Racism in America (with data)

[LawBeefaroni]

(Florida Senate wants to ban DACA attorneys, but not until 2028)

How many of them are there in Florida and on the state bar to start with... that are NOT naturalized?

This is not the right question.

I know that, but I'm trying to figure out how many people would this even affect.

Everyone who needs asylum from Florida?

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I think they're trying to ban attorneys with DACA status, not attorneys who work DACA cases.

[hepcat]

This guy cracks me up.

[malchior]

Nailed it.

[LawBeefaroni]

I'm done getting riled up by the trolling nonsense on Twitter.

Yes, Coulter is a terrible, racist person. Do I want to spend my time hanging around her listening to what she has to say? Fuck no. My life is less for every syllable of hers I digest.

[malchior]

Sure - it's just a pulse check that open racism is 1) tolerated on mainstream platforms and 2) that leads to the GOP to invent racist narratives (e.g., blacks depend on Democratic handouts to survive) to explain why they can't pull past 10-15% of the black vote. Twitter might be trending towards racist troll pit but it is still a major venue used by almost every news organization to some degree.

[Jaymann]

TIL that digital blackface is a thing. Ain't nobody got time for that.

[Blackhawk]

I went and read up. I get the need to rein in extreme behaviors, but sometimes I feel like we're taking it so far that it's becoming impossible to communicate without risking crossing some line that wasn't there last week.

[Jaymann]

I guess this would be an example. An image I see just about every day.



It perfectly conveys somebody who knows what's up. But because it's a black dude a white person can't use it? Plus the internet is anonymous, how would anybody know the color of your skin? And what about people who identify as being black. It all seems too convoluted.

[Blackhawk]

Based on what I read, that probably would not count. It isn't an extreme reaction or something related to Black culture.

[malchior]

No surprises here - Feds find that Minneapolis police have a systemic racism problem. I think I'm on relatively safe ground wondering whether they came to these conclusions because of unique circumstances there or because systemic racism is a huge problem in many cities in the United States.

A federal investigation into the Minneapolis Police Department, launched in the wake of the 2020 murder of George Floyd, found that the police department and the city itself engage in a "pattern or practice" of excessive force and racial discrimination that violates both the United States Constitution and federal law.

The so-called pattern-or-practice investigation — like the federal investigations into police departments in cities including Baltimore; Ferguson, Missouri; and, most recently, Louisville, Kentucky — focused on widespread issues within the police department rather than individual incidents.

The Minneapolis Police Department, the probe found, “uses excessive force, including unjustified deadly force and other types of force”; “unlawfully discriminates against Black and Native American people in its enforcement activities”; “violates the rights of people engaged in protected speech”; and discriminates against people with behavioral health issues.

The below is rich. It's almost like there are words to describe the sources of these GOP-backed policing policy positions? Authoritarianism? White nationalism?

The Trump administration, under then-Attorney General Jeff Sessions, backed away from investigations of police departments, saying that such probes harmed law enforcement. Attorney General Merrick Garland rescinded Sessions' memo in early 2021, and the Minneapolis probe was launched in April of that year.

[Isgrimnur]

Ex-officer Thao convicted of aiding George Floyd’s killing

Former Minneapolis officer sentenced to nearly 5 years for role in George Floyd's killing

Former Minneapolis police officer Tou Thao, the last officer facing state sentencing in George Floyd's death, was sentenced Monday to 4 years and 9 months in prison for his role in the May 2020 arrest that sparked global protests and a national reckoning on police brutality and systemic racism.

[LawBeefaroni]

Ex-officer Thao convicted of aiding George Floyd’s killing

Former Minneapolis officer sentenced to nearly 5 years for role in George Floyd's killing

Former Minneapolis police officer Tou Thao, the last officer facing state sentencing in George Floyd's death, was sentenced Monday to 4 years and 9 months in prison for his role in the May 2020 arrest that sparked global protests and a national reckoning on police brutality and systemic racism.

That's about 3 years, 2 months with good behavior IIR Minnesota correctly (1 for 2).

[Isgrimnur]

Hard time for a "human traffic cone".

