Homeworld 3

[Grifman]

And so it begins:





Some of the best music ever in a video game.

[RunningMn9]

The intro to the first game stands alone as the best open to a game that I’ve ever seen, with the most haunting version of one of the saddest compositions ever composed.

[noxiousdog]

The intro to the first game stands alone as the best open to a game that I’ve ever seen, with the most haunting version of one of the saddest compositions ever composed.

I want this movie.

[Anonymous Bosch]

The intro to the first game stands alone as the best open to a game that I’ve ever seen, with the most haunting version of one of the saddest compositions ever composed.

Amen.

The sound design, audio production, and music composition for Homeworld were phenomenal (I still enjoy listening to EAC FLACs I ripped who-knows-how-long-ago from the soundtrack that came bundled with the Game of the Year Edition of Homeworld).

[RunningMn9]

At least a couple of times a year I still watch the intro on YouTube.

[Kurth]

The first Homeworld is still one of my all-time favorite games.

Really hope HW3 makes its way to consoles . . .

[Anonymous Bosch]

The intro to the first game stands alone as the best open to a game that I’ve ever seen, with the most haunting version of one of the saddest compositions ever composed.

I want this movie.

[Hyena]

Oh hell yes. I honestly don't think I ever finished the damn game, but holy crap do I love it. I really love the "capture as many ships as I can" minigame, and by the later stages I almost don't have any room to make any more frigates because I've got a couple dozen already Borg-ed into my fleet.

[Daehawk]

Watching that buzzed is epic.

[Grifman]

More/new game play details here:

https://www.ign.com/articles/homeworld- ... -than-ever

[UsulofDoom]

They now have a release date set for June 30th on Amazon.

https://www.amazon.com/Homeworld-3-Coll ... 880&sr=8-1


You may want to pick up Homeworld remastered at green man gaming on sale for $4.46 87% off.

[Hrothgar]

And delayed until February 2024. Bummer, but I really don't need another half baked mess. Let's hope they use the time to get it right.

[Formix]

I really want to quote Roy Kent here. I want the game right, but I was really looking forward to this one this year.

[UsulofDoom]

Maybe they are waiting for those that played HW1 and HW2 to die off so they wont be disapointed with HW3.

[Grifman]

[Grifman]

The developers listened to complaints about the demo:

https://www.homeworlduniverse.com/war-games-feedback/

[Formix]

So does anyone know what the deal is with the one year pass? It's kinda hard to decide if it's worth it with so little info on what it might contain. Is it ONLY the co-op expansions?

[Blackhawk]

So does anyone know what the deal is with the one year pass? It's kinda hard to decide if it's worth it with so little info on what it might contain. Is it ONLY the co-op expansions?

Do you play multiplayer? If not, it has zero value. It's only multiplayer content, and they've said that they have no plans to expand the single player.

[Paingod]

Been out of touch, had no idea this was even in development until Steam dropped it in front of me and said it would be available in 3 hours. Purchased sight unseen, really. No research, no trailers, no dialog, no reviews. Just the images on the store page and the game's title.

I'm going in completely blind, hoping this title lives up to the name. I'm irritated that I have to work until close tonight.

[Isgrimnur]

Released.

ALL REVIEWS: Mixed (347)

Alright game with "netflix garbage series" tier story

[Blackhawk]

[Daehawk]

Is it the same as all the rest? If so Ill have to pass. Homeworld games are games I want to play and enjoy but theres so much going on in a 3D space with the turning of the map and stuff I get over whelmed very quick and give up. Im great at all the other land based games like C&C and Warcraft. But put me in space and my shoe becomes my eye and my laces my helmet. It just doesn't go well for me.

Ever since the 90s these games are to me beautiful games, with beautiful voiced plot points and wonderful music that I can roll up a big fleet of what I think I need that I dont then die.

[Grifman]

Did anyone here support the game on Fig? If so, have you gotten your key? Haven't seen anything myself.

[Paingod]

Released.

ALL REVIEWS: Mixed (347)

Alright game with "netflix garbage series" tier story

I wouldn't call it "Netflix Garbage" but it's not on par with the rest of the series. That's for sure. They absolutely could have done a better wind up to "why" you're out there and leaving. Instead it's "This is a cool ship. RED ALERT. This thing we never mentioned that's been happening everywhere is happening again. We should go look for this previous character from the series that wasn't mentioned before now as being important in any way. Go!"

