I'm pretty sure that socialism is the new socialism, and I'm pretty sure that 'wokeness' works with any number of systems of government.
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The concept BEHIND woke is sound and just, and something all humans should aspire to. However, it's become a rallying cry for the right who have used it so many times and in so many different (erroneous) ways that most folks couldn't even define it anymore. It needs to be abandoned. I know it sounds great to say you're "taking that word back", but in my experience, that rarely works.
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Amen.hepcat wrote: ↑Thu Mar 23, 2023 1:00 pm The concept BEHIND woke is sound and just, and something all humans should aspire to. However, it's become a rallying cry for the right who have used it so many times and in so many different (erroneous) ways that most folks couldn't even define it anymore. It needs to be abandoned. I know it sounds great to say you're "taking that word back", but in my experience, that rarely works.
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If you substitute those concepts for woke:
I Am Socialism! (What, are you Karl Marx?)
I am defunding the police! (You personally? I'm sure your twenty bucks will bring them to their knees.)
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I am defunding the police! (You personally? I'm sure your twenty bucks will bring them to their knees.)
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I think the point was that the way "woke" is being used by many on the right is currently replacing how they used "socialism" in the last few years to just generally describe anything they don't like, regardless of whether there's any real connection to being woke or socialist.
Reclaiming the word woke probably won't work, but we can't just concede it either. It's a good idea to push back hard and often on it's frequent misuse because we get wonderful things like Mandel falling all over herself with her inability to define it.
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And honestly, it shouldn't even be politically motivated, but sadly it is. Instead, it should be something that everyone can strive towards regardless of political affiliation.
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Unfortunately any term or slogan people choose, as soon as it gets turned around by the right, is effectively dead.
The right loves to take them and turn them into slurs (not that we're innocent, which again is part of the reason I avoid name-calling.) The dark side of it is that the way the right does it parallels the way the military uses slurs to turn people into 'others', removing their humanity, and thereby making them easier to hurt (be that with bullets or legislation.)
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That. Once the right has squeezed all the fear they can get out of woke, they'll move on to another word progressives use and twist that to their needs.ImLawBoy wrote: ↑Thu Mar 23, 2023 2:48 pmI think the point was that the way "woke" is being used by many on the right is currently replacing how they used "socialism" in the last few years to just generally describe anything they don't like, regardless of whether there's any real connection to being woke or socialist.
Reclaiming the word woke probably won't work, but we can't just concede it either. It's a good idea to push back hard and often on it's frequent misuse because we get wonderful things like Mandel falling all over herself with her inability to define it.
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I, for one, welcome our oncoming oppressive woke-ocracy.
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Jesus said, "Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body."[Matt 10:28] God can totally destroy us.
Jesus also said, "For my Father's will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day.”[John 6:40] Eternal life is conditional.
His disciple John wrote, "Whoever has the Son has eternal life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have eternal life. [1 John 5:12] Eternal life is optional.
Jesus also said, "For my Father's will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day.”[John 6:40] Eternal life is conditional.
His disciple John wrote, "Whoever has the Son has eternal life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have eternal life. [1 John 5:12] Eternal life is optional.
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Being aware of injustices certainly isn't pleasant.
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This is one of the reasons that I hesitate to call myself woke. Is being aware of injustices past and present pleasant? No. But it isn't really unpleasant either in my opinion. Everything I have learned about human behavior leads me to expect injustice is something that always creeps in because of the failings of individual humans.
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I am semi-woke. I think the two great original sins of America are the treatment of Native Americans and slavery. And I believe that systematic injustices still exist and still need to be fought against.
But I can’t stand performative wokeness - land statements, etc and most university/corporate DEI results in just big bloated bureaucracies that contribute little to real justice. And I despise the fragility of whites that can’t stand talk of injustice because it makes them feel bad the same as I do of college students who feel they are “harmed” by the slightest dissent from woke orthodoxy and seek to restrict speech they disagree with.
But I can’t stand performative wokeness - land statements, etc and most university/corporate DEI results in just big bloated bureaucracies that contribute little to real justice. And I despise the fragility of whites that can’t stand talk of injustice because it makes them feel bad the same as I do of college students who feel they are “harmed” by the slightest dissent from woke orthodoxy and seek to restrict speech they disagree with.
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Just speaking total honesty here, I admit I still feel some tinges of anti-wokeness when I see, say, a fantasy show which has exactly one Asian character, one black character, one Latino character, and a lesbian couple. And I feel bad when that reaction kicks in, but it's not because I don't want to see diversity on-screen. It's a gut reaction to knowing how calculated it was by the producers to show how inclusive they are. It feels instantly artificial and takes me out of the content - particularly when it's an IP based on source material that wasn't that inclusive.
