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Re: The Parasite -Day 1
So, we still have a day 1 choice to make. I believe Scoop. A wolf would have contested El G to the end hoping to get us to lynch him. Then go splodie tomorrow.
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Re: The Parasite -Day 1
Wrong. By definition, the death of the final wolf eliminates the possibility of wolf victory.Unagi wrote:Fact: if you KNOW you have a zerker wolf (we don't yet), you save him for last... you don't kill him ever until you are (nearly) out of misses. Right?
So the one thing team wolf never does, if thinking clearly, is save a self-destructing wolf for last.
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Oh, I see what you mean. I thought you were theorizing about how Team Wolf would deploy its pieces.Grundbegriff wrote:Wrong. By definition, the death of the final wolf eliminates the possibility of wolf victory.Unagi wrote:Fact: if you KNOW you have a zerker wolf (we don't yet), you save him for last... you don't kill him ever until you are (nearly) out of misses. Right?
So the one thing team wolf never does, if thinking clearly, is save a self-destructing wolf for last.
Even so, whether you save a zerker wolf for last depends on the circumstance. Imagine it has come down to three, and one is the zerker. Lynching him then results in a Village victory, with only one man standing-- the case you have in mind. Now imagine instead that it's mid-game with a decent population, the Zerker has been scanned, and there's reason to think he'll target someone non-special. In that case -- especially if he's verbose and misleading -- it's more prudent to end his noise, absorb his damage, and then proceed with a clarified situation.
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Re: The Parasite -Day 1
do you know what "touch... touch..." means?
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Er... no, and from you I'm not sure I want to learn!Unagi wrote:do you know what "touch... touch..." means?
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Re: The Parasite -Day 1
My problem is that Scoop is just going to create noise until he dies. The infected can sit back, risk nothing, and hide in the chaos (or even worse use it to build trust).
If Scoop is the berserker, we won't know until the seer survives to scan then reveals. We can't fix it unless the shooter survives. There is just too much that can go wrong.
Cut our losses unless someone has a better choice.
If Scoop is the berserker, we won't know until the seer survives to scan then reveals. We can't fix it unless the shooter survives. There is just too much that can go wrong.
Cut our losses unless someone has a better choice.
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Re: The Parasite -Day 1
Zarathustra, please hold me beer.Zarathud wrote:My problem is that Scoop is just going to create noise until he dies. The infected can sit back, risk nothing, and hide in the chaos (or even worse use it to build trust).
If Scoop is the berserker, we won't know until the seer survives to scan then reveals. We can't fix it unless the shooter survives. There is just too much that can go wrong.
Cut our losses unless someone has a better choice.
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Re: The Parasite -Day 1
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Re: The Parasite -Day 1
This actually makes sense.Unagi wrote:So, the wolves DID (facto) get stopped by the protector last night.bb2112 wrote:Ok, setting aside the fact that Scoop is being Scoop for a moment: Would a wolf (even a Scoop wolf) expose himself on day one with a claim that could be easily countered since nobody has died yet? I get that Scoop is unpredictable and a little on the crazy side, but does that make a lot of sense? There was no real heat on him (or anyone) yet.
Either:
a) wolf scoop came out first thing and claimed protector to get the protector out.
b) villager scoop came out in an attempt to fuck with everyone but hope that it ends up helping his side
c) protector scoop came out and declared he again was the day-1-protector
Since then - El Guapo has countered that claim. So, Scoop is most certainly either a, b, or c But El Guapo is most certainly .... Not a wolf willing to dive into all this, and certainly not a Villager willing to fuck with everyone even more...
SO, since El Guapo isn't a wolf or villager - that makes Scoop either a) or b).
I'm about ready to lynch him, BUT WAIT - let's just scan him (Seer) - and move on. Scoop can be cleared or condemned - and make the Wolves deal with a Villager Wolf, for now.
