[Disney+] Obi-Wan Kenobi
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So I’m watching this finally and I’m confused by something.
Also, episode 2 had
Oh, and I’m not getting the hate for the actress playing Reva. She’s doing fine, as far as I’m concerned.
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I was wondering if
I'm enjoying the show and I was pleased that Disney went
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MASSIVE Spoiler on this new Wednesday's episode (Part V):
IMO, truly a great episode.
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I don't get the hate either. The only thing I can chalk it up to is racism.
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This week's episode was my favorite so far. Just fantastic. Can't wait for the finale!
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On the internet review sites, I see that sometimes. But someone here mentioned they didn't like the role, but that it was because they thought the writing for her character was awful. Totally valid complaint. However, I don't find the writing for her character to be any worse or better than anyone else's on the show....so far.
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So is it a valid complain if it’s the writing and the only problem someone had was with her acting?
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No, it's a valid complaint if it's the writing and the color of her left eye.
My point was that someone here said they didn't like her on the show, but then said it was because of the way the character is being written. I think that's a valid complaint and not one that sounds based on racism. As opposed to what I see on some internet review sites where they complain that the show is "woke" merely because of her inclusion.
But then again, I'm not quite sure what point you're trying to make with your reply.
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hepcat wrote: ↑Wed Jun 15, 2022 1:09 pmNo, it's a valid complaint if it's the writing and the color of her left eye.
My point was that someone here said they didn't like her on the show, but then said it was because of the way the character is being written. I think that's a valid complaint and not one that sounds based on racism. As opposed to what I see on some internet review sites where they complain that the show is "woke" merely because of her inclusion.
But then again, I'm not even sure what point you're trying to make with your reply.
I supposed then that Empire was woke because they had the nerve to have a black man run cloud city. Crazy hollywood liberal elites. Everyone knows the real Lando had to be a straight white male.
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I recently got into an argument with an old friend over facebook messenger because I noted that some of the hate I've seen for a show we both like is because there are a lot of jerks out there who hate it simply because they include a black woman as a lead, therefore it's now a part of a culture war for some (read: racism). And even though I prefaced that with "and I'm not talking about you" and I clearly said "some" not "all", he got pissed and yelled at me for saying that any complaint about the show was immediately being discredited by attributing it to racism.
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My favorite are the people who complain about all the mixed race couples in commercials and cry that it's woke. To me that's just good marketing, they try and hit as large of a target audience as possible with each commercial.
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Just to be clear: I don't think all complaints should be dismissed as racism. I think there are still numerous valid complaints about this and all other shows...like a character just being poorly written in a viewer's eyes.
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Like anything, there are shades of gray. Some people will criticize because of race, some will criticize because of perfectly valid reasons. It's not all or nothing. But in today's political climate, everything seemingly has to be a binary, absolute choice, and everyone's the moral police.
It's irritating and why I largely try to stay out of it. The female Ghostbusters reboot gave me enough of that to last a lifetime.
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I'm sideways on that. I like her character, and I like her. I'm just not sure that she's good fit for that character. She hasn't pulled off the deep pain and cold rage that the character really needs to shine. But the same could be said of any number of character/actor combos on any number of shows, and it's not enough to diminish my enjoyment at all. It's only really noticeable if I really dig into my impressions in response to the discussion.
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I think we can all agree though that the guy wearing the giant bicycle safety helmet is the real star of the show. He knows that cycling safety is important, but he's still a Sith. It's a fascinating dichotomy.
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I assume it’s cultural so it doesn’t yank at my funny bone as much.
Or perhaps due to physiology. Like maybe he’s got a mushroom head.
Or perhaps due to physiology. Like maybe he’s got a mushroom head.
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Well, that's part of our disconnect.
That's not what the quote I had seen had said at all. It said something more along the lines of "rarely does one actor's acting ruin a show the way that hers did." And I can not find that quote at all right now.
I do wonder if others recall the quote you are describing or the one I am.
and also - I realize and agree it's impossible to know what makes a person not like another person (or their acting).
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A period of deep research and reflection (ie, a quick google search) tells me that it was a discarded Kylo Ren helmet design, and that their spinning lightsabers can be used as helicopters. Go go dark side copter!
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I only wonder if at some point "Ben" is going to snap out of it and remember he is a badass Jedi. Probably not. Or maybe Leia will become a Punky Brewster superhero.
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I don't read it as "cowardly" so much as PTSD. The character has been through some shit and lost almost everything at this point.Carpet_pissr wrote: ↑Mon Jun 13, 2022 10:22 amPerhaps they are trying to deepen the characters a bit from the ones we were just briefly introduced to in the movies, i.e. 'these people are humans, with strengths and weaknesses, not cartoon cutouts.'Spoiler:
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Jesus Christ. I’m the one that said that her acting was shit, and I stand by that. I ALSO said that she was very good in Queen’s Gambit, and that it COULD just be bad writing/casting.
The only reason that I qualified the original assertion was bc I suspected someone would throw the racism card. Glad I was wrong!