[malchior]

[malchior]

North Carolina hates black elected figures

For the second time this year, the North Carolina Judicial Standards Commission has opened a formal investigation into Anita Earls, the state Supreme Court’s only Black woman justice. For the offense of describing during a recent interview the ways she has been “treated differently” by her white colleagues—all Republicans who, Earls says, “very much see themselves as a conservative bloc”—the Republican-led Commission alleges that Earls may have undermined “public confidence in the integrity and the impartiality of the judiciary.” The investigation can result in disciplinary action ranging from a formal letter of caution to removal from the bench.

This is highly unusual in North Carolina: Last year, fewer than four percent of complaints to the Commission resulted in formal investigations. But for Black elected officials like Earls, the looming threat of discipline, up to and including removal from their positions, is becoming disturbingly commonplace. Across the country, the White Powers That Be are more concerned with pretending the system is fair than making the system fair, and aim to silence the people willing to say that it’s not.

Earls’s comments came in an interview with Law360 earlier this year, during which Earls was asked about the snow-white makeup of both the state’s appellate bench and also the attorneys who appear before the court. In the interview, Earls discussed implicit bias, hurdles that women and people of color face in the legal profession, and a courtroom culture that affords white men greater respect than everyone else. “I’m not suggesting that any of this is conscious, intentional, racial animus,” she clarified. “But I do think that our court system, like any other court system, is made up of human beings and I believe the research that shows that we all have implicit biases.”

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As for Earls, she is now suing in federal court to get the Commission to call off its dogs. The results of the investigation, though, may be less important than the chilling effect it could have in North Carolina and beyond. The state is trying to make an example of Earls and make it risky for people like her to raise their voices. And if the public is to ever have something resembling a fair judiciary, it’s up to everyone else to make sure the state doesn’t hear the end of it.

[Isgrimnur]

The end of Reconstruction was a mistake.

[Unagi]

North Carolina hates black elected figures

For the offense of describing during a recent interview the ways she has been “treated differently”

This is highly unusual in North Carolina

Seems the data supports her point, and the threat underscores it.

[Punisher]

North Carolina hates black elected figures

For the offense of describing during a recent interview the ways she has been “treated differently”

This is highly unusual in North Carolina

Seems the data supports her point, and the threat underscores it.

Wait... are you saying that if someone accuses you of treating them differently then your response shouldn't be to treat them differently?
What if they are trying to play a reverse uno card?

[Unagi]

North Carolina hates black elected figures

For the offense of describing during a recent interview the ways she has been “treated differently”

This is highly unusual in North Carolina

Seems the data supports her point, and the threat underscores it.

Wait... are you saying that if someone accuses you of treating them differently then your response shouldn't be to treat them differently?
What if they are trying to play a reverse uno card?

If it's just two players - then it's their turn again.

[Blackhawk]

This isn't going to go over well.

PHILADELPHIA (AP) — A judge dismissed murder and other charges Tuesday against a Philadelphia police officer who shot and killed a driver through a rolled-up window — a confrontation police initially described as the officer shooting the driver after he lunged at him with a knife outside the car.

The defense was that the cop claimed he fired in self-defense, as he believed the victim had a gun.

His partner yelled "knife!", and the shooter later reported that the guy had come after him with a knife.

And his defense was that he thought it was gun.

[malchior]

I've been wondering all day how whether he might have heard the word "gun" not a question for a jury? There are some fairly straight laced people talking about removing the judge. It's not a good day for justice but that's a Tuesday in America nowadays. In the meantime, the dismissal is being appealed. I have no idea what will happen but this is some wild stuff.

[Blackhawk]

If it stands, this is one where Floyd-scale demonstrations are, in my opinion, warranted.

[malchior]

Unfortunately there were some reports of looting/rioting in Philadelphia overnight. It was relatively localized but the right-wing is of course playing it up as a blue city gone wrong - (context free natch!). Unfortunately in this environment these sort of responses may very well lead to perpetuating the situation.

[hepcat]

Conversation I just had with the right wing coworker who sits near me at work:

(discussing her plans for the weekend)

Coworker: Going to Rivers Casino this weekend.

Me: Have fun.

Coworker (unprompted and with no segue): Lot of Asians there.

Me: <sighing>

Coworker: What? It's true. They have the money.

Me: <Attempting to make her realize what she said might be offensive> What kind of Asians?

Coworker: Who knows. I can't tell them apart.

The fact that she clearly doesn't think this kind of discussion is in any, shape or form problematic on any level is astonishing to me.

[Blackhawk]

At least she said 'Asians.'