I vaguely remember a game -- I think it was Get Smart -- in which Scoop came out of nowhere and emulated roles that had nothing to do with him, on the theory that if he threw enough spaghetti on the wall, he'd provide cover for something somehow maybe. And then he did it again in one of the next games shortly thereafter. So I'm inclined to believe it's possible that he was just a non-Wolf "making a play".
Would he iocane that inclination? Seems too deep for day 1.
El Guapo is a plausible first-day target for team parasite, and stepping forward after self-protection in this circumstance is tactically sound, so nothing tells against the scenario in which both are truthful. That doesn't exonerate Scoop, of course; the first principle of Scoop is that what he does may not make sense. He's either chaotic good or chaotic evil. Although these observations also do not exonerate El Guapo, but it's very hard to see how a parasite would make his move, and the latter remains uncontested, whether by Scoop or some third party.
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I had that impression at first, too. Scoop's "claims" were so vague that it wasn't clear to me that he was claiming anything; meanwhile, Unagi was dead sure Scoop was doing exactly that. So it made Unagi look suspiciously eager.bb2112 wrote:I am also not too keen on Unagi. Seems like he took Scoop at face value way too easily and I don't like the waste of a scan on Scoop this early.
Problem is, Unagi was right. Scoop was laying out claims. Apparently, Unagi's the Scoop Whisperer.
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Shouldn't we be trying to kill a wolf? And who but a wolf would recommend not pursuing the only course that leads to our victory condition?Scoop20906 wrote:FYI guys. My death guarantees we don't hit a special
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Technically, El Guapo also seemed to insist it was. In addition, that's the correct position; it was.Holman wrote:... caused El Guapo to out himself, which really wasn't necessary at this time (although Remus seemed to insist it was).
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Yeah, but as soon as El Guapo made his claim, Scoop corroborated it, declared the cat out of the bag, etc. Not quite the behavior of someone trying to maintain he's the real protector....Newcastle wrote:why would scoop come out today and falsely claim the protector...if he comes out first, he is likely to be believed; therefore the 2nd person making the claim is less likely to be believed...and in all likelihood being lynched. In that scenario scoop lives to day 2 and gets lynched and the village votes off its protector. Just saying...
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If you don't really believe Unagi is a wolf, why are you voting against him?Remus West wrote:Interesting. I'm not buying Scoop as wolf and I don't really believe Unagi is either.
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Re: The Parasite -Day 1
Fascinating. Hard beginning.
Newcastle
I think.
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At least you came to the correct conclusion. I guess eating their own comes early this game.Grundbegriff wrote:Fascinating. Hard beginning.
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I think.
Lets all remember two of the wolves were chosen.
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Re: The Parasite -Day 1
Wrong. Regardless of the existence of a zerker if you KNOW you have a wolf you lynch it or shoot it. Period. Get the confirmed kill. Hell, I'd go so far as to say that is true for any type bad guy - i.e. the sorcerer role from way back. At the very least, losing a vote hurts the bad guys team a great deal.Unagi wrote:Fact: if you KNOW you have a zerker wolf (we don't yet), you save him for last... you don't kill him ever until you are (nearly) out of misses. Right?
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Re: The Parasite -Day 1
I believe that statement was clarified by others already. I do not believe the Unagi really buys the Scoop as wolf story.Grundbegriff wrote:If you don't really believe Unagi is a wolf, why are you voting against him?Remus West wrote:Interesting. I'm not buying Scoop as wolf and I don't really believe Unagi is either.
