Werewolf 101 Wednesday - Chaosrendered

Austin · Post by **Austin** » Fri Oct 17, 2008 8:29 am

Good morning. Well not really good, unless you didn't like Chris Grenard - he's dead. Try to find out who killed him. There are 9, majority is 5.

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Fri Oct 17, 2008 8:39 am

Monday wrote: * Scoop# acc mipe(1)
* RevHempus# acc mipe(2)
* stessier acc RevHempus#(1)
mipe acc RevHempus#(2)
Remus West acc Semaj(1)
Semaj acc Remus West(1)
Chaosraven acc mipe(3)
mipe wd RevHempus#(1)
mipe acc mipe(4)
mipe wd mipe(3)
mipe acc Scoop#(1)
Semaj wd Remus West(0)
Semaj acc mipe(4)
Kraegor acc Scoop#(2)
Chaosraven wd mipe(3)
Remus West wd Semaj(0)
Remus West acc ChrisGrenard(1)
* ChrisGrenard acc Chaosraven(1)
* purge acc Kraegor(1)
Semaj wd mipe(2)
* Grundbegriff acc RevHempus#(2)
* Chaosraven acc RevHempus#(3)
* mipe acc RevHempus#(4)
Remus West wd ChrisGrenard(0)
* Remus West acc RevHempus#(5)
Kraegor wd Scoop#(0)
* Kraegor acc RevHempus#(6), killing him

Votes required to send someone back to basics: 6

Against mipe(2): Scoop#, RevHempus#
Against RevHempus(6): stessier, Grundbegriff, Chaosraven, mipe, Remus West, Kraegor
Against Chaosraven(1): ChrisGrenard
Against Kraegor(1): purge

No vote registered: Semaj

1. Remus West
2. Stessier
4. mipe
5. Scoop90210
6. Kraegor
7. Semaj
10. Chaosraving
11. Grundbegriff
12. Purge

3. Chris Grenard
8. Mr. Bubbles
9. Rev

Seer has 2 Scans

1 Seer + 0-2 Scans + 6-8 Unknown Possible

Obviously if the Seer has both wolves, they should tell us.
Wolves looking to snack on Seer : 1 in 7 chance (1 in 6 if nonwolf lynched today)

9 - 1 L = 8 Tuesday Night
8 - 1 K = 7 Wed Morning
7 - 1 L = 6 Wed Night
6 - 1 K = 5 Thu Day
5 - 1 L = 4 Thu Night

If both wolves survive thru to Thu Night, Village loses. If both wolves survive to Thu Day, it only takes only nincompoop to vote for a nonwolf to lose us this game.

We have 3 misses available at this point.

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Fri Oct 17, 2008 8:40 am

Currently inclined to vote for Kraegor or Chaosraven.

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Fri Oct 17, 2008 8:43 am

Remus West wrote:Currently inclined to vote for Kraegor or Chaosraven.

Will join you on the former.

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Fri Oct 17, 2008 11:06 am

Remus West wrote:Currently inclined to vote for Kraegor or Chaosraven.

Reasons for this inclination?

Kraegor · Post by **Kraegor** » Fri Oct 17, 2008 11:26 am

ChrisGrenard wrote:
Remus West wrote:Two things, first, the edit thing comes from a game in which Chris posted that he was the Seer then changed it later after a couple people saw the post. Then he later faked being the Seer (he was a wolf) and those that had read his post preedit stood by him. In between these two events Chaosraven was spending all his freetime telling us to lynch Chris due to the edit. Instead of doing this the village lynched Kraegor.

Second, I do believe I asked folks NOT to off him before he got a chance to speak. I guess I should have been clear about his work hours at the time I cast my vote but I did not expect anyone to do that after the last time Scoop did it and got yelled at so much.
Just as an FYI, lots of that game was due to luck and me lying my goddamn ass off, trying to make every slip seem plausible. Honestly, I was amazed at how long it did take for people to finally lynch me on that one, and I doubt it would ever happen again.

actually in that particular game... from beyond the grave Lassr accused me of being the worst player ever ... because Chris said so in a pm.... then they lynched you and then lynched me.... both on Chris' fake seer in-game recommendations... so I spose it was ralp/chris not ralph/chaos ... chaos had the shot at the game winner but decided to let ralph live...

