[2]A Walk in Wolf Woods - Game Over

[redrun]

After my "almost" win during the Bond game, I am highly insulted that I wasn't the first victim chosen by the baddies. I see I am still not receiving the respect I deserve.

Ok, so, Lassr is out. Well, at least I won't have to wonder what the heck he is up to this game. I can never read that guy.

Since we waited so long for this game to start, I'm ready to vote now.

Now, you'd think I'd vote Unagi since he blew the last game or I'd vote Stessier since he was the wolf last game and has it coming or I'd even vote Qantaga because he is most certainly DUE now however, I'm going to go another direction.

 Accuse redrun 
 
My gut says we test him.

-- Are you sure your gut isn't telling you that last night's burrito with anchoives and caramel sauce was a bad idea?

[Scoop20906]

Can the wolves turn a player and kill in the same night turn?

Good point. Looking at the rulez, I don't see why they can't do both. It all depends on what rolez are in the game which we have no idea. Since they got a kill last night its possible we are looking at 8 baddies right now. 5 wolves, sorcerer, witch, converted wolf. Thats a worse case buts its also creates a target semi-rich environment for today.

[Newcastle]

-- Let's start the discussion: Why Lassr?

 redrun 
 



for stealing my line!

/clears throat

"We really must wonder why Lassr though?"

[Chaosraven]

Wasn't there a kill-at-night Good Guy too?

[Chaosraven]

Trapper.

[Lagom Lite]

Wow, Scoop jumps out as evil.

 Scoop20906 
 


Descriptive, introverted, apologetic. "You'd think I'd do this, you'd think I'd do that, I'm going to do this. Awoo!"

[rshetts2]

well we are going to need some serious luck as villagers to win this one. With 5 wolves and the possibility of a convert and 2 evil humans being pulled from our ranks we could be facing 8 evil players right now. Those are pretty tough odds so we need to make our votes count. With this many players its going to be easy for wolves to hide in silence, so Im thinking our best hope is to be vocal and share information as much as possible. Also with that many potential evil players its going to be a lot easier for them to push the votes around. Good Luck fellow villagers, I think were going to need it.
Though I know claims of innocence tend to be viewed as wolf camo, Ill let you know right now, that I am not an evil player. Unfortunately, I have nothing to go on regarding the rest of you right now, except scoops post which seems a touch wolfish with the "I almost won last game singlehandedly with a pointed stick" dodge and the fact that he lays out suspects and then goes out to left field for his vote. Anyway, right now I have a good voting block of exactly one. Lets see if we can improve that a bit.

[theohall]

Since it's almost baseball season, how is this for left field?

 rshetts2 
 


No real reason. We just have to start somewhere and using the "I know it's wolfie to claim villager, but I will anyway" schtick deserves some kind of attention.

[RMC]

Scoop, why jump to accuse someone who is asking a great question?

I think that you are the one that needs to be checked. But I have learned a lesson, and will not jump on any band wagon of accusing until I have heard everyone out.

[Chaosraven]

Scoop, why jump to accuse someone who is asking a great question?

I think that you are the one that needs to be checked. But I have learned a lesson, and will not jump on any band wagon of accusing until I have heard everyone out.

you could be the idiot who jumps on a bandwagon, killing the guy before he gets a chance to respond...

[msteelers]

 Stessier 
 


Mostly because I wanted to shoot him last game, but was convinced he was good.

[LordMortis]

well we are going to need some serious luck as villagers to win this one. With 5 wolves and the possibility of a convert and 2 evil humans being pulled from our ranks we could be facing 8 evil players right now. Those are pretty tough odds so we need to make our votes count. With this many players its going to be easy for wolves to hide in silence, so Im thinking our best hope is to be vocal and share information as much as possible. Also with that many potential evil players its going to be a lot easier for them to push the votes around. Good Luck fellow villagers, I think were going to need it.
Though I know claims of innocence tend to be viewed as wolf camo, Ill let you know right now, that I am not an evil player. Unfortunately, I have nothing to go on regarding the rest of you right now, except scoops post which seems a touch wolfish with the "I almost won last game singlehandedly with a pointed stick" dodge and the fact that he lays out suspects and then goes out to left field for his vote. Anyway, right now I have a good voting block of exactly one. Lets see if we can improve that a bit.

