/starts to talkbb2112 wrote:That is 3 for RMC and we have NC sighting this game. Let's give RMC a chance to talk.
/mouth moves
"Afraid of Scooping are ye?" But you remove vote not?"
/bows head
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/starts to talkbb2112 wrote:That is 3 for RMC and we have NC sighting this game. Let's give RMC a chance to talk.
Well he wasn't at N-1 yet no need to remove the vote...Newcastle wrote:/starts to talkbb2112 wrote:That is 3 for RMC and we have NC sighting this game. Let's give RMC a chance to talk.
/mouth moves
"Afraid of Scooping are ye?" But you remove vote not?"
/bows head
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He was briefly, but then a few people removed their votes, so yeah, you are right. He currently isn't at N-1. And NC is making sure he is not putting his vote on the RMC stack in case RMC gets back to it.Vorret wrote:Well he wasn't at N-1 yet no need to remove the vote...Newcastle wrote:/starts to talkbb2112 wrote:That is 3 for RMC and we have NC sighting this game. Let's give RMC a chance to talk.
/mouth moves
"Afraid of Scooping are ye?" But you remove vote not?"
/bows head
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He was, but not when you said the sentence NC quotedbb2112 wrote:He was briefly, but then a few people removed their votes, so yeah, you are right. He currently isn't at N-1. And NC is making sure he is not putting his vote on the RMC stack in case RMC gets back to it.Vorret wrote:Well he wasn't at N-1 yet no need to remove the vote...Newcastle wrote:/starts to talkbb2112 wrote:That is 3 for RMC and we have NC sighting this game. Let's give RMC a chance to talk.
/mouth moves
"Afraid of Scooping are ye?" But you remove vote not?"
/bows head
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Moliere wrote:Will it help if I come out as Elongated Man?
Didn't you just tell the ninjas not to bother killing RMC tonight because the village will lynch him tomorrow?Vorret wrote:I'm ok with letting him live, wolves will get him tonight anyway if he really is a special.
If not, well, we get him tomorrow, no harms done.
No harm done? I can think of a couple things.Vorret wrote:I'm ok with letting him live, wolves will get him tonight anyway if he really is a special.
If not, well, we get him tomorrow, no harms done.
No, what he said was he didn't want RMC to tell the village who he is so he can kill RMC in the night and the village will never know who RMC was and that information would be lost forever.Moliere wrote:Didn't you just tell the ninjas not to bother killing RMC tonight because the village will lynch him tomorrow?Vorret wrote:I'm ok with letting him live, wolves will get him tonight anyway if he really is a special.
If not, well, we get him tomorrow, no harms done.
The thing is my role is worthless if I come out with it. And there is no value to the village if I let it out now.bb2112 wrote:No, what he said was he didn't want RMC to tell the village who he is so he can kill RMC in the night and the village will never know who RMC was and that information would be lost forever.Moliere wrote:Didn't you just tell the ninjas not to bother killing RMC tonight because the village will lynch him tomorrow?Vorret wrote:I'm ok with letting him live, wolves will get him tonight anyway if he really is a special.
If not, well, we get him tomorrow, no harms done.
I can't see anything that would be made worthless if you came out with it except maybe one role. And I am not sure that is worth giving you the pass if you are evil and you are trying to stay alive.RMC wrote:The thing is my role is worthless if I come out with it. And there is no value to the village if I let it out now.bb2112 wrote:No, what he said was he didn't want RMC to tell the village who he is so he can kill RMC in the night and the village will never know who RMC was and that information would be lost forever.Moliere wrote:Didn't you just tell the ninjas not to bother killing RMC tonight because the village will lynch him tomorrow?Vorret wrote:I'm ok with letting him live, wolves will get him tonight anyway if he really is a special.
If not, well, we get him tomorrow, no harms done.
Eh, I always make the statement that killing Remus seems like a good thing. So I can certainly see why I was a suspect when he turned up dead.Unagi wrote:Wow, what a start.
One thing, I think NC had a vote on me - not RMC, for what it's worth. (so his switch was not to take heat off RMC.)
And, I wasn't totally aware of the RMC kills Remus thing, but I image there is perhaps an <everyone> kills Remus thing on some level...