Kraegor · Post by **Kraegor** » Fri Oct 17, 2008 11:36 am

Scoop20906 wrote:
Remus West wrote:Currently inclined to vote for Kraegor or Chaosraven.
Reasons for this inclination?

/shrug. ask him why a pm claiming seer scan makes that person the seer while yer at it... halfassed trusted block ftl! since the only way to trust the block, is to kill the seer, but he didn't mention that.... how many nightime contacts of "non-wolf" should the seer make before "the block" comes forward? is 2 more good enough for your schedule?

doubly interesting to me as Remus himself pointed out how chris previously exploited such a dynamic. of course chris was pm'd by the mentalist (lassr) but the comparison is still valid.

ChrisGrenard · Post by **ChrisGrenard** » Fri Oct 17, 2008 11:52 am

I'm not dead yet! I'm getting better!

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Fri Oct 17, 2008 12:00 pm

Kraegor wrote:
ChrisGrenard wrote:
Remus West wrote:Two things, first, the edit thing comes from a game in which Chris posted that he was the Seer then changed it later after a couple people saw the post. Then he later faked being the Seer (he was a wolf) and those that had read his post preedit stood by him. In between these two events Chaosraven was spending all his freetime telling us to lynch Chris due to the edit. Instead of doing this the village lynched Kraegor.

Second, I do believe I asked folks NOT to off him before he got a chance to speak. I guess I should have been clear about his work hours at the time I cast my vote but I did not expect anyone to do that after the last time Scoop did it and got yelled at so much.
Just as an FYI, lots of that game was due to luck and me lying my goddamn ass off, trying to make every slip seem plausible. Honestly, I was amazed at how long it did take for people to finally lynch me on that one, and I doubt it would ever happen again.

actually in that particular game... from beyond the grave Lassr accused me of being the worst player ever ... because Chris said so in a pm.... then they lynched you and then lynched me.... both on Chris' fake seer in-game recommendations... so I spose it was ralp/chris not ralph/chaos ... chaos had the shot at the game winner but decided to let ralph live...

Wrong again, I was the Medium in that game. Lassr accused you and gave us the "Seer" Grenard due to my seance. I was killed the next night. That was the great "I" am Innocent In all Instances happenIng game.

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Fri Oct 17, 2008 12:06 pm

Kraegor wrote:
Scoop20906 wrote:
Remus West wrote:Currently inclined to vote for Kraegor or Chaosraven.
Reasons for this inclination?
/shrug. ask him why a pm claiming seer scan makes that person the seer while yer at it... halfassed trusted block ftl! since the only way to trust the block, is to kill the seer, but he didn't mention that.... how many nightime contacts of "non-wolf" should the seer make before "the block" comes forward? is 2 more good enough for your schedule?

doubly interesting to me as Remus himself pointed out how chris previously exploited such a dynamic. of course chris was pm'd by the mentalist (lassr) but the comparison is still valid.

I did not say that the "scanned" could trust the Seer. I said the Seer had no reason not to contact his scan. The Seer can build a trusted block by sharing the names of the folks he scanned. If the Seer contacts joe day 1 then day 2 contacts me and tells me that joe and are innocent then gets eaten night 3 joe and I can be certain we are both innocent. Thereby building a trusted block. Sure, we can not trust the Seer until he is dead but he is still building the block.

Kraegor · Post by **Kraegor** » Fri Oct 17, 2008 12:06 pm

right, lassr as the MENTALIST... who contacted Chris... lassr then died...
you then did a seance on lassr... who typed up an expose on ME based on Chris claiming seer and scanning me as evil (i think)...

oh I spose you weren't lynched just night killed then?