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Re: The Parasite -Day 1
Players ----------- Voted For:
1 Newcastle----- scoop
2 Vorret---------- moliere
3 Holman--------
4 BB2112--------- Moliere
5 Scoop---------- Newcastle
6 Archinerd-----
7 El Guapo------- scoop
8 Zarathud------- scoop
9 Punisher-------
10 Unagi-----------
11 Remus West--- Unagi
12 RMC------------ BB2112
13 Grundbegriff-- Newcastle
14 Moliere-------- Scoop
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Targets ----------- Voters
( Scoop---------- 4 )--- Moliere --- Newcastle --- Zarathud --- El Guapo
( BB2112--------- 1 )--- RMC
( Moliere-------- 2 )--- BB2112 --- Vorret
( Unagi----------- 1 )--- Remus West
( )---
( Newcastle----- 2 )--- Scoop --- Grundbegriff
Deaths
Majority = 8
1 Newcastle----- scoop
2 Vorret---------- moliere
3 Holman--------
4 BB2112--------- Moliere
5 Scoop---------- Newcastle
6 Archinerd-----
7 El Guapo------- scoop
8 Zarathud------- scoop
9 Punisher-------
10 Unagi-----------
11 Remus West--- Unagi
12 RMC------------ BB2112
13 Grundbegriff-- Newcastle
14 Moliere-------- Scoop
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Targets ----------- Voters
( Scoop---------- 4 )--- Moliere --- Newcastle --- Zarathud --- El Guapo
( BB2112--------- 1 )--- RMC
( Moliere-------- 2 )--- BB2112 --- Vorret
( Unagi----------- 1 )--- Remus West
( )---
( Newcastle----- 2 )--- Scoop --- Grundbegriff
Deaths
Majority = 8
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Re: The Parasite -Day 1
Busy at work, but I will switch my vote to newcastle as well later when I have time. He seems a mite eager...
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hmm will need to re-read the whole thing when I'm done with the rush at work I don't remember anything odd that Newcastle did but maybe I missed it.
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welp....that's disappointing
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It always strikes me as odd that players look suspicious both for trying hard and for not trying at all.RMC wrote:Busy at work, but I will switch my vote to newcastle as well later when I have time. He seems a mite eager...
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I'm suspicious of you now that you are pointing this out.Holman wrote:It always strikes me as odd that players look suspicious both for trying hard and for not trying at all.RMC wrote:Busy at work, but I will switch my vote to newcastle as well later when I have time. He seems a mite eager...
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I'm suspicious of you for pointing out that you are suspicious of him for pointing that out.Moliere wrote:I'm suspicious of you now that you are pointing this out.Holman wrote:It always strikes me as odd that players look suspicious both for trying hard and for not trying at all.RMC wrote:Busy at work, but I will switch my vote to newcastle as well later when I have time. He seems a mite eager...
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Re: The Parasite -Day 1
Does this mean you're suspicious of yourself? And by me typing this does that mean I'm accusing myself of being suspicious of myself? It's all very suspicious.El Guapo wrote:I'm suspicious of you for pointing out that you are suspicious of him for pointing that out.Moliere wrote:I'm suspicious of you now that you are pointing this out.Holman wrote:It always strikes me as odd that players look suspicious both for trying hard and for not trying at all.RMC wrote:Busy at work, but I will switch my vote to newcastle as well later when I have time. He seems a mite eager...
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Re: The Parasite -Day 1
Incredibly so.Moliere wrote:Does this mean you're suspicious of yourself? And by me typing this does that mean I'm accusing myself of being suspicious of myself? It's all very suspicious.El Guapo wrote:I'm suspicious of you for pointing out that you are suspicious of him for pointing that out.Moliere wrote:I'm suspicious of you now that you are pointing this out.Holman wrote:It always strikes me as odd that players look suspicious both for trying hard and for not trying at all.RMC wrote:Busy at work, but I will switch my vote to newcastle as well later when I have time. He seems a mite eager...
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I am starting to think you are all wolves and I am the only villager... Are we sure the random generator was working?El Guapo wrote:Incredibly so.Moliere wrote:Does this mean you're suspicious of yourself? And by me typing this does that mean I'm accusing myself of being suspicious of myself? It's all very suspicious.El Guapo wrote:I'm suspicious of you for pointing out that you are suspicious of him for pointing that out.Moliere wrote:I'm suspicious of you now that you are pointing this out.Holman wrote:It always strikes me as odd that players look suspicious both for trying hard and for not trying at all.RMC wrote:Busy at work, but I will switch my vote to newcastle as well later when I have time. He seems a mite eager...
