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Re: Crew member fatally shot on set of Alec Baldwin movie
Posted: Fri Apr 21, 2023 2:18 pm
by dbt1949
The being a Colt Peacemaker would mean that you would have to remove the cartridges to see if they were blanks. Just opening the gun from the back would show cartridges in there but you wouldn't know if they were blanks or not.
Re: Crew member fatally shot on set of Alec Baldwin movie
Posted: Fri Apr 21, 2023 3:07 pm
by Rumpy
Max Peck wrote: ↑Fri Apr 21, 2023 2:07 pm
Rumpy wrote: ↑Fri Apr 21, 2023 1:22 pm
No doubt this is going to change the rules in the industry.
My bet is that it doesn't change the rules per se, because the rules weren't followed by the armorer who allowed live ammunition to find its way onto the set and into the weapon, or by the intermediary person (assistant director?) who physically handed the gun to Baldwin and told him it was safe. The existing rules work if people follow them, which is why this sort of incident is so rare in the film industry.
They would have to make it so that the rules are to be more strictly followed, is what I mean. Otherwise, if someone is not following the rules, they could find themselves out of a job and blacklisted and they'd have to answer to the Union.
Re: Crew member fatally shot on set of Alec Baldwin movie
Posted: Fri Apr 21, 2023 4:08 pm
by Blackhawk
dbt1949 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 21, 2023 2:18 pm
The being a Colt Peacemaker would mean that you would have to remove the cartridges to see if they were blanks. Just opening the gun from the back would show cartridges in there but you wouldn't know if they were blanks or not.
Which is why you mark your blanks - paint the primers, whatever.
Re: Crew member fatally shot on set of Alec Baldwin movie
Posted: Fri Apr 21, 2023 4:13 pm
by Blackhawk
Actually...
Given that there have also been 'object stuck in barrel propelled by blanks' shootings (see Brandon Lee), I'd think that a gram scale could solve lots of problems. Any projectile has significant weight. The armorer has a cart. That cart includes a PC and a scale. The gun is identified, set on the scale, and handed to the actor. If it isn't precisely what it should weigh for a full load of blanks, alerts go off. This would protect against even a single real round, and it would protect against anything lodged in the barrel.
Re: Crew member fatally shot on set of Alec Baldwin movie
Posted: Sat Apr 22, 2023 12:01 pm
by Carpet_pissr
Rumpy wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 6:23 pm
Octavious wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 4:40 pm
Honestly the person in charge of the weapons is the one that should be getting ripped apart.
They should not be allowed near a gun anymore.
LOL!
Re: Crew member fatally shot on set of Alec Baldwin movie
Posted: Sat Apr 22, 2023 1:07 pm
by Rumpy
Well, I'm glad you find it so funny.
Re: Crew member fatally shot on set of Alec Baldwin movie
Posted: Sat Apr 22, 2023 1:11 pm
by McNutt
ROFL!
Re: Crew member fatally shot on set of Alec Baldwin movie
Posted: Sat Apr 22, 2023 1:13 pm
by LawBeefaroni
ImLawBoy wrote: ↑Fri Apr 21, 2023 10:30 am
dbt1949 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 4:46 pm
Personally when I'm handed a gun I check to see if it's loaded even if somebody says it's not. But, that's just me.
Personally, I don't think I've ever been handed a gun (not a real one, anyway).
It's a fundamental rule: treat every gun as if it's loaded. No matter what. Someone told you it's not loaded? Doesnt matter. Until you check yourslf, it's loaded. It's on anyone handling a gun to know thst.
However, it's on anyone
handing someone a gun to be sure that they know that, along with the other fundamental rules. If they don't know that, don't hand them a gun. Even an actor.
Re: Crew member fatally shot on set of Alec Baldwin movie
Posted: Sat Apr 22, 2023 2:23 pm
by Jaymann
ROFLMAO
Re: Crew member fatally shot on set of Alec Baldwin movie
Posted: Sat Apr 22, 2023 2:27 pm
by Alefroth
LawBeefaroni wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 1:13 pm
ImLawBoy wrote: ↑Fri Apr 21, 2023 10:30 am
dbt1949 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 4:46 pm
Personally when I'm handed a gun I check to see if it's loaded even if somebody says it's not. But, that's just me.