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Fri Oct 17, 2008 12:08 pm

Kraegor wrote:right, lassr as the MENTALIST... who contacted Chris... lassr then died...
you then did a seance on lassr... who typed up an expose on ME based on Chris claiming seer and scanning me as evil (i think)...

oh I spose you weren't lynched just night killed then?

You will also recall that it was worse than that. tru1cy countered Chris' claim of Seer. They both shared their scans. Both claimed to have scan Zoltaire(?) who Chris had helped lynch but tru1cy had refused to lynch. tru1cy died the night after I did but they let Chris live another day after that.

Kraegor · Post by **Kraegor** » Fri Oct 17, 2008 12:10 pm

lol... well frustrating then but entertaining in hindsight, eh?

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Fri Oct 17, 2008 12:19 pm

Kraegor wrote:lol... well frustrating then but entertaining in hindsight, eh?

It allows me to be able to laugh at CR even in the face of his getting me to back off Rev in Scoop's game.

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Fri Oct 17, 2008 12:19 pm

Double post

purge · Post by **purge** » Fri Oct 17, 2008 12:22 pm

I am concerned that some other villagers have a lot of baggage from their previous residences.

STOP IT.

mipe · Post by **mipe** » Fri Oct 17, 2008 12:46 pm

Nobody

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Fri Oct 17, 2008 1:32 pm

Interesting to see all this discussion of past games and very little of the present one.

I am chomping at the bit place my first tuesday vote but instead I will wait ... for developments.

Kraegor · Post by **Kraegor** » Fri Oct 17, 2008 1:42 pm

If you don't understand the relevance you are not considering tactical implications.

So "sit back" and "he's due" is the extent of your contribution?

Semaj · Post by **Semaj** » Fri Oct 17, 2008 1:44 pm

alrighty....

i'm hungover and get to play: where the hell is my car?

I'm assuming still downtown next to the bar where I parked it... But still... ANYWAYS....

Gotta work today and tomorrow, 10-12 hour shifts... so dont expect much from me.

As for who is a baddie:

Against RevHempus(6): stessier, Grundbegriff, Chaosraven, mipe, Remus West, Kraegor

At least 1 person here is a baddie.

Thats all I got atm... I'll talk later after re-reading shit... (Much later, probably drunk

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Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Fri Oct 17, 2008 2:10 pm

Kraegor wrote:If you don't understand the relevance you are not considering tactical implications.

So "sit back" and "he's due" is the extent of your contribution?

Fair enough. You have effectively baited me in action.

Now can you elaborate on why you "Scooped" Rev? Even I was able to withhold me vote.

Kraegor wrote:edit = buyer beware.

at this point it's time to clear the logjam.

revhempus

might as well teach him to post more or die. gotta have a lurker cleansing every once and a while...

I'm looking for a clue here for why you killed Rev without allowing him to speak. I don't see one. Rev could have been our Seer. Looks like you just hurt the village. Since we have no one stepping forward with a Seer scan, this information is effective enough for a vote on you.
Vote Kraegor

You now have time to speak in your defense.

mipe · Post by **mipe** » Fri Oct 17, 2008 2:23 pm

There are 2 wolves, you need 5 votes to vote somebody off. Thinking that Scoop does put it theoratically to 3 votes, I can still vote... Kraegor

I'm curious too, why didn't you let Rev talk?

Kraegor · Post by **Kraegor** » Fri Oct 17, 2008 2:23 pm

/shrug

purge accuses me because I didn't support your mipe vote. thus effectively what? not supporting your vote as well.
now you accuse me for placing the last vote... thus preventing you from placing the last vote apparently.

regardless show me a time when rev has done more than passively react to anything. did you see someone running forward to claim a scan PM from Rev to save his life? has anyone come forward to inform us we've killed the seer? I straight up didn't care what rev had to say, he already did his threat matrix, thus I voted without counting. only thing left was seer claim.

so what's my crime? not getting there first? My patience is evident in waiting around for folks to vote for you.

interesting how you and purge are pushing ironic votes on me.