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You are playing against El Guapo's 9 alt accounts. Good luck!Punisher wrote:I am starting to think you are all wolves and I am the only villager... Are we sure the random generator was working?
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Re: The Parasite -Day 1
your response time could be quicker. I kind of figure youre on bad dialup seeing the time differential between each post. C'mon cut the time down or else...pffftt....who's gonna believe ya el guapoOmoliereO?Moliere wrote:You are playing against El Guapo's 9 alt accounts. Good luck!Punisher wrote:I am starting to think you are all wolves and I am the only villager... Are we sure the random generator was working?
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Re: The Parasite -Day 1
Just to sum up where I think we are at right now.
Reasons to vote for Scoop:
1. Could be a Beserker wolf
2. Is likley just an unpowered villager
3. Canadians and Zarathud don't like him
Reasons to NOT vote for Scoop:
1. Could be a Beserker wolf
2. Is likley just an unpowered villager
3. Canadians and Zarathud don't like him
Reasons to vote for Scoop:
1. Could be a Beserker wolf
2. Is likley just an unpowered villager
3. Canadians and Zarathud don't like him
Reasons to NOT vote for Scoop:
1. Could be a Beserker wolf
2. Is likley just an unpowered villager
3. Canadians and Zarathud don't like him
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Re: The Parasite -Day 1
Wait, what ? Don't lump me in thereArchinerd wrote:Just to sum up where I think we are at right now.
Reasons to vote for Scoop:
1. Could be a Beserker wolf
2. Is likley just an unpowered villager
3. Canadians and Zarathud don't like him
Reasons to NOT vote for Scoop:
1. Could be a Beserker wolf
2. Is likley just an unpowered villager
3. Canadians and Zarathud don't like him
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Re: The Parasite -Day 1
Jeez. Last time I was begging not be killed when it was clear I was an uncontested special and now people can't be bothered to off me. I realize it's not the same situation but I wish I could predict what you people will do.
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Nobody Expected to Avoid the Scoop Inquisition!
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Scoop20906 wrote:Jeez. Last time I was begging not be killed when it was clear I was an uncontested special and now people can't be bothered to off me. I realize it's not the same situation but I wish I could predict what you people will do.
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Remember that one game in which LordMortis was left alive as Sorcerer and made the game horrible through incessant trolling and FUD-prop?Remus West wrote:Wrong. Regardless of the existence of a zerker if you KNOW you have a wolf you lynch it or shoot it. Period. Get the confirmed kill. Hell, I'd go so far as to say that is true for any type bad guy - i.e. the sorcerer role from way back. At the very least, losing a vote hurts the bad guys team a great deal.Unagi wrote:Fact: if you KNOW you have a zerker wolf (we don't yet), you save him for last... you don't kill him ever until you are (nearly) out of misses. Right?
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Yeah, but you said "I don't really believe Unagi is either." Did you mean "I don't really believe Unagi does either"?Remus West wrote:I believe that statement was clarified by others already. I do not believe the Unagi really buys the Scoop as wolf story.Grundbegriff wrote:If you don't really believe Unagi is a wolf, why are you voting against him?Remus West wrote:Interesting. I'm not buying Scoop as wolf and I don't really believe Unagi is either.
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They also look suspicious for trying to avoid extremes.Holman wrote:It always strikes me as odd that players look suspicious both for trying hard and for not trying at all.RMC wrote:Busy at work, but I will switch my vote to newcastle as well later when I have time. He seems a mite eager...
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This post is everything.Archinerd wrote:Just to sum up where I think we are at right now.
Reasons to vote for Scoop:
1. Could be a Beserker wolf
2. Is likley just an unpowered villager
3. Canadians and Zarathud don't like him
Reasons to NOT vote for Scoop:
1. Could be a Beserker wolf
2. Is likley just an unpowered villager
3. Canadians and Zarathud don't like him