Warhammer 40K - Game Called- New roles to be sent out.

theohall · Post by **theohall** » Fri Dec 12, 2008 8:53 pm

stessier is more of a late night participant.

We shall see about the other two.

purge · Post by **purge** » Sat Dec 13, 2008 12:12 am

No, Christmas party with free booze.

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Sat Dec 13, 2008 12:30 am

Weekend is kind of tied up for me also. My daughter b'day party. She starts her teens...oh joy.
Luckily, weekends do not count in the days to lynch countdown.

I've given up trying to theorize why someone dies on night 1. There are too many variables. It's good to list out the possiblities but selecting the correct one...good luck with that.

Semaj · Post by **Semaj** » Sat Dec 13, 2008 2:27 am

For those wondering... James tends to work 12 hour shifts 2 or 3 days a week, meaning when he works he goes away for stretches.

If you think you have a tell on me, you probably don't.

If you think you can tell when I am good or evil, pretty much you guys have been wrong every time so clearly you don't there either.

If I am a special I don't plan on outing myself until the very last possible instant.

If I am a regular joe public, I dont plan on outing myself until the very last possible instant.

Since I am not a bad guy, i'm giving them any fucking reads one way or another on what or whom I am.

Why did I say I am screwed either way? Whoever said because it's a damned if I do or damned if I dont situation is half right. As I mentioned on a certain boards last game, how well I played is going to color your opinions of me this game. Either you are a wolf and know I'm innocent but want to try and figure out when to get everyone to kill me (Which is what I would do if I were a wolf... You let people do your work for you with as little interference as possible) or your a good guy and you wonder if it's just me firing off yet another playstyle to try and throw you all off. Any action I take will be analyzed and compared to every other time I have played.

So I'll throw this one out there and save time.

The seer can scan me whenever the hell they want. Please do, because it's the only time "you guys" (;)) have ever caught me as a wolf. I beg and plead for it to be done. I hope remus wasnt the seer, because that would suck big donkey nads.

I also want a clarification (Unless i missed it) as to whether they get the results of their scan first, or if the scan and the kill go off simultaneously.

It's a skoch important for determining how powered the wolves/rat bastards/chaos horde is this game.

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Sat Dec 13, 2008 6:52 am

Sorry, yes, I was traveling.

Austin

has some 'splainin' to do.

mipe · Post by **mipe** » Sat Dec 13, 2008 7:22 am

I'm pretty sure that Remus wasn't Seer, or any other special.

What I would do as a badguy (expect I have never been a badguy in OO werewolf games...), would be scan a person, and if they come as special, convert, or if normal, convert. Only situations that I wouldn't convert is that if they found Chaplin (spelling?), or they want to make us think about "Why no convert?"

Withdraw Mipe

Sheesh... Can't a person vote himself anymore?

Austin · Post by **Austin** » Sat Dec 13, 2008 10:05 am

stessier wrote:Sorry, yes, I was traveling.

Austin

has some 'splainin' to do.

Anything specific? Why is Chaos not a good target today?

theohall · Post by **theohall** » Sat Dec 13, 2008 12:02 pm

Austin wrote:
stessier wrote:Sorry, yes, I was traveling.

Austin

has some 'splainin' to do.
Anything specific? Why is Chaos not a good target today?

One might as well say "Why isn't <insert name other than Remus West> a good target today?"

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Sat Dec 13, 2008 1:11 pm

Mipe

he has to be a bad guy eventually. Self vote so early raised my eyebrows.

mipe · Post by **mipe** » Sat Dec 13, 2008 1:42 pm

Lassr wrote:he has to be a bad guy eventually.

No I don't.

Semaj · Post by **Semaj** » Sat Dec 13, 2008 5:37 pm

Actually : "he's due" was right the last time we used it I think...
mipe

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Sat Dec 13, 2008 7:59 pm

So, no one else is reading between the lines there on mipe?
.

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Sat Dec 13, 2008 8:10 pm

Unagi wrote:So, no one else is reading between the lines there on mipe?
.

Are you talking about reading between the lines of his clue?

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Sat Dec 13, 2008 9:25 pm

Scoop20906 wrote:
Unagi wrote:So, no one else is reading between the lines there on mipe?
.
Are you talking about reading between the lines of his clue?

Yes. Well, not literally of course.

I am saying that while I see the big 'Plague Marine' message, I felt that part of the text was more of the traditional 'mipe hint', like when he was the herbalist.

Semaj · Post by **Semaj** » Sat Dec 13, 2008 9:35 pm

He _might_ have a better clue... but considering his last few dozen games, I could care less. We don't have a bad mipe to judge against.

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Sat Dec 13, 2008 10:37 pm

Unagi wrote:So, no one else is reading between the lines there on mipe?
.

his vote for himself as his first post is what bothers me and the fake hint (maybe there is a real hint in there disguised but then if he is not a wolf then they'll take him soon enough).

