Dip Game 2 Game Over

[El Guapo]

Don't feel bad. England hadn't been invaded since 1066... until your watch. So at least you'll be more than a footnote in the annals!

And even then, it was the French as well. Maybe it's just a Norman thing!

[El Guapo]

(clears throat)

[Remus West]

Results for Spring, 1905 (Movement)
General Notices:
Order resolution completed on 23-Aug-2007 at 12:02:01 HST

Order Results:
France:
France: A bel Supports A par -> bur
France: F bre -> mao
France: A bur -> ruh
France: F edi Supports F nwg -> nth
France: F eng Supports F nwg -> nth
France: F lon Supports F nwg -> nth
France: F nwg -> nth
France: A par -> bur
France: A yor Holds

Germany:
Germany: A ber Holds
Germany: F hel -> hol
Germany: F kie Supports F hel -> hol
Support cut by Move from Denmark.
Dislodged from den (2 against 1).

Italy:
Italy: A alb -> tri
Italy: F bla Supports F arm -> sev
Italy: A bud Supports A ser -> rum
Italy: A bul Supports A ser -> rum
Italy: F gre -> aeg
Italy: F ion -> eas
Italy: A mun -> bur
Bounced with par (1 against 1).
Italy: F nap -> ion
Italy: F rom -> tys
Italy: A ser -> rum
Italy: F tri -> adr
Italy: A ven -> tyr

Russia:
The Fleet in Sevastopol cannot retreat; unit destroyed.

Russia: F bal Supports A den -> kie
Russia: A den -> kie
Russia: A gal -> vie
Russia: F nwy Supports F ska -> nth
Russia: A rum Supports F sev
Support cut by Move from Serbia.
Dislodged from ser (3 against 1).
Russia: F sev Holds
Dislodged from arm (2 against 1).
Russia: F ska -> nth
Failed.
Russia: A war -> gal

Turkey:
Turkey: F arm -> sev
Turkey: A smy -> con

Retreat/Disband Orders due Thursday 11:59 PM PST
If I do not receive disband orders I will retreat the units to their only legal province and advance the game.

[Remus West]

Results for Spring, 1905 (Retreat)
General Notices:
Order resolution completed on 24-Aug-2007 at 07:11:29 HST

Order Results:
France:

Germany:
Germany: F kie -> hel

Italy:

Russia:
Russia: A rum -> ukr

Turkey:

Orders for Fall 1905 due Monday 11:59 PM EST

Note the change back of the time zone please

[El Guapo]

When do we check to see if my scientists have developed tanks yet?

[Grundbegriff]

When do we check to see if my scientists have developed tanks yet?

After you're done smoking whatever you're smoking....

[Remus West]

Reminder.

[Remus West]

Results for Fall, 1905 (Movement)
General Notices:
Order resolution completed on 28-Aug-2007 at 03:11:44 GMT-05:00

Order Results:
France:
France: A bel Supports A yor -> hol
France: A bur -> mun
France: F edi Supports F nth
France: F eng -> mao
France: F lon -> eng
France: F mao -> wes
France: F nth Convoys A yor -> hol
France: A ruh Supports A yor -> hol
France: A yor -> hol
Convoy path taken: yor→nth→hol.
Germany:
Germany: A ber -> kie
Bounced with kie (1 against 1).
Dislodged from kie (2 against 1).
Germany: F hel -> den
Bounced with ska (1 against 1).
Germany: F hol -> nth
Bounced with nth (1 against 2).
Dislodged from yor (3 against 1).
Italy:
Italy: F adr -> ion
Italy: F aeg -> con
Italy: F bla -> ank
Italy: A bud Holds
Italy: A bul Supports F aeg -> con
Italy: F eas -> smy
Italy: F ion -> tys
Italy: A mun -> boh
Italy: A rum -> gal
Failed because Russia: A gal -> bud failed.
Italy: A tri -> vie
Italy: A tyr Supports A tri -> vie
Italy: F tys -> lyo

Russia:
The Army in Vienna cannot retreat; unit destroyed.

