OOWWL S01 Game 5 Villagers Win! Game Over!

RevHempus71 · Post by **RevHempus71** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 12:46 pm

In the absence of proof we only have 1 way to see into the heart of a man (or wolf). The gallows.

I am sure of this though, I am a villager. With the deadline looming 2 things keep disturbing me. Newcastle

The main one is this. I think Newcastle's posts have been soft. Seem more prodding than probing.

Newcastle · Post by **Newcastle** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 12:57 pm

love how your following remus there Rev.

Newcastle · Post by **Newcastle** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 1:00 pm

RevHempus71 wrote:In the absence of proof we only have 1 way to see into the heart of a man (or wolf). The gallows.

I am sure of this though, I am a villager. With the deadline looming 2 things keep disturbing me. Newcastle

The main one is this. I think Newcastle's posts have been soft. Seem more prodding than probing.

whats the second one?

not sure what kind of probing you expect me to pull off Rev, have given my thoughts and suspects list. Not going to claim anything I am not, you guys are simply using up a miss w/ me. Also not a lot of conversing going on while a deadline is looming tonight...pretty much Q, Purge and Grund are busy w/ other endeavors...so cant get their opinions.

I do think you are a wolf though Rev.

theohall · Post by **theohall** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 1:38 pm

Day Two Vote Count

1. Remus West - Newcastle, Newcastle
2. Newcastle - RevHempus71
4. purge
5. RevHempus71 - Qantaga, Newcastle, Newcastle
7. Qantaga
8. Grundbegriff - Remus West
9. bb2112 - Newcastle

Newcastle (3): bb2112, Remus West, RevHempus71 N-1
Remus West (1): Grundbegriff
RevHempus71 (1): Newcastle

Majority is 4
Deadline is Tonight at 10 pm ET

RevHempus71 · Post by **RevHempus71** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 3:18 pm

Newcastle wrote: I do think you are a wolf though Rev.

In that thought you are completely wrong.

The second thing that bothers me is day 1 and now day 2 bb has placed his vote early and left it on target...... While never really saying why he is voteing that way.

Newcastle · Post by **Newcastle** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 3:24 pm

RevHempus71 wrote:
Newcastle wrote: I do think you are a wolf though Rev.

In that thought you are completely wrong.

The second thing that bothers me is day 1 and now day 2 bb has placed his vote early and left it on target...... While never really saying why he is voteing that way.

i think that's wrong.....he moved his vote around a bit yesterday (3 folks). And he landed on me today first and foremost today...and to be fair i can kind of see both of their reasons, well actually i see remus reasonings the most...less so BB, and definitely not yours in terms of voting for me.

Newcastle · Post by **Newcastle** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 3:26 pm

bb2112 wrote:
Remus West wrote: withdraw Remus West

Sigh. Nobody wants to try that game. I wondered if it could lead to both baddies again this time but guess not.
Anyway, the only really active is bb2112 and he is doing exactly what I would expect so that doesn't mean much.
Lets try Lassr

who again passed on voting me and who, it seems, eats cuddly little puppies.
And everyone is doing pretty much what I expected too. Nobody likes to lynch you early in these games. With your over 23K posts you must have built up some serious street cred.

Guess it is time to go after one of the more silent(ish) people.

Stessier

his vote on stessier (3rd person he voted for that day)....this was 8 am thurs, est......

stessier was dead at: 5 Pm est that day. here:
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bb2112 · Post by **bb2112** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 3:28 pm

RevHempus71 wrote:The second thing that bothers me is day 1 and now day 2 bb has placed his vote early and left it on target...... While never really saying why he is voteing that way.

Wrong. Either you spaced, or didn't bother to read my posts. Which is it?

Now my suspicion of you goes up.

bb2112 wrote: Newcastle

5 voted for Stess, 3 did not. Newcastle, Rev, and Purge.

Of the 3, I don't have much experience with Purge, none with Rev, and Newcastle has seemed off to me all game.

bb2112 wrote:
Newcastle wrote:
Qantaga wrote:Just getting back to civilization and catching up.

Observations:

***snip***
Newcastle,.......volleying trivialities.[/accuse]
trivial to you? seriously? Hmm but isnt anything here trivial? Looks like you arent that concerned abouut your fate, and are you protecting Remus?

questions, questions, within Russian dolls, wrapped up in a California roll.

Newcastle wrote:so why is everyone running up stessier? Whats the big pull there?

Newcastle wrote:at the moment: lassr feels innocent to me,

gray zone: remus

I could kind of vote stessier, but want to see others pipe up.