I kind of compare it to the uncanny valley effect. I can't tell you in words why some diverse casting feels calculated, but I feel it.
I understand intellectually that it's a necessary step forward to get more representation on screen, and I'm 100% behind that. But if I'm being honest with myself, it also sometimes makes me uncomfortable. And being uncomfortable is what a lot of anti-woke folks are lashing out at. Uncomfortable is hard. Facing your own biases is extremely difficult. It's much easier to slap a label on it and dismiss as left-wing hippy bullshit.
I think anyone who thinks they're not constantly fighting biases ingrained in them from their background is either a liar or delusional. I completely admit I'm constantly fighting being raised all my life in an environment where blacks were deemed inferior and being gay is a sin.
I kind of compare it to the uncanny valley effect. I can't tell you in words why some diverse casting feels calculated, but I feel it.
I understand intellectually that it's a necessary step forward to get more representation on screen, and I'm 100% behind that. But if I'm being honest with myself, it also sometimes makes me uncomfortable. And being uncomfortable is what a lot of anti-woke folks are lashing out at. Uncomfortable is hard. Facing your own biases is extremely difficult. It's much easier to slap a label on it and dismiss as left-wing hippy bullshit.
I think anyone who thinks they're not constantly fighting biases ingrained in them from their background is either a liar or delusional. I completely admit I'm constantly fighting being raised all my life in an environment where blacks were deemed inferior and being gay is a sin.
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I experienced the fun result of a right winger defining it thusly on Twitter:ImLawBoy wrote: ↑Thu Mar 23, 2023 2:48 pmI think the point was that the way "woke" is being used by many on the right is currently replacing how they used "socialism" in the last few years to just generally describe anything they don't like, regardless of whether there's any real connection to being woke or socialist.
Reclaiming the word woke probably won't work, but we can't just concede it either. It's a good idea to push back hard and often on it's frequent misuse because we get wonderful things like Mandel falling all over herself with her inability to define it.
Woke = A hateful ideology that seeks to separate humans by race, gender, and ideologies. Demonizes any opposing beliefs and raises up the most extreme, morally bankrupt ideologies as morally superior.
To which I replied "Holy shit, so the Tennessee Republicans are woke?"
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In some situations it feels extremely contrived and artificial. I also recognize the reasoning for doing it (intentional overcompensation to adjust the course going forwards), but I also feel that sometimes there would be a better way to do it.YellowKing wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 12:33 pm I kind of compare it to the uncanny valley effect. I can't tell you in words why some diverse casting feels calculated, but I feel it.
The Wheel of Time is a prime example. In the books there is a huge range of nations and extremely detailed cultures and ethnicities, most of which are not western/white, and many of which have major recurring characters (in terms of appearance/casting, Domani are Middle Eastern or South Asian, Altarans are Mediterranean, Atha'an Miere are Black, Saldeans are Asian or Indian, etc.) At the same time, a big part of the plot was that one character was distinctly (racially) out of place in an extremely homogeneous, tiny rural village. In the show, though, they made that village incredibly diverse when it wasn't needed to show diversity and confused the plot as a result, while at the same time they weakened the extremely detailed and distinct ethnic groups that were written originally (and were written as original cultures without the usual stereotyping.)
But again, I see the reasoning. It's a tough situation to figure out as a society, and the attitude of any dissent on any racial issue making you a racist is not the way to go about it.
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I keep seeing ads for the Paramount+ spinoff "Grease: Rise of the Pink Ladies". Just in the trailer alone, there's a least one Black girl (in addition to an Asian girl and a Hispanic girl).
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Counterpoint - Rand's casting was not in the top 10 things that hurt the plot in that series (from someone who has read all the books multiple times).Blackhawk wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 1:34 pmIn some situations it feels extremely contrived and artificial. I also recognize the reasoning for doing it (intentional overcompensation to adjust the course going forwards), but I also feel that sometimes there would be a better way to do it.YellowKing wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 12:33 pm I kind of compare it to the uncanny valley effect. I can't tell you in words why some diverse casting feels calculated, but I feel it.