Russia: F bal Supports A kie -> ber
Russia: A gal -> bud
Bounced with bud (1 against 1).
Russia: A kie -> ber
Russia: F nwy -> ska
Failed because Russia: F ska -> den failed.
Russia: F ska -> den
Bounced with hel (1 against 1).
Russia: A ukr -> rum
Bounced with sev (1 against 1).
Russia: A vie Supports A gal -> bud
Support cut by Move from Trieste.
Dislodged from tri (2 against 1).
Turkey:
The Army in Constantinople cannot retreat; unit destroyed.

Turkey: A con Holds
Dislodged from aeg (2 against 1).
Turkey: F sev -> rum
Bounced with ukr (1 against 1).

Retreat Orders due Tuesday 11:59 PM EST

[Remus West]

update coming after work today, sorry, I was a bit rushed this morning and did not get everything done I meant to.

[Remus West]

Results for Fall, 1905 (Retreat)
General Notices:
Order resolution completed on 29-Aug-2007 at 15:58:06 GMT-05:00

Order Results:
France:
Supply centers were gained. Units that may be built: 2.

Germany:
Supply centers were lost. Units that must be removed: 2.

Germany: A ber -> pru
Germany: F hol -> kie

Italy:
Supply centers were gained. Units that may be built: 2.

Russia:
Supply centers were gained. Units that may be built: 1.

Turkey:

Having not received orders I retreated so that Germany remained in possesion of its Supply center. This did not change ownership of the province since Russia was only there in the Spring not the Fall.

Build/Remove orders due Thursday 11:59 PM EST

[El Guapo]

Strictly speaking Germany would be in possession of its SC regardless of its retreats, since Russia never gained possession of it. But I agree that those retreats are logical (without orders, I would err on the side of assuming that Russia does not want to destroy its retreating fleet).

[Grundbegriff]

(without orders, I would err on the side of assuming that Russia does not want to destroy its retreating fleet).

Nor Germany....

[Remus West]

(without orders, I would err on the side of assuming that Russia does not want to destroy its retreating fleet).

Nor Germany....

Germany still has to remove 2 units so if he wanted to disband either unit it is easy enough for him to do so now. As I said, the province did not change ownership due to that move so I figured it was the fairest.

[Grundbegriff]

(without orders, I would err on the side of assuming that Russia does not want to destroy its retreating fleet).

Nor Germany....

Germany still has to remove 2 units so if he wanted to disband either unit it is easy enough for him to do so now. As I said, the province did not change ownership due to that move so I figured it was the fairest.

I misread something. Nevermind.

[El Guapo]

(without orders, I would err on the side of assuming that Russia does not want to destroy its retreating fleet).

Nor Germany....

Eh, whoopsie

[Remus West]

Results for Fall, 1905 (Adjustment)
General Notices:
Order resolution completed on 30-Aug-2007 at 15:10:52 GMT-05:00

Order Results:
France:
France: Builds F mar
France: Builds A par

Germany:
Germany: Removes F hel
Germany: Removes A pru

Italy:
Italy: Builds A rom
Italy: Builds A ven

Russia:
Russia: Builds A mos

Turkey:

Spring 1906 Orders due SUNDAY SEPTEMBER 9TH

Long Break because El Guapo is getting hitched. Congratulations El Guapo.

[El Guapo]

Sorry for causing a delay, but as Remus mentioned I am getting married this Sunday. Somehow I suspect the soon-to-be missus (sp?) would not be too understanding if I spent time staring at a Diplomacy board during our wedding preparations and relaxation time afterwards. "But honey, I have to defend France!"

But hey - at least you can be glad that I'm not taking a full honeymoon until April!

[Grundbegriff]

Long Break because El Guapo is getting hitched. Congratulations El Guapo.

Remember, Guapster: You can Hold and Support at the same time.

[El Guapo]

Long Break because El Guapo is getting hitched. Congratulations El Guapo.

Remember, Guapster: You can Hold and Support at the same time.

[El Guapo]

I'm back! The bloodletting can resume!

Also, I think a round where I submit everyone's moves for them would be appropriate as a wedding present. And cheap!

[Remus West]

Reminder.

[Remus West]

PMs sent to those who have not submitted orders. We should have an update in the morning (or after work if I hit snooze to many times).