Grund has disappeared

BB - is trying to be mr. humorous

Reve- posted then disappeared. kind of want to vote him, but i also dont want to vote him out on his first game back (yeah yeah, compassion...blah blah blha).

Q- feels off

Purge - is present

meh-

grund

this is more in the interest in hearin him speak, rather than a belief in his guilt
Stessier gets lynched. Suddenly after Newcastle posted his observations above, he claims below that he didn't read the thread thoroughly. It was thorough enough to post something on just about everyone and put a vote on Grund before the lynch though.

Newcastle wrote:
Remus West wrote:....snip..... I find it odd that Newcastle decline to express any intention to vote stessier yesterday but simply questioned the vote being there. ......snip.......
wanted to know why people were voting for him. I hadnt read the thread thoroughly (skimmed it) and was curious why he was run up so fast. I was also waiting to see how things woudl turn and develop as well. I really didnt expect him to go to the gallows so quick.

if anything, i think Remus comes out smelling hte best there...yea, i am sure thats gonna heighten your paranoia about me....but mainly due to Rev's statement of not putting your partner at #4.

Question woul dbe: would grund put his partner over the edge like that? So i cant clear grund...and yes i think he'd do something like that. Especially due to these short games, his chances at surviving to end game are high.

Newcastle wrote:hmm deadline tomorrow night, interesting. i have no intention of voting for Remus, interesting that Grund has decided to go after him. Part of me wonders though w/ remus is if he put his partner that close to the edge to get a freebie all the way to the end. Would stessier allow himself to be sacrificed like that in order to gain victory. I'd think so, but still doesnt satisfy me enough to swing a vote on to Remus.

Would a wolf vote for a fellow wolf? Points be damned of course, be a nice set up/cover to carry them through.

I could actually vote for Q, but i want to read more. Also would be tempted to vote for Rev.
This is why I say off. Q was second vote on Stess, had time to move it, didn't. Puts Q more in the innocent area I would think, but Newcastle says he could vote for him. Grund seems to be a focus for Newcastle, both before and after the lynch of Stess. We had plenty of time and a vote train could have very easily started in another direction. Hell, usually the first guy run up to N-1 gets lynched less than half the time anyway. Grund putting a bullet in Stess when he didn't have to makes me think he is more good. Both Q and Grund are experienced enough to place their votes where they did to throw off suspicion, however, at least at this point, I think there are more viable candidates.

RevHempus71 · Post by **RevHempus71** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 3:32 pm

It is what it is. I am what I am. I can now see how I might have muddled things up, but i am innocent. withdraw Newcastle

Rev Hempus

. 2 for you and 2 for me.

Qantaga · Post by **Qantaga** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 4:23 pm

Ah, my very favorite gambit... the self vote.

Rev, if you are innocent, why are you self voting?

My morning fled rather quickly and my afternoon is flying away, too. I haven't forgotten the deadline.

As I said, I am suspicious of everyone at the moment:

- Rev, mainly for his post voting for me after I accused stess. Now knowing that stess is a wolf, it strikes me as an attempt to deflect attention from stess. Also, for his rather elaborate case against me at the start of this game day, which I know to be completely false.

- Grund, for jumping on Rev's coat-tails so quickly and for killing stess with a meta excuse when Grund rarely feels compelled to provide frivolous rationale.

- Newcastle, for the aforementioned inconsistency of whether he had read the thread thoroughly or not before questioning the stess vote. Also, for a general vibe of "reasonable" Newcastle, that I've seen from evil Newcastle before.

- Remus, for the calculated self vote early on, which struck me as an attempt to do what he did in the previous game when he was innocent. I got the feeling that it was an attempt at trying to try to put himself in the same perceived state of innocence. Lassr seized on that. Is that why Lassr was killed? The n-1 on stess looks good for Remus, but he would know that, wouldn' he? One thing that will probably keep me from voting Remus today is that he may have been a good scan target last night, based on his arguing not to be scanned yesterday. So, I think there is a possibility that, unless Lassr is the Seer, Remus may have already been outed today, if he were the remaining wolf.

- Purge, for not resembling the WW persona I'm used to seeing with him. Meta reasons, or wolfish ones?

- bb2112, because the stess vote could have been a poke at a "silent" partner that picked up steam too quickly for him to safely remove his vote.

I need about an hour to think things over, then I'll vote.