Kraegor · Post by **Kraegor** » Fri Oct 17, 2008 2:24 pm

mipe wrote:There are 2 wolves, you need 5 votes to vote somebody off. Thinking that Scoop does put it theoratically to 3 votes, I can still vote... Kraegor

I'm curious too, why didn't you let Rev talk?

I'm curious how you will flap whichever way the wind blows.

Kraegor · Post by **Kraegor** » Fri Oct 17, 2008 2:32 pm

Scoop20906 wrote: Vote Kraegor

You now have time to speak in your defense.

well, that's real big of you little.

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Fri Oct 17, 2008 2:38 pm

Interesting, but let us see where this goes.
Remus West

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Fri Oct 17, 2008 2:42 pm

Okkkkaaaayyy.

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Fri Oct 17, 2008 2:43 pm

Kraegor wrote:/shrug

purge accuses me because I didn't support your mipe vote. thus effectively what? not supporting your vote as well.
now you accuse me for placing the last vote... thus preventing you from placing the last vote apparently.

regardless show me a time when rev has done more than passively react to anything. did you see someone running forward to claim a scan PM from Rev to save his life? has anyone come forward to inform us we've killed the seer? I straight up didn't care what rev had to say, he already did his threat matrix, thus I voted without counting. only thing left was seer claim.

so what's my crime? not getting there first? My patience is evident in waiting around for folks to vote for you.

interesting how you and purge are pushing ironic votes on me.

I don't see your vote to kill Rev as a crime but a choice.

I had the opportunity and was online to vote and didn't so you didn't steal the kill vote from me.

Your explanation of Rev does not take into account that sometimes a special takes a low profile while he collects scans.

My reason for voting for you is that:
A) you were aware of the vote count against Rev.
B) you were aware that the votes had piled up against Rev and that he had not checked in yet
C) you were aware that Rev had no had an opportunity to defend himself or impart any other useful information
D) you are normal incredibly patient in these games yet in this case you ignored common knowledge that you let the person speak before killing them in case they will to claim a special role.

If I place this info in a scale, then the scale tips in your direction and you got my vote.

Kraegor · Post by **Kraegor** » Fri Oct 17, 2008 2:49 pm

If I place this info in a scale, then the scale tips in your direction and you got my vote.

sure sure, you usually are so reticent in Kraegor votes.

I stopped being patient in most cases when I discovered last game (and the 2 prior) that I play pretty damn well shooting from the hip. In fact my WORST games have all been a result of the sideline play you describe.

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Fri Oct 17, 2008 2:58 pm

So why haven't they killed mipe?

I practically gave them the Framejob setup on a frickin' platter.
There's enough players in this game with enough previous baggage and distrust of me to run a quick mob, yet both Bubbles and ChrisG were chosen instead of my "night victim"

We manage to get mipe close but not far enough, yet RevH gets shoved right over the edge.

Are we ready to play "everybody list their three best guesses" yet, based on the 3 strike setup?

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Fri Oct 17, 2008 3:01 pm

Kraegor wrote:
If I place this info in a scale, then the scale tips in your direction and you got my vote.
sure sure, you usually are so reticent in Kraegor votes.

I stopped being patient in most cases when I discovered last game (and the 2 prior) that I play pretty damn well shooting from the hip. In fact my WORST games have all been a result of the sideline play you describe.

I agree your playstyle seems to have shifted the last two games. But you could just be pointing this out in an attempt to cover a mistake.

Kraegor wrote:
Scoop20906 wrote: Vote Kraegor

You now have time to speak in your defense.
well, that's real big of you little.

You are welcome!