[Kraken]

At least she said 'Asians.'

Back in my day "orientals" was the polite word. We had many impolite words.

[malchior]

How's this for a data point. Good lord.

[hepcat]

There are numerous important historical figures whose deeds are remembered even if they themselves were not terribly nice...and rightfully so. Even if Kirk is right, his belief that MLK may not have been a really nice guy is essentially irrelevant to what he accomplished.

[LordMortis]

Wait, a largely racist nation didn't like a black guy who was fighting for advancement of black people to make them more equal in the eyes of the law? And he may not have been completely a saint nor evenThoreau or Gandhi like even as he tried to get to a place where all the brethren in the US could be? That doesn't sound right.

[hepcat]

Trump reposting that tweet this in 3...2...

[LordMortis]

Trump reposting that tweet this in 3...2...

Or Musk...

[hepcat]

Musk basically did by allowing it.

[Unagi]

And, honest question.


While he may be and should be honored… is he really ‘worshiped’ and ‘deified’ ?
Talk about sensationalism

[hepcat]

I think Kirk is just pissed that he was "uppity".

[Blackhawk]

Against my better judgment, I clicked that Tweet to see the rest of what he had to say.

He didn't have anything else to say.

And yes, a lot of historical figures had flaws. We, humans, have a distorted way of looking at our storied figures. We expect them to be perfect to a degree that's just not possible in human beings. Most of our greatest leaders, heroes, and historical figures have so-called 'dark sides', which, at the end of the day, are just the same kind of bad habits, vices, and flaws that every other human being has. The problem is that we have an entirely unrealistic view of our 'heroes', expecting them to fit a standard that denies their humanity.

There are certainly cases where the bad outweighs the good (Columbus comes to mind), and they do - or should- lose their status. But pointing out a few flaws in a beloved figure (which you can do with everyone from Abraham Lincoln to MLK to Mother Teresa to Ghandi to the Dalai Lama) doesn't tarnish them at all. It simply acknowledges that they're normal, flawed human beings who nonetheless achieved something great.

The fearless man cannot be praised for bravery, and the flawless man cannot be praised for doing well.

[YellowKing]

Conservatives are notoriously consistent in their ability to cherry pick one part of literally anything and use it (they think) to discredit the whole. Ex: Because one mass shooter wasn't caught by red flag laws, red flag laws don't work and therefore aren't worth pursuing. The fact that they do it with people (particularly minorities) is par for the course. I mean how many times have we seen them point out a victim of police brutality's criminal record?

[Holman]

Against my better judgment, I clicked that Tweet to see the rest of what he had to say.

He didn't have anything else to say.

And yes, a lot of historical figures had flaws. We, humans, have a distorted way of looking at our storied figures. We expect them to be perfect to a degree that's just not possible in human beings. Most of our greatest leaders, heroes, and historical figures have so-called 'dark sides', which, at the end of the day, are just the same kind of bad habits, vices, and flaws that every other human being has. The problem is that we have an entirely unrealistic view of our 'heroes', expecting them to fit a standard that denies their humanity.

There are certainly cases where the bad outweighs the good (Columbus comes to mind), and they do - or should- lose their status. But pointing out a few flaws in a beloved figure (which you can do with everyone from Abraham Lincoln to MLK to Mother Teresa to Ghandi to the Dalai Lama) doesn't tarnish them at all. It simply acknowledges that they're normal, flawed human beings who nonetheless achieved something great.

The fearless man cannot be praised for bravery, and the flawless man cannot be praised for doing well.

Of course none of what Charlie Kirk is doing is about King's character flaws. They'll lead with that (King was a well-known philanderer, for example), but the real point is to remind people that King was widely hated by whites (whom he made very uncomfortable) when he was assassinated, and to invite them to embrace that racist hatred again.

They know exactly what they're doing.

[hepcat]

Yeah, this is pure racism. Period.

Edit: JFC, it’s far more worse than just the tweet above.

Kirk acknowledged he referred to the passage of the 1968 Civil Rights Act as "a mistake." Kirk said the legislation banning segregation caused a "refounding of the United States."

Kirk announced Blake Neff, who resigned from Fox News after racist comments surfaced, is now "Director of MLK History" at the Charlie Kirk Show

Neff suggested King's name implies a monarchy and implied those who don't speak out against King are "worried about treason."

[Unagi]

lol