[Remus West]

Results for Spring, 1906 (Movement)
General Notices:
Order resolution completed on 10-Sep-2007 at 19:31:37 GMT-05:00

Order Results:
France:
France: A bel -> bur
France: F edi -> nth
France: F eng -> mao
France: A hol -> kie
Bounced with kie (1 against 1).
France: F mar -> lyo
Bounced with lyo (1 against 2).
France: F mao -> spa/sc
France: A mun Supports A gal -> boh
Support cut by Move from Tyrolia.
France: F nth -> eng
France: A par -> gas
France: A ruh Supports A mun
France: F wes -> tun
Bounced with ion (1 against 1).
Germany:
No order for unit at Kiel. Hold order assigned.

Germany: F kie Holds

Italy:
No order for unit at Rome. Hold order assigned.

Italy: F ank -> arm
Italy: A boh -> sil
Bounced with ber (1 against 1).
Italy: A bud Supports A vie -> gal
Italy: A bul Supports A rum
Italy: F con -> bla
Italy: F lyo Supports A ven -> pie
Support cut by Move from Marseilles.
Italy: F ion -> tun
Bounced with wes (1 against 1).
Italy: A rom Holds
Italy: A rum Supports A ukr -> sev
Italy: F smy -> aeg
Italy: A tyr -> mun
Bounced with mun (1 against 2).
Italy: F tys Supports F lyo
Italy: A ven -> pie
Italy: A vie -> gal

Russia:
Russia: F bal -> ber
Failed because Russia: A ber -> sil failed.
Russia: A ber -> sil
Bounced with boh (1 against 1).
Russia: A gal -> boh
Failed because Italy: A boh -> sil failed.
Dislodged from vie (2 against 1).
Russia: A mos Supports A ukr -> sev
Russia: F nwy Holds
Russia: F ska -> den
Russia: A ukr -> sev

Turkey:
The Fleet in Sevastopol cannot retreat; unit destroyed.

Turkey: F sev Supports A rum
Dislodged from ukr (3 against 1).

Retreat Orders due Tuesday 11:59 PM EST

[Remus West]

Results for Spring, 1906 (Retreat)
General Notices:
Order resolution completed on 10-Sep-2007 at 21:15:37 GMT-05:00

Order Results:
France:
Germany:
Italy:
Russia:
Russia: A gal -> ukr

Turkey:

Fall 1906 Orders due Thursday 11:59 PM EST

[Remus West]

Quick note. I made an error in the orders.

Italy: A Rome -> Tuscany was the order received.
Italy: A Rome Hold was the order processed.

When I cut and paste it into Word I chopped that order off. I will fix this tomorrow. For now please note that Italy's Army in Rome is actually in Tuscany. There was no interference with that move so it will go through. Other than that the board will look the same. My appologies to all. I am not changing the deadline for orders as I think you/we can easily work with the map and the knowledge of where the Army actually is.

[Remus West]

Accurate Map:


This map should accurately show the positions of all units. Please let me know if there is an error.

[Remus West]

Results for Fall, 1906 (Movement)
General Notices:
Order resolution completed on 14-Sep-2007 at 08:44:42 GMT-05:00

Order Results:
France:
France: A bur Supports A gas -> mar
France: F eng -> mao
France: A gas -> mar
France: A hol -> kie
Bounced with kie (1 against 1).
France: F mar -> lyo
France: F mao -> naf
France: A mun Supports A bur
Support cut by Move from Tyrolia.
France: F nth Holds
France: A ruh Supports A mun
France: F spa/sc Supports F mar -> lyo
France: F wes Supports F mar -> lyo

Germany:
Germany: F kie Holds
Dislodged from den (2 against 1).

Italy:
Italy: F aeg -> ion
Italy: F arm Supports A rum -> sev
Italy: F bla Supports A rum -> sev
Italy: A boh Supports A tyr -> mun
Italy: A bud -> vie
Italy: A bul -> rum
Italy: A gal -> war
Bounced with ukr (1 against 1).
Italy: F lyo Holds
Dislodged from mar (3 against 2).
Italy: F ion -> tun
Italy: A pie -> mar
Bounced with gas (1 against 1).
Italy: A rum -> sev
Italy: A tus -> ven
Italy: A tyr -> mun
Bounced with mun (2 against 2).
Italy: F tys Supports F lyo

Russia:
The Army in Sevastopol cannot retreat; unit destroyed.