The Wheel of Time is a prime example. In the books there is a huge range of nations and extremely detailed cultures and ethnicities, most of which are not western/white, and many of which have major recurring characters (in terms of appearance/casting, Domani are Middle Eastern or South Asian, Altarans are Mediterranean, Atha'an Miere are Black, Saldeans are Asian or Indian, etc.) At the same time, a big part of the plot was that one character was distinctly (racially) out of place in an extremely homogeneous, tiny rural village. In the show, though, they made that village incredibly diverse when it wasn't needed to show diversity and confused the plot as a result, while at the same time they weakened the extremely detailed and distinct ethnic groups that were written originally (and were written as original cultures without the usual stereotyping.)
But again, I see the reasoning. It's a tough situation to figure out as a society, and the attitude of any dissent on any racial issue making you a racist is not the way to go about it.
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YellowKing wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 12:33 pm Just speaking total honesty here, I admit I still feel some tinges of anti-wokeness when I see, say, a fantasy show which has exactly one Asian character, one black character, one Latino character, and a lesbian couple. And I feel bad when that reaction kicks in, but it's not because I don't want to see diversity on-screen. It's a gut reaction to knowing how calculated it was by the producers to show how inclusive they are. It feels instantly artificial and takes me out of the content - particularly when it's an IP based on source material that wasn't that inclusive.
I don't think you are feeling anti-wokeness. You are empathetic and aware enough to identify tokenism. Its painful and cringy to witness because the producer makes the diversity aspect into the characters defining trait. For eample, the show cast consists of the brave one, the smart one, the strong one, and the gay one. And thats why you feel that tinge. Its unrealistic that GAY is the primary personality and defining character trait.
To make that show better, it would have a smart one, a strong one, a brave one, and a sneaky one. You know who is gay becuase he said goodbye to his husband before leaving on the dangerous mission. You know who is POC because you can see it one the screen. But its all natural becuase the characters don't feel the need to call it out, they don't need to HIGHLIGHT the diversity. It exists on the show the same way it should exist in life.
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There is truth in this. A great deal of it. It's just one of the most obvious and counfounding misuses of diversity I've seen in a while - the stories were already incredibly diverse, and they did one of the many things that weakened to plot. In fact, the impact on the distinct and detailed ethnic diversity of the world is much higher than on Rand's story.stessier wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 1:56 pmCounterpoint - Rand's casting was not in the top 10 things that hurt the plot in that series (from someone who has read all the books multiple times).Blackhawk wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 1:34 pmIn some situations it feels extremely contrived and artificial. I also recognize the reasoning for doing it (intentional overcompensation to adjust the course going forwards), but I also feel that sometimes there would be a better way to do it.YellowKing wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 12:33 pm I kind of compare it to the uncanny valley effect. I can't tell you in words why some diverse casting feels calculated, but I feel it.
The Wheel of Time is a prime example. In the books there is a huge range of nations and extremely detailed cultures and ethnicities, most of which are not western/white, and many of which have major recurring characters (in terms of appearance/casting, Domani are Middle Eastern or South Asian, Altarans are Mediterranean, Atha'an Miere are Black, Saldeans are Asian or Indian, etc.) At the same time, a big part of the plot was that one character was distinctly (racially) out of place in an extremely homogeneous, tiny rural village. In the show, though, they made that village incredibly diverse when it wasn't needed to show diversity and confused the plot as a result, while at the same time they weakened the extremely detailed and distinct ethnic groups that were written originally (and were written as original cultures without the usual stereotyping.)
But again, I see the reasoning. It's a tough situation to figure out as a society, and the attitude of any dissent on any racial issue making you a racist is not the way to go about it.
For those that haven't read the books (very, very minor spoilers), the initial group of characters are all white. Everyone from the town it started in is white with dark hair and eyes. One character has red hair and pale eyes, something that simply doesn't exist there. But as soon as they're a book or two in, the main characters separate (drifting in an out of each other's plots and lives from time to time), and each one ends up part of their own group of highly diverse associates that play major 'main character' roles.
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This is a great summation of exactly where I think I sit on the spectrum.Grifman wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 12:09 pm I am semi-woke. I think the two great original sins of America are the treatment of Native Americans and slavery. And I believe that systematic injustices still exist and still need to be fought against.
But I can’t stand performative wokeness - land statements, etc and most university/corporate DEI results in just big bloated bureaucracies that contribute little to real justice. And I despise the fragility of whites that can’t stand talk of injustice because it makes them feel bad the same as I do of college students who feel they are “harmed” by the slightest dissent from woke orthodoxy and seek to restrict speech they disagree with.
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I actually had to look up 'land statements.' Wow, what an empty gesture. It's like admitting that I stole your PC before going home and playing a game on said PC, because I really do want it, and after all, I already have it. But it really should have been yours. Mea culpa. Now, if you'll excuse me, I've got a game paused. You can get online at the library.