Statistically, I don't buy it. But that may be because I would have been a wolf last game and there were four of us and none had powers.

The question is how useful will powers be when wolves can fake them and when there are potential bad guys in the human group. And how much more powerful will unnamed powers be in wolves hands as time goes by and they can pretend they have those powers more and more unchecked. That's going to hurt the humans considerably.

Which brings us to the always first day question that people despise, do we self out now? Do we not care about roles? Do we try and let people piece roles together at a later date?

Honestly, I like the idea of a selective day 2 outing unless our goal is to wait for useful information to come from the seer and keeping hush about everything else until the seer makes himself known.

[ChrisGrenard]

As I've been out of the loop so long, and I'm not the type to run a spreadsheet on each game, I'm going to refrain from voting initially unless my vote would actually help the day end.

So in other words, for today I'm fine being the last guy to hop on the bandwagon.

[redrun]

-- Let's start the discussion: Why Lassr?

 redrun 
 



for stealing my line!

/clears throat

"We really must wonder why Lassr though?"

-- <Raises hand> My name is Redrun and I'm a serial line stealer. <Everyone sez "Hello Redrun">

Why Lassr? I've rarely been in games with him, but it's been my impression that he's one of the analytical sorts who is good at this game, and good at presenting information for other players to use. I also get the impression that he dies early on a regular basis. All this means is that amoung five wolfs we've got at least one experienced player. So, my current best guess is that evil decided to take out someone they considered a powerful player.

[Scoop20906]

Descriptive, introverted, apologetic. "You'd think I'd do this, you'd think I'd do that, I'm going to do this. Awoo!"

Are you describing me or yourself, lagom?

[Scoop20906]

Trapper.

I misread this and thought the Trapper got a day kill (like a hunter). Ok, so it is possible that the baddies were blocked (by someone, there are alot of possibilities) and the Trapper killed one of the baddies last night too. Since the deceased role is not revealed we won't know which. Alot of what ifs. How useful is that?

[Lassr]

Dang. I keep waking up and it's still dark outside...

Seems I'm having a very hard time waking up now...

[ChrisGrenard]

Trapper.

I misread this and thought the Trapper got a day kill (like a hunter). Ok, so it is possible that the baddies were blocked (by someone, there are alot of possibilities) and the Trapper killed one of the baddies last night too. Since the deceased role is not revealed we won't know which. Alot of what ifs. How useful is that?

I can't imagine that one. I'm not super familiar with the roles, but the odds of that happening are like... 1/20 x 1/20 x 1/20. And that's if all of those roles even exist.

[tru1cy]

Another Mod question: Do the wolves learn the roles of their kills?

[Remus West]

Another Mod question: Do the wolves learn the roles of their kills?

No. If there is a Beta wolf then he could find out after the fact though the same way the Human side could find out if there is an Undertaker.

[redrun]

Can the wolves turn a player and kill in the same night turn?

-- I don't think so, as the wolves only get one attack a night and "Alpha Wolf – His lycanthropy is contagious. If someone survives being bitten by him they will become a werewolf themselves the following night."

Still, any good excuse to type the following:

 REMUS 
 

[Remus West]

Can the wolves turn a player and kill in the same night turn?

-- I don't think so, as the wolves only get one attack a night and "Alpha Wolf – His lycanthropy is contagious. If someone survives being bitten by him they will become a werewolf themselves the following night."

Still, any good excuse to type the following:

 REMUS 
 

Converting would replace the night kill.

[Scoop20906]

well we are going to need some serious luck as villagers to win this one. With 5 wolves and the possibility of a convert and 2 evil humans being pulled from our ranks we could be facing 8 evil players right now. Those are pretty tough odds so we need to make our votes count. With this many players its going to be easy for wolves to hide in silence, so Im thinking our best hope is to be vocal and share information as much as possible. Also with that many potential evil players its going to be a lot easier for them to push the votes around. Good Luck fellow villagers, I think were going to need it.
Though I know claims of innocence tend to be viewed as wolf camo, Ill let you know right now, that I am not an evil player. Unfortunately, I have nothing to go on regarding the rest of you right now, except scoops post which seems a touch wolfish with the "I almost won last game singlehandedly with a pointed stick" dodge and the fact that he lays out suspects and then goes out to left field for his vote. Anyway, right now I have a good voting block of exactly one. Lets see if we can improve that a bit.