I'm kinda buying into this line of thinking... I will point out that the "worst case" is what you said, but that he scanned Remus. So, he'd have nothing.bb2112 wrote:Worst case scenario he is the seer and scanned a non-wolf, he semi clears himself and another. The village will leave him alone and that forces the wolves to kill him and the cleared guy the next 2 nights. We can also potentially play the protection chicken game, if we have a protector. If he doesn't claim, he most likely will die tonight and we get nothing.
Or RMC is a baddie. He claims seer, the seer does not come out to counter today, but the seer knows he has a baddie in the bag (if we have a seer.) Or he survives tonight and then we know something is up.
A third possibility is he someone else or claims someone else. I don't think there is anyone on the list that would be worse than the seer and there are a few special villager roles I wouldn't mind seeing go bye-bye. Sorcerer, Minion, and Cult Leader to name a few. But if he was one of those, I doubt he would claim it. He would have to claim something else which could be potentially countered.
It is too dangerous to potentially lose the information tonight if he is a good guy, and stupid to let him go if he is a bad guy.
It is time to make RMC talk.
I.... I didn't say that at all.bb2112 wrote:No, what he said was he didn't want RMC to tell the village who he is so he can kill RMC in the night and the village will never know who RMC was and that information would be lost forever.Moliere wrote:Didn't you just tell the ninjas not to bother killing RMC tonight because the village will lynch him tomorrow?Vorret wrote:I'm ok with letting him live, wolves will get him tonight anyway if he really is a special.
If not, well, we get him tomorrow, no harms done.
So are you just shooting so loose as to also imply that RMC is who he says he is - and there are wolves circling him right now too, that want him to die on his secret?bb2112 wrote:No, what he said was he didn't want RMC to tell the village who he is so he can kill RMC in the night and the village will never know who RMC was and that information would be lost forever.Moliere wrote:Didn't you just tell the ninjas not to bother killing RMC tonight because the village will lynch him tomorrow?Vorret wrote:I'm ok with letting him live, wolves will get him tonight anyway if he really is a special.
If not, well, we get him tomorrow, no harms done.
I like the idea of checking RMC. He comes across as suspicious.RMC wrote:Give me names to check..
Withdraw RMCRMC wrote:No big deal, you all want me to come clean, so I will. Not that it does any good.
I am the PI. I can do a one time scan. Should have done it last night. I was hoping to get a few people out prior to doing it, to help. Also, I wanted to see who was saying what. But this has devolved into RMC might be bad or good, so no real info to gleen.
I had planned to scan myself, as the rules don't say I can't I don't think. So I would know that I was good.
I will be killed at night I am sure now, where as before I thought we could all let me go for a day without revealing, and maybe the wolves would wait until Night two to kill me. <shrug>
Anyway, there it is.. Let's hope our other special is someone that can protect me for a night.
Give me names to check..
As Elongated Man I can validate his claim.bb2112 wrote:Is there someone out there that can counter RMC's claim and used his ability on night one?
withdraw RMCRMC wrote:We have no idea what specials are out there, so my role could be anything.
Why would I blurt it out on day one to god and country. If I live until Day 2, which I doubt I might reveal then, but most likely not. Day 3 or after I would come out.
So if I were to revel today, it would only help the wolves, even if I get axed tonight, or they try too Ax me.
And let's be honest, the ploy of claiming special works towards the end of the game, but in the beginning of the game, this just means you postpone death by a day, maybe.
I am a special, not spoofing anything.
RMC wrote:No big deal, you all want me to come clean, so I will. Not that it does any good.
I am the PI. I can do a one time scan. Should have done it last night. I was hoping to get a few people out prior to doing it, to help. Also, I wanted to see who was saying what. But this has devolved into RMC might be bad or good, so no real info to gleen.
I had planned to scan myself, as the rules don't say I can't I don't think. So I would know that I was good.
I will be killed at night I am sure now, where as before I thought we could all let me go for a day without revealing, and maybe the wolves would wait until Night two to kill me. <shrug>
Anyway, there it is.. Let's hope our other special is someone that can protect me for a night.
Give me names to check..
It's very possible that we don't have a seer. It is most likely that RMC (again, if telling the truth) may be it since having a full blown seer and a PI is probably broken. Although, this is Scoop, he doesn't always balance his games.Lassr wrote:are we guaranteed a seer? The rules read as the seer is a random role also. So odds are we have no see.
Well, yes we do. I am it.Holman wrote:That's the problem. We don't even know if there *is* a PI in this game.