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after being in another forum (that tends towards groupthink) where liberalism is decried as not 'true' enough to the cause, aspersions being cast on freedom of speech and voting, and some other fringe views, i started feeling that this mindset is getting, shall we say, more than a bit medieval. when attempting to work on the ground with people is decried as 'solutionism', one has gone off the deep end. this book makes some good points: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/581 ... oke-racism
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The tendency to see grey areas and nuance by progressives really makes these sort of efforts challenging. Many progressive NGOs are tearing apart at the seams thanks to internal debates on these topics (see the Audubon Society for a recent example). Some more reading on this theme: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/16/opin ... ivism.html andKurth wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 2:33 pmThis is a great summation of exactly where I think I sit on the spectrum.Grifman wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 12:09 pm I am semi-woke. I think the two great original sins of America are the treatment of Native Americans and slavery. And I believe that systematic injustices still exist and still need to be fought against.
But I can’t stand performative wokeness - land statements, etc and most university/corporate DEI results in just big bloated bureaucracies that contribute little to real justice. And I despise the fragility of whites that can’t stand talk of injustice because it makes them feel bad the same as I do of college students who feel they are “harmed” by the slightest dissent from woke orthodoxy and seek to restrict speech they disagree with.
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Ditto. I was raised unapologetically racist and homophobic and didn't see anything wrong with that -- it was normal and unremarkable. You wouldn't have liked young me. I'm woke compared to where I came from, but not by the standards of today's youth, or even some people in this forum.YellowKing wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 12:33 pm I think anyone who thinks they're not constantly fighting biases ingrained in them from their background is either a liar or delusional. I completely admit I'm constantly fighting being raised all my life in an environment where blacks were deemed inferior and being gay is a sin.
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I would disagree with the statement that, "..university/corporate DEI results in just big bloated bureaucracies that contribute little to real justice..." at least insofar as the university and corporate DEI departments I'm personally familiar with are generally small and sparsely manned.. er.. "personed." (I have direct associates that work nationally with corporations and universities on their DEI initiatives, so I have a bit of insight on the range of these departments)Kurth wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 2:33 pmThis is a great summation of exactly where I think I sit on the spectrum.Grifman wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 12:09 pm I am semi-woke. I think the two great original sins of America are the treatment of Native Americans and slavery. And I believe that systematic injustices still exist and still need to be fought against.
But I can’t stand performative wokeness - land statements, etc and most university/corporate DEI results in just big bloated bureaucracies that contribute little to real justice. And I despise the fragility of whites that can’t stand talk of injustice because it makes them feel bad the same as I do of college students who feel they are “harmed” by the slightest dissent from woke orthodoxy and seek to restrict speech they disagree with.
The matter of effectiveness is one I'm not qualified to comment on, but if your impression is that the DEI department of most orgs is some monstrosity that oversees and manages the entirety of the corporation with eyes everywhere, that's not really the case. Rather, they're sort of like a wing of the HR department with a manager and maybe a lackey or two. What you MIGHT see, though, is that other department heads receive DEI training and incorporate that messaging into their actions, which, IMHO, is just fine.
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My university, UNC Chapel Hill, has about a dozen people working in the DEI office, excluding “student ambassadors”. But that’s just getting started. The med school has another dozen, the School of Public Health has three, the School of Family Medicine - WITHIN the med school (which remember already has a dozen) has another four. Just go to any department and you’ll find one to four DEI staff, not just professors volunteering their time. All of this is from these organizations own websites. Maybe small schools have just just a “ manager and a lackey or two” but that does not seem to true of major state universities.geezer wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 5:21 pmI would disagree with the statement that, "..university/corporate DEI results in just big bloated bureaucracies that contribute little to real justice..." at least insofar as the university and corporate DEI departments I'm personally familiar with are generally small and sparsely manned.. er.. "personed." (I have direct associates that work nationally with corporations and universities on their DEI initiatives, so I have a bit of insight on the range of these departments)Kurth wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 2:33 pmThis is a great summation of exactly where I think I sit on the spectrum.Grifman wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 12:09 pm I am semi-woke. I think the two great original sins of America are the treatment of Native Americans and slavery. And I believe that systematic injustices still exist and still need to be fought against.
But I can’t stand performative wokeness - land statements, etc and most university/corporate DEI results in just big bloated bureaucracies that contribute little to real justice. And I despise the fragility of whites that can’t stand talk of injustice because it makes them feel bad the same as I do of college students who feel they are “harmed” by the slightest dissent from woke orthodoxy and seek to restrict speech they disagree with.