Why say I could be special and I'm not afraid to die in your first few posts.

Maybe so we'll look in another direction.

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Sun Dec 14, 2008 12:19 am

Lassr wrote:
Unagi wrote:So, no one else is reading between the lines there on mipe?
.
his vote for himself as his first post is what bothers me and the fake hint (maybe there is a real hint in there disguised but then if he is not a wolf then they'll take him soon enough).

Why say I could be special and I'm not afraid to die in your first few posts.

Maybe so we'll look in another direction.

Yeah, but I'm drinking the mipe coolaid. I don't think we should vote for him today. My gut is telling me that he is not a baddie this game. I'm not going to vote for mipe on Day One.

Frankly, the whole Austin/Chaos/Remus dynamic is interesting. What are the odds that Chaos and Austin are baddies and killed Remus and then one accuses the other to throw us off the trail?

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Sun Dec 14, 2008 12:56 am

Scoop20906 wrote:
Frankly, the whole Austin/Chaos/Remus dynamic is interesting. What are the odds that Chaos and Austin are baddies and killed Remus and then one accuses the other to throw us off the trail?

same odds that mipe and scoop are setting up Chaos/Austin to take the fall for Remus' death.

mipe · Post by **mipe** » Sun Dec 14, 2008 2:21 am

Semaj wrote:He _might_ have a better clue... but considering his last few dozen games, I could care less. We don't have a bad mipe to judge against.

Yeah, I have... But it seems that none of you see it...

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Sun Dec 14, 2008 6:28 am

Scoop20906 wrote:Frankly, the whole Austin/Chaos/Remus dynamic is interesting. What are the odds that Chaos and Austin are baddies and killed Remus and then one accuses the other to throw us off the trail?

Funny, you are the first one to mention that. What do you think Austin? Are you being set up or doing the setting up?

Semaj · Post by **Semaj** » Sun Dec 14, 2008 7:45 am

mipe wrote:
Semaj wrote:He _might_ have a better clue... but considering his last few dozen games, I could care less. We don't have a bad mipe to judge against.
Yeah, I have... But it seems that none of you see it...

Mipe, I'm fairly positive after about... o ... 5 minutes of debating whether to actually look and 3 minutes of looking at it I figured it out. Just because I didn't comment on it doesn't mean I don't know what you are claiming. Constantly pointing to it means you want the bad guys (if you are not one) to figure it out too. Why pray tell do you think all the people shut up about it? Either you are really really bad at this or you finally got one no one can figure out.

You want B, not to insult people who try to not draw attention to it.

At some point you have to start wondering if constantly leaving obvious or not so obvious (or so you think) hints about your role are things most people dont do for a reason... Well unless they are so ungodly vague only sheer blind luck would help someone crack it.

I really want to spend like 15 paragraphs ranting at you for how silly a clue is....

But I figured I'd try for explaining subtle.... With an example of it.

First, I'd probably mention spacetravel and how us marines are known for our desire to do it so we can go to other worlds and kill hostile alien creatures. We all enlist and want to be that guy. So now we have enemies in our midst who need some punishing. Otherwise those people back home we are protecting (Like anyone ever invades earth)... Mom, dad, little timmy...

Then a week from now I'd link http://images.elfwood.com/fanq/j/e/jeff ... travel.jpg" target="_blank and claim That guy in the background is clearly a (Insert powered choice here) and thats what I was gunning for in my not so obvious code...

One can argue otherwise, but the point is, unless someone spends hours scouring the internet, or trying to hack it, odds are they wont. I'd prefer if most people missed it and then later on kicked themselves... It has to be _subtle_.... Not hitting us over the hear with a brick with a neon blinking sign that says: "THIS IS ME! COME GET ME EVIL GUYS!"

It doesnt help when we purposely try not to draw attention to it and you keep yelling and screaming it's there. Yeah apparently I need to Lrn2Read... But you need to Lrn2Play

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Sun Dec 14, 2008 10:08 am

Lassr wrote:
Scoop20906 wrote:
Frankly, the whole Austin/Chaos/Remus dynamic is interesting. What are the odds that Chaos and Austin are baddies and killed Remus and then one accuses the other to throw us off the trail?
same odds that mipe and scoop are setting up Chaos/Austin to take the fall for Remus' death.

LOL. I bet you guys would love a Mipe/Scoop baddie duo. Imagine the utter confusion we could cause before we crash and burn in a blaze of glory.

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Sun Dec 14, 2008 10:15 am

stessier wrote:
Scoop20906 wrote:Frankly, the whole Austin/Chaos/Remus dynamic is interesting. What are the odds that Chaos and Austin are baddies and killed Remus and then one accuses the other to throw us off the trail?
Funny, you are the first one to mention that. What do you think Austin? Are you being set up or doing the setting up?

Funny, you were the first to hint at it, Stessier.

stessier wrote:Sorry, yes, I was traveling.