Personally, I don't think I've ever been handed a gun (not a real one, anyway).
It's a fundamental rule: treat every gun as if it's loaded. No matter what. Someone told you it's not loaded? Doesnt matter. Until you check yourslf, it's loaded. It's on anyone handling a gun to know thst.
However, it's on anyone
handing someone a gun to be sure that they know that, along with the other fundamental rules. If they don't know that, don't hand them a gun. Even an actor.
Was the Rust gun supposed to be unloaded?
Re: Crew member fatally shot on set of Alec Baldwin movie
Posted: Sat Apr 22, 2023 2:34 pm
by Blackhawk
Alefroth wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 2:27 pm
LawBeefaroni wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 1:13 pm
ImLawBoy wrote: ↑Fri Apr 21, 2023 10:30 am
dbt1949 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 4:46 pm
Personally when I'm handed a gun I check to see if it's loaded even if somebody says it's not. But, that's just me.
Personally, I don't think I've ever been handed a gun (not a real one, anyway).
It's a fundamental rule: treat every gun as if it's loaded. No matter what. Someone told you it's not loaded? Doesnt matter. Until you check yourslf, it's loaded. It's on anyone handling a gun to know thst.
However, it's on anyone
handing someone a gun to be sure that they know that, along with the other fundamental rules. If they don't know that, don't hand them a gun. Even an actor.
Was the Rust gun supposed to be unloaded?
I've no idea. They were just rehearsing. They may or may not have been using blanks for the rehearsal. In any case, "check to see if it's loaded" would include making sure it's loaded with blanks if it's supposed to be (I've fired lots of 'blanks' in parades and demos over the years, although that was a black powder weapon, which works a little differently.) It gets more complicated in a film, which we've argued about in the past (is every extra in every war film supposed to completely unload and then reload every magazine, or is a professional armorer whose job it is to confirm that for them enough?)
Re: Crew member fatally shot on set of Alec Baldwin movie
Posted: Sat Apr 22, 2023 2:48 pm
by dbt1949
It would cost time but the best bet would be not to load anything until it was called for on the set.
Re: Crew member fatally shot on set of Alec Baldwin movie
Posted: Sat Apr 22, 2023 3:22 pm
by Alefroth
It seems like once an actor starts fiddling with a gun and removing and replacing rounds to see what kind they are, the gun would lose any clearance it may have had as a safe weapon.
Re: Crew member fatally shot on set of Alec Baldwin movie
Posted: Fri Feb 23, 2024 6:08 pm
by Isgrimnur
Night before 'Rust' shooting armorer smoked 'to get high,' texts show
New Mexico prosecutors on Friday showed jurors in the trial of "Rust" weapons handler Hannah Gutierrez texts in which she said she smoked to "get high" the night before the movie's cinematographer was fatally shot on set in October 2021.
In court filings, prosecutors have alleged Gutierrez's use of marijuana, cocaine and alcohol on evenings after filming may have led to her impairment at work on Oct. 21, 2021 when she mistakenly loaded a live round into a gun actor Alec Baldwin was rehearsing with. The texts shown Friday, the second day of testimony in the trial, did not specify a drug.
An expert witness brought by the prosecution who had analyzed texts from Gutierrez's phone testified Friday and showed texts in which she says at 7:48 pm on Oct. 20, 2021, "heading down to get high out back." Around half an hour later she texts "I'm still smoking."
Re: Crew member fatally shot on set of Alec Baldwin movie
Posted: Fri Feb 23, 2024 8:15 pm
by em2nought
Is it "orange man bad", or man who makes fun of orange man "bad".
Re: Crew member fatally shot on set of Alec Baldwin movie
Posted: Fri May 24, 2024 7:57 pm
by Isgrimnur
Alec Baldwin request to drop Rust manslaughter case denied
A US judge has denied a motion by Alec Baldwin to dismiss an involuntary manslaughter charge over a deadly film set shooting in 2021.
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Mr Baldwin's is scheduled to stand trial in July.
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In a Friday evening decision, Judge Sommer denied the request, dismissing the arguments that the grand jury process was prejudiced against the actor.