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Yeah, the funny thing about these statements is who owned what land when? For example the Iroquois stated out in NY, but then basically conquered and depopulated the Midwest so they could have additional hunting grounds. The Sioux and Cheyenne chased the Crow out of some of their territory, and the Shoshone were pushed out by the Blackfoot when the latter got horses. So who’s ownership counts?Blackhawk wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 3:52 pm I actually had to look up 'land statements.' Wow, what an empty gesture. It's like admitting that I stole your PC before going home and playing a game on said PC, because I really do want it, and after all, I already have it. But it really should have been yours. Mea culpa. Now, if you'll excuse me, I've got a game paused. You can get online at the library.
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A number of those peoples were nomadic, and their 'territory' was constantly shifting.
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Somewhat but even nomadic groups had territories over which they wandered and which they sought to control.
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Re: Are you woke?
I don't deny it - but the extent of those territories and the 'borders' were constantly in flux. If one nation was out following the herds somewhere in the north, their enemies to the south wouldn't hesitate to spend time in their territory if the food wandered that way.
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Re: Are you woke?
Forgetting the label for a moment, I think that there comes a time when you become aware that your experience is really just a collection of anecdotes, and not universal experience.
Some people respond to that by becoming defensive and thinking that their anecdotes are under attack.
Other people develop empathy for those that have a different set of anecdotes.
It’s seems obvious which one I should aspire to be.
Some people respond to that by becoming defensive and thinking that their anecdotes are under attack.
Other people develop empathy for those that have a different set of anecdotes.
It’s seems obvious which one I should aspire to be.
And in banks across the world
Christians, Moslems, Hindus, Jews
And every other race, creed, colour, tint or hue
Get down on their knees and pray
The raccoon and the groundhog neatly
Make up bags of change
But the monkey in the corner
Well he's slowly drifting out of range
Christians, Moslems, Hindus, Jews
And every other race, creed, colour, tint or hue
Get down on their knees and pray
The raccoon and the groundhog neatly
Make up bags of change
But the monkey in the corner
Well he's slowly drifting out of range
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Re: Are you woke?
It’s incredibly calculated, because it has to be (still). Part of me wonders if your reaction is because it’s not calculated for your benefit? For those who have been consistently denied any real representation, does it feel calculated to them? Does it make them seem less invisible in our culture?YellowKing wrote:I kind of compare it to the uncanny valley effect. I can't tell you in words why some diverse casting feels calculated, but I feel it.
I think there are times when *I* feel like it is less calculated (i.e. I don’t think I could imagine Hamilton without it’s diverse cast; while I think that Wheel of Time felt absurd in how forced the diversity felt).
I don’t know how it feels to those it is aimed at though.
And in banks across the world
Christians, Moslems, Hindus, Jews
And every other race, creed, colour, tint or hue
Get down on their knees and pray
The raccoon and the groundhog neatly
Make up bags of change
But the monkey in the corner
Well he's slowly drifting out of range
Christians, Moslems, Hindus, Jews
And every other race, creed, colour, tint or hue
Get down on their knees and pray
The raccoon and the groundhog neatly
Make up bags of change
But the monkey in the corner
Well he's slowly drifting out of range
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Re: Are you woke?
That's probably one of the best analogies I've read on the subject.RunningMn9 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 9:02 pm Forgetting the label for a moment, I think that there comes a time when you become aware that your experience is really just a collection of anecdotes, and not universal experience.
Some people respond to that by becoming defensive and thinking that their anecdotes are under attack.
Other people develop empathy for those that have a different set of anecdotes.
It’s seems obvious which one I should aspire to be.
Is that something you learned from L. Ron Hubbard?
Now depoliticized.
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Re: Are you woke?
I can tell you in words.RunningMn9 wrote:It’s incredibly calculated, because it has to be (still). Part of me wonders if your reaction is because it’s not calculated for your benefit? For those who have been consistently denied any real representation, does it feel calculated to them? Does it make them seem less invisible in our culture?YellowKing wrote:I kind of compare it to the uncanny valley effect. I can't tell you in words why some diverse casting feels calculated, but I feel it.
I think there are times when *I* feel like it is less calculated (i.e. I don’t think I could imagine Hamilton without it’s diverse cast; while I think that Wheel of Time felt absurd in how forced the diversity felt).
I don’t know how it feels to those it is aimed at though.
Because the writing is lazy and doesn't do a good job of making them individual characters, which makes the casting choices stand out as tokenism.
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Also: There are three ways to not tell the truth: lies, damned lies, and statistics.