The only reason that I qualified the original assertion was bc I suspected someone would throw the racism card. Glad I was wrong!
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For what it’s worth, your post is not the one that I was recalling.Carpet_pissr wrote: ↑Wed Jun 15, 2022 11:20 pm Jesus Christ. I’m the one that said that her acting was shit, and I stand by that. I ALSO said that she was very good in Queen’s Gambit, and that it COULD just be bad writing/casting.
The only reason that I qualified the original assertion was bc I suspected someone would throw the racism card. Glad I was wrong!
You immediately mentioned the writing and the character and that you’ve enjoyed this actor. That wasn’t the comment I was speaking to. I honestly think I must have read what I read somewhere else, as I can’t find anything that resembles it here.
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I did try to nip that in the bud by pointing out your complaint was perfectly valid earlier…a few times, actually.Carpet_pissr wrote: ↑Wed Jun 15, 2022 11:20 pm The only reason that I qualified the original assertion was bc I suspected someone would throw the racism card. Glad I was wrong!
But I still think her acting is perfectly fine in this. I could do without the parkour, of course.
p.s. Could your dislike of the character be because she obviously doesn't take cycling safety as seriously as her coworker?
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If find both her role and acting to be consistent with how Star Wars bad guys have been portrayed since the first movie - stiff and formal, very little subtlety.
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I think her acting is very stiff and bogged down by mostly slow dialog delivery. I think it's intentional and part of her character and totally put that on the writing and directing. I think they are going for her holding in repressed anger and fear, but I just think it's a bit too much and makes her come off a bit wooden. But, the character still works.
I also agree that she was far more engaging in the Queen's Gambit. But of course she wasn't playing a conflicted Sith in that.
I also agree that she was far more engaging in the Queen's Gambit. But of course she wasn't playing a conflicted Sith in that.
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I also will repeat that I thought this week's episode was amazingly awesome. Just fantastic. I am giddy with anticipation for next week.
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Yeah, as a casual fan I enjoyed this week's episode as well - the pacing, the flashback that tied into to the current story, the action and of course the final confrontation.
I see all the spoiler'd grievances listed, but none of them affected me. Again, could be related to my view of the whole SW universe but none of them impacted my enjoyment.
I see all the spoiler'd grievances listed, but none of them affected me. Again, could be related to my view of the whole SW universe but none of them impacted my enjoyment.
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I guess my list was especially negative this week, but nitpicking is enjoyable to me. Some reactions are superficial, but other gripes I really do believe would improve the quality of the content if heeded.
I enjoyed some of the episode as well, but praising it is less fun and offers no reward.
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Yeah, I think this episode was by far the strongest of the show, and kind of makes some of the tedium of the prior episodes worth it. Also did a lot to help with the character depth of Reva.
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I agree that there are quite a few cartoony, one-dimensional over the top villains (General Hux I'm looking at you!). But great, well-acted villains also exist in the SW universe:
Kylo Ren comes to mind. Amazing villain, amazing acting.
Phasma was also good I think, without being crazy over the top.
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I dunno. I was just thinking (in part prompted by this series) that in some ways the Sith are a limitation on the greatness of future Star Wars because they are fairly cartoon-y villains in general ("we want power and to destroy the weak and children!"). Kylo Ren was pretty good (largely because Adam Driver did a great job) but most of the villains are fairly weak - Dooku in particular was something of a missed opportunity, especially since they had Christopher Lee to work with.Carpet_pissr wrote: ↑Thu Jun 16, 2022 3:52 pmI agree that there are quite a few cartoony, one-dimensional over the top villains (General Hux I'm looking at you!). But great, well-acted villains also exist in the SW universe:
Kylo Ren comes to mind. Amazing villain, amazing acting.
Phasma was also good I think, without being crazy over the top.
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I agree with you, but if you're going to mention missed opportunities, I think you HAVE to look at Phasma. She was portrayed as the ultimate bad ass, chrome ST armor and everything, but she literally had two scenes, both of which she got her ass whooped in seconds. I mean, if you're going to put someone in armor like that and make her the first known female ST in any Star Wars format, do something with her. She got the Boba Fett treatment SO bad.El Guapo wrote: ↑Thu Jun 16, 2022 3:55 pmI dunno. I was just thinking (in part prompted by this series) that in some ways the Sith are a limitation on the greatness of future Star Wars because they are fairly cartoon-y villains in general ("we want power and to destroy the weak and children!"). Kylo Ren was pretty good (largely because Adam Driver did a great job) but most of the villains are fairly weak - Dooku in particular was something of a missed opportunity, especially since they had Christopher Lee to work with.Carpet_pissr wrote: ↑Thu Jun 16, 2022 3:52 pmI agree that there are quite a few cartoony, one-dimensional over the top villains (General Hux I'm looking at you!). But great, well-acted villains also exist in the SW universe:
Kylo Ren comes to mind. Amazing villain, amazing acting.
Phasma was also good I think, without being crazy over the top.
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I guessed a certain character's "secret" in the first episode. Also, why did:
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