I did avoid reviews until after my first couple of hours, and I think a lot of the negativity is coming from people who were following development closely and feel like the developers dropped the ball on promises. I'm coming in with a fresh perspective and think the gameplay is great. It's just lacking in motive and could have been written better.

My biggest concern is that reviewers are saying the game is only like 15 hours long. For $60 I'd expect 30+ hours.

Is it the same as all the rest?

It plays identically to the prior ones with some control differences. I think they smoothed things out a little in being able to observe and rotate the camera more quickly, but otherwise very, very similar.

[Unagi]

Apparently the EULA is outrageous. You give away everything.


I’ll be not touching this.

[Pyperkub]

Apparently the EULA is outrageous. You give away everything.


I’ll be not touching this.

Need more info.

[TheMix]

Apparently the EULA is outrageous. You give away everything.


I’ll be not touching this.

Need more info.

From a comment on Steam (I have not separately validated any of this):

Starting off, has Denuvo.

Absolutely insane EULA/terms/privacy policy.

Some nuggets:
They give themselves license to collect data like:
- first/last name
- e-mail address
- residential address
- telephone number
- photographic images (if uploaded by user)
- credit card information, if provided to their third-party payment processors for purchases
- shipping information, if provided for purchases
- country
- game device identifier
- screen name
- demographic information (age, gender, date of birth, marital status, race, level of education, etc.), if you choose to provide it in profiles, surveys or forums, such as an application to become one of their playtesters

Some of these are obviously less reasonable than others. There's no opt out to data gathering in general.

They also say they might grab your MAC-address.

They directly partner with Facebook and Google (so sharing data), so enjoy expanding upon the giant porfolio they got about your personal life.

[Paingod]

Apparently the EULA is outrageous. You give away everything.

I’ll be not touching this.

When I fired it up, the game asked if it could go online through my firewall. I was disinclined. The game launched normally despite not being allowed to call home. I assume that means they don't get to poll me for data. At least, no more than Steam collects anyway.

From the Steam copy of the Gearbox EULA (not Homeworld; any game they release):

Code: Select all

INFORMATION GEARBOX COLLECTS
Personal information is information that identifies, relates to or could reasonably be linked with you or your household, and may include information that can be used to contact you online or offline (such as your name, postal address, telephone number, and email address), account and payment information (such as your credit card details, as collected via our third-party payment providers), and unique technical information (such as device and network identifiers).
Gearbox collects personal information in three ways: (i) personal information you provide us on a voluntary basis; (ii) personal information we collect automatically when you use our Online Services; and (iii) personal information we receive from other third parties. Each of these will be described in more detail throughout this Privacy Policy.
When you submit personal information to Gearbox, it will usually take the form of:
• Registration for or on our Online Services, including creating a SHiFT account;
• Subscribing to newsletters or alerts;
• Posting in or commenting on our message boards, forums, blogs, chat rooms, or other Online Services;
• Purchasing products or services through or on our Online Services;
• Using “tell a friend,” “email this page,” or other similar features;
• Requesting technical support or otherwise contacting us with a question, comment or complaint;
• Downloading demos, programs, or Publishing from or on our Online Services;
• Participating in polls, surveys, and questionnaires;
• Participating in our Playtesting Community; or
• Otherwise through use of our Online Services, including console products, where personal information is required for use and/or participation.
The types of information collected in connection with the activities listed above can vary depending on your activity. The information we collect may include your:
• first and/or last name;
• e-mail address;
• residential address;
• telephone number;
• photographic images, if uploaded by user;
• credit card information, if provided to our third-party payment processors for purchases;
• purchase data, if a purchase is made;
• shipping information, if provided for purchases;
• country;
• game device identifier;
• screen name; or
• demographic information (age, gender, date of birth, marital status, race, level of education, etc.), if you choose to provide it in profiles, surveys or forums, such as in an application to become one of our playtesters.
Prize winners may be required to provide additional information for prize fulfillment.
In addition, we may automatically collect information about your network or devices, such as your hardware configuration, language preferences, device or console ID, device type, gaming service ID, Publishing products played, MAC address, mobile carrier, mobile advertising and other unique identifiers, browser information, location information (including approximate location derived from IP address), Internet service provider, and IP address. We may also receive information about your gameplay without any additional notice to you or actions taken by you. This may include game achievements, game scores and performance, and other information and statistics regarding your usage of the Online Services. Information about gameplay may be collected while you are offline and transmitted to Gearbox when you next connect to the Internet through your console, handheld, mobile device, computer, or other gaming platform.
We may combine information we collect automatically or receive from third parties with the personal information you provide to us voluntarily, as described in the sections below.