Newcastle · Post by **Newcastle** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 4:31 pm

i have an idea guys....why dont we kill the silents...because they arent helping?

withdraw Rev

grund

i think i can easily switch to purge, but he piped up a bit also.

theohall · Post by **theohall** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 4:38 pm

Day Two Vote Count

1. Remus West - Newcastle, Newcastle
2. Newcastle - RevHempus71, Grundbegriff
4. purge
5. RevHempus71 - Qantaga, Newcastle, Newcastle, RevHempus71
7. Qantaga
8. Grundbegriff - Remus West
9. bb2112 - Newcastle

Newcastle (2): bb2112, Remus West
Remus West (1): Grundbegriff
RevHempus71 (1): RevHempus71
Grundbegriff (1): Newcastle

Majority is 4
Deadline is Tonight at 10 pm ET

Grundbegriff · Post by **Grundbegriff** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 4:38 pm

If you insist, Newc:

Newcastle

theohall · Post by **theohall** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 4:41 pm

Day Two Vote Count

1. Remus West - Newcastle, Newcastle
2. Newcastle - RevHempus71, Grundbegriff
4. purge
5. RevHempus71 - Qantaga, Newcastle, Newcastle, RevHempus71
7. Qantaga
8. Grundbegriff - Remus West, Newcastle
9. bb2112 - Newcastle

Newcastle (3): bb2112, Remus West, Grundbegriff N-1
RevHempus71 (1): RevHempus71
Grundbegriff (1): Newcastle

Majority is 4
Deadline is Tonight at 10 pm ET

Newcastle · Post by **Newcastle** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 4:44 pm

Grundbegriff wrote:If you insist, Newc:

Newcastle

and your rationale for voting for me is????

RevHempus71 · Post by **RevHempus71** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 4:50 pm

My self vote is simple.... In my eyes I (as a mere villager) have but 2 choices to make. 1 find a wolf, 2 protect the Seer. (assuming Lassr was not he).

There is 2 people in this game that know my innocence absolutely, myself and the the last wolfy.

Newcastle · Post by **Newcastle** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 4:55 pm

RevHempus71 wrote:My self vote is simple.... In my eyes I (as a mere villager) have but 2 choices to make. 1 find a wolf, 2 protect the Seer. (assuming Lassr was not he).

There is 2 people in this game that know my innocence absolutely, myself and the the last wolfy.

dude, if youre actually innocent and say you go down...it hurts the team...because we know one of those votes were an innocent. if you are innocent let the villagers & wolf do the dirty work so there is data to sift through at least.

besides, it looks like i am the flavor of hte moment/day.

Grundbegriff · Post by **Grundbegriff** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 5:21 pm

Newcastle wrote:
Grundbegriff wrote:If you insist, Newc:

Newcastle

and your rationale for voting for me is????

The triggercut principle. You're voting against me, and I know I'm good.

Newcastle · Post by **Newcastle** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 5:28 pm

hmm thats it?

even though you pushed me to N-1?

kind of a risky move eh?

Grundbegriff · Post by **Grundbegriff** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 5:30 pm

Newcastle wrote:kind of a risky move eh?

I have no reason to think you're not a wolf. And last time I checked, only one of the two of us has a track record of killing wolves.

Newcastle · Post by **Newcastle** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 5:36 pm

nope, cant argue w/ that logic. well, i mean i didnt know he was a wolf though, or else i would have voted for him.

RevHempus71 · Post by **RevHempus71** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 6:00 pm

withdraw Rev Hempus

Thinking.....

Grundbegriff · Post by **Grundbegriff** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 6:19 pm

Newcastle wrote:nope, cant argue w/ that logic. well, i mean i didnt know he was a wolf though, or else i would have voted for him.

I didn't know he was a wolf, and somehow I managed to vote for him.
Likewise, I don't know whether you're a wolf, but here I am with a vote on you.
If you decline to vote except when you know someone's a wolf, you'll end up never voting. Right?

Newcastle · Post by **Newcastle** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 6:38 pm

just disappointed that you have no grand analysis to go w/ this vote and same w/ the stessier vote. Was a fairly unanalytical strike you hit me w/ and the same could be said w/ your vote on Stessier. So yeah, either lucky, you aint sharing your thoughts or something else.....

anyway, lets move this party elsewhere for now, since i am living on the edge...and i'll have a "told you so" as soon as i am lynched and gone....

withdraw Grund

purge

Newcastle · Post by **Newcastle** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 6:38 pm

oh, looks like 4 hours left and i am at N-1.