Russia: F bal Supports F den -> kie
Russia: A ber Supports A ruh -> mun
Support failed. Supported unit's order does not match support given.
Russia: F den -> kie
Russia: A mos Supports A sev
Russia: F nwy Holds
Russia: A sev Holds
Dislodged from rum (3 against 2).
Russia: A ukr -> war
Bounced with gal (1 against 1).

Turkey:

As both retreating units had one option I went ahead and made those moves for them. If the owners of those units would rather disband them I will go back and rerun the retreat.

[Remus West]

Results for Fall, 1906 (Retreat)
General Notices:
Order resolution completed on 14-Sep-2007 at 08:46:50 GMT-05:00

Order Results:
France:

Germany:
Supply centers were lost. Units that must be removed: 1.
Germany: F kie -> hel

Italy:
Supply centers were gained. Units that may be built: 1.
Italy: F lyo -> tus

Russia:
Supply centers were gained. Units that may be built: 2.

Turkey:

Build Orders due by Sunday 11:59 PM EST if I get them earlier I will run the turn then.

[Grundbegriff]

As both retreating units had one option I went ahead and made those moves for them. If the owners of those units would rather disband them I will go back and rerun the retreat.

Yeah, that retreat's fine. In fact, that retreat is why I opened up Tuscany.

Russia:
The Army in Sevastopol cannot retreat; unit destroyed.

God help me, I do love it so.

[Remus West]

Results for Fall, 1906 (Adjustment)
General Notices:
Order resolution completed on 16-Sep-2007 at 20:30:46 GMT-05:00

Order Results:
France:

Germany:
Germany no longer controls any supply centers, and has been eliminated.
Germany: Removes F hel

Italy:
Italy: Builds F nap

Russia:
Russia: Builds A stp
Russia: Builds A war

Turkey:
Turkey no longer controls any supply centers, and has been eliminated.

Final 3
Orders for Spring 1907 due Wednesday 11:59 PM EST

If you guys submit orders early and mark them as final (just put it in the PM title) I will run the phase early.

[Matthew]

I propose we vote for a 3 way draw. Unless France and Russia turn on each other, this won't go anywhere. Good game, guys.

[Grundbegriff]

I disagree. You may be confident that your play has been solid enough that you'll certainly find your way in a three-way stalemate. I'm not as confident that you'll get there, given the fact that you've made a mistake or two.

I presently have play (and plans) on the board, and would like to see it through until a proper draw or a victory occurs.

Of course, you're welcome to withdraw and have all your positions hold by default.

[El Guapo]

I disagree. You may be confident that your play has been solid enough that you'll certainly find your way in a three-way stalemate. I'm not as confident that you'll get there, given the fact that you've made a mistake or two.

I presently have play (and plans) on the board, and would like to see it through until a proper draw or a victory occurs.

Of course, you're welcome to withdraw and have all your positions hold by default.

I would also vote for a draw. He is right, you know, that absent either Russia or myself turning on each other, there's no possiblity for a breakthrough that would lead to you reaching 18 centers. And we're not talking complicated moved here, we're talking about forgetting to order F Nwy S A StP, or whatever. But with that said, I'm happy to play things out as long as any of us would like. Actually, that's what the rules require anyways.

And hey, now the game is really feeling like World War I.

[Grundbegriff]

there's no possiblity for a breakthrough that would lead to you reaching 18 centers.

That depends, doesn't it, on the quality of the calculations each player makes? Having exploded three or four of Matthew's units, I'm interested in seeing just how he'll play things out. You're a careful player, El Guapo, so I'm interested in seeing how you'll interact with my moves in these final few turns.

And we're not talking complicated moved here, we're talking about forgetting to order F Nwy S A StP, or whatever.

Since everything's so simple and transparent, perhaps everyone could agree to a daily move, achieving a year every other day rather than a year every week or week and a half.

Thoughts?

And hey, now the game is really feeling like World War I.

