 2 scans I'da called shenanigans. To me Grund/Chaos/Me make more sense as day 1 or 2 scans.

The other option is voting for people you expect to be around 3 or 4 days. Purge, You, Mipe.... Getting a trusted voting block.

I tend to look for wolves in games where the miss amount is lower. So thats why it made sense to me.

All of this has been noted and added to your Rolodex file...er, I mean, interesting.

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Tue Oct 21, 2008 4:01 pm

Semaj wrote:
stessier: to Semaj wrote:I mean, I'm not a very good player...
I've never said you were a bad player steiss...

I just said if you and Mipe were the day 1 and 2 scans I'da called shenanigans. To me Grund/Chaos/Me make more sense as day 1 or 2 scans.

The other option is voting for people you expect to be around 3 or 4 days. Purge, You, Mipe.... Getting a trusted voting block.

I tend to look for wolves in games where the miss amount is lower. So thats why it made sense to me.

That is just silly. You previously said you expect to die early. That makes you a horrid scan choice for early on. Same with Grund, he is on a short life span (or should be) so scanning him is a waste since either the village or the wolves should kill him early. If your scan hits a wolf great but you want to avoid what happened to stessier and have your scans eaten the night you make them.