Hey rhetts2. I was simply having fun with the fact that if people (or at least one person) had listened to me we would have won last game. Still, I think everyone should be viewed with suspicion at this given how many players could be evil at this point so you aren't on my "good" list. And, if you think I am a baddie then please feel free to put your vote on me. I will do the same for you.

That being said, my vote for redrun was simply to get the game rolling and to force people to post and place votes. I agree with you that with 19 players there is a ton of space for a silent wolf to hide. We should force anyone who is not active to get involved or face a bandwagon. It might not net a baddie today but it will give something to study later in the game.

Stessier was the final baddie in the Bond game and he was so damn careful with his posts that it made it difficult on the final day for me to convince Unagi he was the one. I want to push everyone to take a side on votes and post so we have something to work with when we make it to the final day.

[Scoop20906]

Scoop, why jump to accuse someone who is asking a great question?

I think that you are the one that needs to be checked. But I have learned a lesson, and will not jump on any band wagon of accusing until I have heard everyone out.

RMC, last game you proved you are not a noob so I'm giving you no benefit of the doubt going forward. I'd love to test you right now but I'm going to watch you for a bit and see how you act cause an "act" is exactly what you pulled last game and I'm watching for it.

[redrun]

That being said, my vote for redrun was simply to get the game rolling and to force people to post and place votes.

-- Damn. So I'm not the most evil thing since unsliced bread? Rats.

Then again, I'd rather vote for a wolf.  El Guapo 
 

El Guapo means "The Wolf", right?

[LordMortis]

I was simply having fun with the fact that if people (or at least one person) had listened to me we would have won last game.

We did win the last game. And the game before that. And the game before that. My memory gets hazy as to which games were won before that because it's been a long damned time but really, we almost never lose.

Go Team MiB! Go team Tru1cy! Go team Blade Runner! And soon it will be go team Humans! And I can think of at least one other player whom is probably human because he vowed I would die first when he came to the realization of how the winning side always chooses me to play for them.

[Scoop20906]

-- Let's start the discussion: Why Lassr?

 redrun 
 



for stealing my line!

/clears throat

"We really must wonder why Lassr though?"

-- <Raises hand> My name is Redrun and I'm a serial line stealer. <Everyone sez "Hello Redrun">

Why Lassr? I've rarely been in games with him, but it's been my impression that he's one of the analytical sorts who is good at this game, and good at presenting information for other players to use. I also get the impression that he dies early on a regular basis. All this means is that amoung five wolfs we've got at least one experienced player. So, my current best guess is that evil decided to take out someone they considered a powerful player.

I agree with you but just having at least one experienced player doesn't mean the rest aren't inexperienced players. I wouldn't be surprised if the baddies are mix.

Still, you've been pretty active, haven't you? And that's not what I expected from you when I placed my vote.

[Chaosraven]

Trapper.

I misread this and thought the Trapper got a day kill (like a hunter). Ok, so it is possible that the baddies were blocked (by someone, there are alot of possibilities) and the Trapper killed one of the baddies last night too. Since the deceased role is not revealed we won't know which. Alot of what ifs. How useful is that?

I can't imagine that one. I'm not super familiar with the roles, but the odds of that happening are like... 1/20 x 1/20 x 1/20. And that's if all of those roles even exist.

i doubt a Trapper would indicriminately kill on Night One, but was pointing out the possibility to a couple people who were wondering about Kill Plus Convert. If two people died, it would prove a Trapper existed and no protection worked. In the situation we have here (one kill), there are numerous possibilities and probabilities. Lassr was likely not the Coward, not Protected, etc. Occams Razor is that he was targeted to be killed and died. With confirmation from Remus that convert and kill are replacement effects, we should believe there is no Conversion Wolf, unless Trapper decided to kill Lassr.

[Chaosraven]

I was simply having fun with the fact that if people (or at least one person) had listened to me we would have won last game.

We did win the last game. And the game before that. And the game before that. My memory gets hazy as to which games were won before that because it's been a long damned time but really, we almost never lose.