Austin

has some 'splainin' to do.

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Sun Dec 14, 2008 10:23 am

mipe wrote:I'm pretty sure that Remus wasn't Seer, or any other special.

What I would do as a badguy (expect I have never been a badguy in OO werewolf games...), would be scan a person, and if they come as special, convert, or if normal, convert. Only situations that I wouldn't convert is that if they found Chaplin (spelling?), or they want to make us think about "Why no convert?"

Withdraw Mipe

Sheesh... Can't a person vote himself anymore?

Every time I feel confident Mipe isn't a baddie, he posts stuff like this that tweaks my lidar again.

I'm really torn at the moment about what to do with him. I know what Mipe is capable of but at the same time, nobody looks as remotely guilty as he does right now. Even if I wanted to vote for someone else I really don't have as strong candidate a candidate for my vote on Day One.

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Sun Dec 14, 2008 11:07 am

Scoop20906 wrote: Funny, you were the first to hint at it, Stessier.

stessier wrote:Sorry, yes, I was traveling.

Austin

has some 'splainin' to do.

I never said what he had to explain. Why did you think I was suggesting that?

Austin · Post by **Austin** » Sun Dec 14, 2008 1:47 pm

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Sun Dec 14, 2008 2:13 pm

stessier wrote:
Scoop20906 wrote: Funny, you were the first to hint at it, Stessier.

stessier wrote:Sorry, yes, I was traveling.

Austin

has some 'splainin' to do.
I never said what he had to explain. Why did you think I was suggesting that?

There were several ways to read your comment. That was just one of them. Also thought you might be referring to his missle launcher comment too. I'm fishing just like you Stessier. There isn't much else I can do.

mipe · Post by **mipe** » Sun Dec 14, 2008 3:22 pm

Mission Complete!

purge · Post by **purge** » Sun Dec 14, 2008 4:47 pm

I have no interest in fish.

I'm tryin' to find me some Ho. Ho Ho.

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Mon Dec 15, 2008 7:59 am

Okay, time limit is engaged. Let's get this show on the road.

So tell me why we shouldn't lynch Austin?

tru1cy · Post by **tru1cy** » Mon Dec 15, 2008 8:01 am

I think I need to call the game. I gave wrong information to the EC about one of thier scans that could have effected the game. They scanned a special and told them that it was a normal. I corrected the error, but I think I need to be fair to both sides. I would like opinion if we should carry on?

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Mon Dec 15, 2008 8:22 am

There is really no way to answer that question without blowing the game one way or the other.

Just re-roll?

tru1cy · Post by **tru1cy** » Mon Dec 15, 2008 9:05 am

stessier wrote:There is really no way to answer that question without blowing the game one way or the other.

Just re-roll?

I like the re-roll idea, but that's up to the players. The EC's indicated we could continue on playing this game and again I think it's up to the players

Semaj · Post by **Semaj** » Mon Dec 15, 2008 9:46 am

Meh, up to you guys....

I assume the results of the scan would change their kill order?

I thought both orders were sent in at the same time.... heh

Semaj · Post by **Semaj** » Mon Dec 15, 2008 9:50 am

Anyways.....

We can either
A) reroll - meh it seems rather early for a reroll but maybe thats why it's not a big deal.
B) change the decisions made _after_ the scan result, if they change any, it's early enough in the game if you went: No wait, *x* is dead, not remus, I wouldn't be too sad. Not like there was a reason remus died... unless you spoilerised him already, in which case ignore this option.
c) Continue play from this point on.

If it's a huge game-altering decision, then something needs to be done, but if their play hasn't changed too much because of it, then we should just play through.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Mon Dec 15, 2008 10:27 am

Your call in the end, but I guess if this would have effected the EC mostly, and they said play on - play on.

Re-rolls always take a little wind out of people I think.

Ultimately your call, but that's my opinion. I guess it depends on how you feel the results of the game would feel, etc.

tru1cy · Post by **tru1cy** » Mon Dec 15, 2008 10:30 am

I'm inclined to play on. I just want to be upfront.

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Mon Dec 15, 2008 10:30 am

tru1cy wrote:
stessier wrote:There is really no way to answer that question without blowing the game one way or the other.

Just re-roll?

I'm good with whatever decision is made. You and one's affected would know the best if it affects the game.

purge · Post by **purge** » Mon Dec 15, 2008 10:35 am

Tru1cy to reroll

We're not firing you, but I think a new hand should be dealt.

I think Remus would like a reroll too

Note: I am not one of those interested parties.

And Kudos to Tru1cy for being upfront about it.

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Mon Dec 15, 2008 10:41 am

See, I think it would have been better had we never known. Now we know a Special has been scanned. Had he just told the EC and they were good with continuing, I wouldn't have had a problem with it since it really only hurt them.

I just think now we know too much.

That being said, I'll keep playing if that is the decision. I should have this all figured out by the next game day morning anyway.