Kraegor · Post by **Kraegor** » Fri Oct 17, 2008 3:04 pm

Scoop20906 wrote:I agree your playstyle seems to have shifted the last two games. But you could just be pointing this out in an attempt to cover a mistake.

there ya go again, manufacturing mistakes. I didn't make one. If I had it would have been seer/scan related, of which, neither has been pointed out.
Or do you feel Rev would have broken this game wide open if he had only been given the chance! <sob>

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Fri Oct 17, 2008 3:14 pm

Kraegor wrote:
Scoop20906 wrote:I agree your playstyle seems to have shifted the last two games. But you could just be pointing this out in an attempt to cover a mistake.
there ya go again, manufacturing mistakes. I didn't make one. If I had it would have been seer/scan related, of which, neither has been pointed out.
Or do you feel Rev would have broken this game wide open if he had only been given the chance! <sob>

Unfortunately, due to your mistake/action we won't know until the game is over.

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Fri Oct 17, 2008 3:25 pm

Scoop, you miss several possible valid reasons for Kraegor's choice. It is interesting to me that, while you propose in PM that he is not much of a suspect, hours later you come out after him. Why? What makes now different from when I first suggested he might be a suspect?

Kraegor · Post by **Kraegor** » Fri Oct 17, 2008 3:30 pm

1. Remus West - scattershot
2. Stessier - here's a muzzle, dont slobber
4. mipe - here's a slinky, go play by the stairs.
5. Scoop90210 - here's some wheat stems, go make a scarecrow.
6. Kraegor - You're so cool...
7. Semaj - conflicted self identification - defends mipe, accuses mipe, withdraws mipe
10. Chaosraving - kill em all...
11. Grundbegriff - not cutting anyone, token assault on mipe, joins stessier's vote and avalanche!
12. Purge - accuses me for the sake of accusing someone

as for the vote:

mipe had: scoop, rev, chaos, mipe, semaj
rev had: stessier, grund, mipe, chaos, remus, kraegor

on both: chaos, mipe
Not on mipe: stessier, grund, remus, kraegor

hiding under the sheets: purge

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Fri Oct 17, 2008 3:33 pm

Sunday Night Activity

1. Remus West - 8, edit, tool of village, bubble prod, merde, 4pack, mipe prod, ooc mod, laryngitis
4. mipe - 4, mentions visions, why wolf, martyr, tool of village
5. Scoop90210 - 3, list of players, mipe is due, tool joke
2. Stessier - 2, scoop prod, vote chrisG
6. Kraegor - 2, austin prod, PM comm pronoun
11. Grundbegriff - 2, toolbox, ooc geekage
12. Purge - 2, miscount wolves, no whispers!
10. Chaosraving - 1, gonna eat mipe
7. Semaj - 0

So during the 24hr of evening we have:
Remus fluctuates in and out with playful pokes. Calls night victim French (from longtime 'rivalry'). Frequent thread checkin.
mipe concerned with getting eaten.
Scoop asks for a list. Feigned?
Stessier pokes a couple players.
Kraegor checks in publicly to play with moderator. Feigned?
Grund drops off his list.
Purge doesn't know how many bad guys there are. Feigned?
Chaosravenous sets up the lob.
Semaj snores.

Comments?

Kraegor · Post by **Kraegor** » Fri Oct 17, 2008 3:35 pm

Kraegor checks in publicly to play with moderator.

you saw that?

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Fri Oct 17, 2008 3:39 pm

Kraegor wrote:
Kraegor checks in publicly to play with moderator.
you saw that?

willing to bet the first slash pm for baltar he gets is checking you

Kraegor · Post by **Kraegor** » Fri Oct 17, 2008 3:44 pm

what's interesting to me is the dead are comprised of passive players. even the lynch, heh.

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Fri Oct 17, 2008 3:45 pm

Remus West wrote:Scoop, you miss several possible valid reasons for Kraegor's choice. It is interesting to me that, while you propose in PM that he is not much of a suspect, hours later you come out after him. Why? What makes now different from when I first suggested he might be a suspect?

I never actually stated Kraegor was my primary suspect. Simply that his actions have the weight of not helping the village and have tipped my vote against him. Plus he poked me.