Heh

[Remus West]

Results for Spring, 1907 (Movement)
General Notices:
No retreating units; retreat phase skipped.
Order resolution completed on 19-Sep-2007 at 23:59:22 GMT-05:00

Order Results:
France:
France: A bur -> mun
France: F lyo Supports A mar -> pie
France: A hol Holds
France: A mar -> pie
Bounced with pie (2 against 2).
France: F mao Supports F wes
France: A mun -> sil
France: F naf -> tun
Bounced with tun (2 against 2).
France: F nth Holds
France: A ruh Supports A bur -> mun
France: F spa/sc Supports F lyo
France: F wes Supports F naf -> tun

Italy:
Italy: F arm Supports A sev
Italy: F bla -> con
Italy: A boh -> sil
Bounced with mun (1 against 1).
Italy: A gal Supports A rum -> ukr
Italy: F ion Supports F tun
Italy: F nap -> tys
Italy: A pie Supports F tus
Support cut by Move from Marseilles.
Italy: A rum -> ukr
Bounced with ukr (3 against 3).
Italy: A sev Supports A rum -> ukr
Italy: F tun Supports F nap -> tys
Support cut by Move from North Africa.
Italy: F tus Supports F nap -> tys
Italy: A tyr -> mun
Bounced with bur (1 against 1).
Italy: F tys -> rom
Italy: A ven Supports A pie
Italy: A vie Supports A gal

Russia:
Russia: F bal -> pru
Russia: A ber Supports A mun -> sil
Russia: F kie Holds
Russia: A mos Supports A ukr
Russia: F nwy -> swe
Russia: A stp -> lvn
Russia: A ukr Holds
Russia: A war Supports A ukr

Orders for Fall 1907 due Friday 11:59 PM EST

Once again, if orders are received early I will run the turn early. Additionally if the three of you vote (must be 3-0) to up the turn sequence to 24 hours I am happy to do that.

[Grundbegriff]

I propose we vote for a 3 way draw.

I would also vote for a draw.

You're right. It's fundamentally unfair for me to keep you both in this game against your expressed will, when the outcome can be reasonably foreseen.

I'll join your two votes for a 3-way draw, since I now have an idea I like better: why don't both of you join the Diplomacy game I'm about to run?

Remus West will be playing, and riding roughshod over him is bound to be nothing if not fun.

[El Guapo]

I propose we vote for a 3 way draw.

I would also vote for a draw.

You're right. It's fundamentally unfair for me to keep you both in this game against your expressed will, when the outcome can be reasonably foreseen.

I'll join your two votes for a 3-way draw, since I now have an idea I like better: why don't both of you join the Diplomacy game I'm about to run?

Remus West will be playing, and riding roughshod over him is bound to be nothing if not fun.

Well, you are free to keep the game going if you wish, as that is part of the game. But I think it's even more evident now that a purely military breakthrough is impossible. Well, it's possible for you to take Gulf of Lyon, but that fleet is actually totally unnecessary for the stalemate line - Wes, Spa, and Mar would all still be impregnable.

[El Guapo]

I propose we vote for a 3 way draw.

I would also vote for a draw.

You're right. It's fundamentally unfair for me to keep you both in this game against your expressed will, when the outcome can be reasonably foreseen.

I'll join your two votes for a 3-way draw, since I now have an idea I like better: why don't both of you join the Diplomacy game I'm about to run?

Remus West will be playing, and riding roughshod over him is bound to be nothing if not fun.

Well, you are free to keep the game going if you wish, as that is part of the game. And I would be fine with a series of one-day turns as you suggested, if you would like. But I think it's even more evident now that a purely military breakthrough is impossible. Well, it's possible for you to take Gulf of Lyon, but that fleet is actually totally unnecessary for the stalemate line - Wes, Spa, and Mar would all still be impregnable.

[Remus West]

I propose we vote for a 3 way draw.

I would also vote for a draw.

You're right. It's fundamentally unfair for me to keep you both in this game against your expressed will, when the outcome can be reasonably foreseen.

I'll join your two votes for a 3-way draw, since I now have an idea I like better: why don't both of you join the Diplomacy game I'm about to run?

Game Over then, Draw.

Remus West will be playing, and riding roughshod over him is bound to be nothing if not fun.

Hey, that hurts.

[Grundbegriff]

Thanks to all. Good game.

Thanks in particular to st_dysan, who agreed to collaborate with me in pushing back Russia after it became evident that Turkey's prospects were dimming. He was a good partner.

Thanks also to El Guapo, who provided me a number of rules clarifications that were most helpful for a first-time player.