SPECIAL NOTES ABOUT CERTAIN INFORMATION GEARBOX COLLECTS
Third-Party Platforms. You may be able to login through or connect certain third-party accounts to your account with us. For example, you will see this option when you create or log into your SHiFT account. When you use these third-party accounts, you are subject to the respective terms and conditions of each third-party platform. You may be able to connect and interact with and share game information with your friends and network from that third-party account. You may also be able to make purchases through or earn rewards (subject to applicable program terms) from that third-party account. The third party may also share certain information with us, which may include your name, third-party account ID, email address, friends list, and other public profile information.
Public Information Including Message Boards, Forums, Blogs, Comments, and Profiles: We strongly encourage you not to disclose any personal information while using our Online Services or use personal information to identify yourself while using our Online Services (for example when selecting a screen name). Any personal information, including photos and video, that you disclose in public areas of our Online Services, such as on a message board, chat room, comment field, or profile page, will be in the public domain and is not subject to privacy protections. Even if it were later removed, other users would have had access to it and could have read, collected, copied, and otherwise used it without your consent or knowledge. If your screen name contains your real name or email address, that information will be made publicly available on leaderboards and elsewhere. Ultimately, you are responsible for any information or content you post using our Online Services, but we strongly discourage you from disclosing any personal information in public areas.
E-mail Correspondence: We may provide e-mail addresses or forms to which you can send us questions or comments, or which you can use to request customer support. In the process of receiving and responding to such requests, we may collect personal information about you, such as your e-mail address, other contact information you provide, or any other personal information contained in the body of your e-mail message. We only use the information for the purpose of responding to your questions and/or comments or to provide customer support and otherwise improve our products and Online Services. In most cases, your message is deleted immediately after we’ve resolved your inquiry; however, in some instances, copies of your requests may be kept on file for our records, for legal and/or quality control purposes, or to provide ongoing support services you have requested. If we obtain actual knowledge that the person with whom we’re communicating is a child (as defined under applicable law), we promptly delete the child’s e-mail address and messages, except where we are required to retain it under applicable law.
In addition to responding to your email correspondence and sending you information you have requested via our email lists, we send activation emails and other transactional emails to your e-mail address as necessary. If you do not wish to receive such messages, you have the option to deactivate your account.

I read this as being very 'catch all' - if you're contacting support, there may be a reason to look more closely at your hardware and MAC Address. If you're buying something through them, of course they need to know your name. If you need a product activated, you'll need to give them your email address. I don't see sinister intent as much as ass covering in a broad sense that sets of alarm bells if you're easily alarmed.

Again - all Gearbox titles have this apply to them. Homeworld is not the exception or a test bed for data harvesting.

[Unagi]

and yet it feels creepy.

[Unagi]

I read this as being very 'catch all'

While it may only be there for eventual technical support reasons, I kinda doubt it.

It sounded more like they want to be sure they are free to do whatever.

[Pyperkub]

and yet it feels creepy.

ALL EULA's are creepy.

[Unagi]

Sure. But if I read that a company wants to be free to use and collect my: (list) then I tend to back off.

Am I exposed elsewhere, I'm sure. This is just my laziest way to make some attempt to keep it to a minimum. Perhaps I'd be more tempted if the game wasn't getting Mixed reviews.

[UsulofDoom]

I'm still on the ropes. I played it 20 years ago and played the remaster last June 2023. Green Man Gamming does have each edition 22% off.

It seems they have dropped the ball. They have taken so much away instead of adding more. Maybe waiting is best when the modders have fixed it.

The reviews are really starting to kill it. was 33/66 now getting closer to 50/50.

[Daehawk]

[TheMix]

<snip>

Psst. Look up.

[Blackhawk]

I just read through that EULA bit quoted above.

Nearly everything on it is qualified with if you choose to do so. They collect your address and phone number if you choose to make a purchase that requires shipping. They collect your demographic information if you choose to fill out a survey that includes it. They collect system information if you choose to contact support. They collect your name and email address if you choose to register for their 'Shift' giveaway platform. All of that makes sense - they can't really ship you a product without your address, and getting system information (like a DXDiag report) is going to give them information about your system.

The rest is just boilerplate EULA/privacy notice junk.

Is it bullshit? Sure. But I don't think it's beyond the bullshit that lands behind every EULA out there if you take the time to read them all.