Go Team MiB! Go team Tru1cy! Go team Blade Runner! And soon it will be go team Humans! And I can think of at least one other player whom is probably human because he vowed I would die first when he came to the realization of how the winning side always chooses me to play for them.

perhaps you misunderstood me. I complained that in a game with conversion, you and Remus snuggle up right away and leave me out in the cold. Bastards.

[Scoop20906]

Trapper.

I misread this and thought the Trapper got a day kill (like a hunter). Ok, so it is possible that the baddies were blocked (by someone, there are alot of possibilities) and the Trapper killed one of the baddies last night too. Since the deceased role is not revealed we won't know which. Alot of what ifs. How useful is that?

I can't imagine that one. I'm not super familiar with the roles, but the odds of that happening are like... 1/20 x 1/20 x 1/20. And that's if all of those roles even exist.

I'm not good with odds but yeah that scenario is unlikely.

[Scoop20906]

That being said, my vote for redrun was simply to get the game rolling and to force people to post and place votes.

-- Damn. So I'm not the most evil thing since unsliced bread? Rats.

Then again, I'd rather vote for a wolf.  El Guapo 
 

El Guapo means "The Wolf", right?

You want me to think you are evil?

Sounds like a zerker strategy.

[LordMortis]

perhaps you misunderstood me. I complained that in a game with conversion, you and Remus snuggle up right away and leave me out in the cold. Bastards.

There was no snuggling. It was vindictive. If was going down, I was going to take him with me. I'm a dick like that.

[LordMortis]

I snuggled with newcastle. But that was because he happened to be peeking at the time.

[Scoop20906]

I was simply having fun with the fact that if people (or at least one person) had listened to me we would have won last game.

We did win the last game. And the game before that. And the game before that. My memory gets hazy as to which games were won before that because it's been a long damned time but really, we almost never lose.

Go Team MiB! Go team Tru1cy! Go team Blade Runner! And soon it will be go team Humans! And I can think of at least one other player whom is probably human because he vowed I would die first when he came to the realization of how the winning side always chooses me to play for them.

Thats interesting. I wonder who you are trying to contact.

[LordMortis]

Thats interesting. I wonder who you are trying to contact.

Someone who's playing. Why do you wonder?

[Scoop20906]

Thats interesting. I wonder who you are trying to contact.

Someone who's playing. Why do you wonder?

At look at the possible roles points to you could be one of theses two...

# Gamma Wolf – Something tugs at his mind. He knows there is a presence out there just beyond his sight. Each night he searches for the source of that presence by scanning a player. If he scans the Sorcerer the Sorcerer will be given access to the wolf forum. If he scans the Seer the Seer will learn the identity of the Gamma wolf in place of his own scan. His scan will show only Sorcerer or Not Sorcerer.

# Sorcerer – Evil Human. He thinks he can control the lycanthropic fury around him and thus increase his own power. In order to protect what he views as his future power he searches for those that would oppose it. Each night he may scan one player. The results of his scan will show only Seer or Not Seer.

Of course you could just say, if I was a baddie, why would I expose myself like this? Correct?

[tru1cy]

time to start poking the quiet


 grundbegriff 
 



*yes I see the irony

[redrun]

Why Lassr? I've rarely been in games with him, but it's been my impression that he's one of the analytical sorts who is good at this game, and good at presenting information for other players to use. I also get the impression that he dies early on a regular basis. All this means is that amoung five wolfs we've got at least one experienced player. So, my current best guess is that evil decided to take out someone they considered a powerful player.

I agree with you but just having at least one experienced player doesn't mean the rest aren't inexperienced players. I wouldn't be surprised if the baddies are mix.

Still, you've been pretty active, haven't you? And that's not what I expected from you when I placed my vote.

-- I think your first sentence should start "I agree with you that having at least one experienced player doesn't..." I was pretty careful to state that all I was concluding is that amoung five wolves there was at least one experienced player.

-- Yeah, I'm active today. Do you have any idea how many game threads I've read in the past six months without being able to post? Just....watching.... as people fail to do the things that I knew needed to be done. Why, sometimes I was actually right... just think of what it would have meant if folks had followed my advice when it turned out to be right.

[Chaosraven]

time to start poking the quiet


 grundbegriff 
 



*yes I see the irony

[Chaosraven]

time to start poking the quiet


 grundbegriff 
 



*yes I see the irony

i think I just peed myself