Grundbegriff · Post by **Grundbegriff** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 6:45 pm

withdraw Newcastle

purge

Qantaga · Post by **Qantaga** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 6:54 pm

Grund

Grundbegriff · Post by **Grundbegriff** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 7:05 pm

theohall wrote: Newcastle (3): bb2112, Remus West, RevHempus71 N-1

I put Newc back at N-1 after Rev pulled away, because I wanted to watch a wolf pounce and put him over.

It didn't happen.

For this reason, I strongly suspect that our wolf is either Remus West or bb2112.

Newcastle · Post by **Newcastle** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 7:07 pm

why would a wolf even pounce on me? Possibly reveal who they are. remember they have to survive 3 more lynches (including today) in order to win..

7 left, tomorrow 5, final day 3...

so act too fast and it blows them up

Qantaga · Post by **Qantaga** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 7:08 pm

Then, why did you vote purge?

Qantaga · Post by **Qantaga** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 7:09 pm

That question was to Grund, not Newc.

Grundbegriff · Post by **Grundbegriff** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 7:10 pm

Qantaga wrote:Then, why did you vote purge?

That's my default vote, as illustrated at day's beginning.

theohall · Post by **theohall** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 7:32 pm

Day Two Vote Count

1. Remus West - Newcastle, Newcastle
2. Newcastle - RevHempus71, Grundbegriff, purge
4. purge
5. RevHempus71 - Qantaga, Newcastle, Newcastle, RevHempus71
7. Qantaga - Grundbegriff
8. Grundbegriff - Remus West, Newcastle, purge
9. bb2112 - Newcastle

Newcastle (2): bb2112, Remus West
purge (2): Newcastle, Grundbegriff
Grundbegriff (1): Qantaga

Majority is 4
Deadline is Tonight at 10 pm ET

Newcastle · Post by **Newcastle** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 9:41 pm

so a little over an hour to lynch someone....how shall the voting turn?

RevHempus71 · Post by **RevHempus71** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 10:00 pm

Time keeps on ticking ticking ticking into the future......

Well when all else fails Remus West

. If for any other reason, on day 2 for him to be still kicking is suspicious....

theohall · Post by **theohall** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 10:10 pm

It is Dusk!

Day Two Vote Count

1. Remus West - Newcastle, Newcastle
2. Newcastle - RevHempus71, Grundbegriff, purge
4. purge
5. RevHempus71 - Qantaga, Newcastle, Newcastle, RevHempus71, Remus West
7. Qantaga - Grundbegriff
8. Grundbegriff - Remus West, Newcastle, purge
9. bb2112 - Newcastle

Newcastle (2): bb2112, Remus West
purge (2): Newcastle, Grundbegriff
Grundbegriff (1): Qantaga
Remus West (1): RevHempus71

Majority is 4
Deadline is Tonight at 10 pm ET

Grundbegriff · Post by **Grundbegriff** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 10:12 pm

It would be folly not to test someone.

I'll join RevHempus. Remus West

I recommend that all do likewise, since we have only 45 minutes.

Qantaga · Post by **Qantaga** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 10:15 pm

Ugh. We do love our deadlines.

It looks like we'll have to choose between Newcastle and purge.

With purge, he hasn't given us much to go on, so he would be very hard to read if he makes it to the end game.

With Newcastle, it is virtually certain that he is not our Seer, given the time he has spent at n-1.

I think I'd rather vote for purge, but if Newcastle is not the wolf, the real wolf knows for certain that Newcastle is not the Seer, so eliminating Newcastle also keeps the pool of possible Seers bigger, thus reducing the odds of the wolf finding the Seer tonight.

Oh, and Rev is trying to start a new train with just an hour to go and Grund is following Rev's lead again? Interesting.

I still think Rev and Grund hold our best hope for a wolf, but with the deadline looming:

Newcastle

Newcastle · Post by **Newcastle** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 10:16 pm

wrong move Q; i am a wiff.

Grundbegriff · Post by **Grundbegriff** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 10:23 pm

Qantaga wrote:Ugh. We do love our deadlines.
It looks like we'll have to choose between Newcastle and purge.

Why would it be between those two, when there are also two votes on Remus West?

Qantaga wrote:Oh, and Rev is trying to start a new train with just an hour to go and Grund is following Rev's lead again? Interesting.
I still think Rev and Grund hold our best hope for a wolf, but with the deadline looming:

If Rev and Grund hold the best hope for a wolf, then why would you not vote against one of us? That is, after all, the point of the game: find the wolf.
Qantaga

Get over here, Rev and Newcastle. Help me put an end to this monster.