Well where were you when they all wanted to lynch me then? No one wanted me to not reveal, which I think is foolish on day one. Run someone else up the pole after they claim special. And if they don't produce on day two off with their head.Lassr wrote:are we guaranteed a seer? The rules read as the seer is a random role also. So odds are we have no see.
Assuming there is no counter, and that you who you say you are, then the game isn't necessarily over for you. There are multiple protector roles and the witch could revive you.RMC wrote:No big deal, you all want me to come clean, so I will. Not that it does any good.
I am the PI. I can do a one time scan. Should have done it last night. I was hoping to get a few people out prior to doing it, to help. Also, I wanted to see who was saying what. But this has devolved into RMC might be bad or good, so no real info to gleen.
I had planned to scan myself, as the rules don't say I can't I don't think. So I would know that I was good.
I will be killed at night I am sure now, where as before I thought we could all let me go for a day without revealing, and maybe the wolves would wait until Night two to kill me. <shrug>
Anyway, there it is.. Let's hope our other special is someone that can protect me for a night.
Give me names to check..
Will not tell anyone but, me, myself and I.bb2112 wrote:Assuming there is no counter, and that you who you say you are, then the game isn't necessarily over for you. There are multiple protector roles and the witch could revive you.RMC wrote:No big deal, you all want me to come clean, so I will. Not that it does any good.
I am the PI. I can do a one time scan. Should have done it last night. I was hoping to get a few people out prior to doing it, to help. Also, I wanted to see who was saying what. But this has devolved into RMC might be bad or good, so no real info to gleen.
I had planned to scan myself, as the rules don't say I can't I don't think. So I would know that I was good.
I will be killed at night I am sure now, where as before I thought we could all let me go for a day without revealing, and maybe the wolves would wait until Night two to kill me. <shrug>
Anyway, there it is.. Let's hope our other special is someone that can protect me for a night.
Give me names to check..
I like putting you on your list. You can pick who you like for the other two, but if it were me, I would add Unagi and Lassr. Both are powerful if on the side of good. Don't announce who your final picks are.
To be clear, the rationale for including RMC on RMC's list is that if he gets a "hit" then we know (if RMC is being truthful) at least one wolf out of a group of 2, rather than at least one wolf out of a group of 3? Though of course that would come at the expense of lowering the odds of hitting a wolf, which is not a clearly worthwhile trade-off to my mind (I would have to think about it).bb2112 wrote:Assuming there is no counter, and that you who you say you are, then the game isn't necessarily over for you. There are multiple protector roles and the witch could revive you.RMC wrote:No big deal, you all want me to come clean, so I will. Not that it does any good.
I am the PI. I can do a one time scan. Should have done it last night. I was hoping to get a few people out prior to doing it, to help. Also, I wanted to see who was saying what. But this has devolved into RMC might be bad or good, so no real info to gleen.
I had planned to scan myself, as the rules don't say I can't I don't think. So I would know that I was good.
I will be killed at night I am sure now, where as before I thought we could all let me go for a day without revealing, and maybe the wolves would wait until Night two to kill me. <shrug>
Anyway, there it is.. Let's hope our other special is someone that can protect me for a night.
Give me names to check..
I like putting you on your list. You can pick who you like for the other two, but if it were me, I would add Unagi and Lassr. Both are powerful if on the side of good. Don't announce who your final picks are.
If I discover that I am a wolf, you betcha I will claim Elongated Man... Err.. I mean Red Rocket...El Guapo wrote:To be clear, the rationale for including RMC on RMC's list is that if he gets a "hit" then we know (if RMC is being truthful) at least one wolf out of a group of 2, rather than at least one wolf out of a group of 3? Though of course that would come at the expense of lowering the odds of hitting a wolf, which is not a clearly worthwhile trade-off to my mind (I would have to think about it).bb2112 wrote:Assuming there is no counter, and that you who you say you are, then the game isn't necessarily over for you. There are multiple protector roles and the witch could revive you.RMC wrote:No big deal, you all want me to come clean, so I will. Not that it does any good.
I am the PI. I can do a one time scan. Should have done it last night. I was hoping to get a few people out prior to doing it, to help. Also, I wanted to see who was saying what. But this has devolved into RMC might be bad or good, so no real info to gleen.
I had planned to scan myself, as the rules don't say I can't I don't think. So I would know that I was good.
I will be killed at night I am sure now, where as before I thought we could all let me go for a day without revealing, and maybe the wolves would wait until Night two to kill me. <shrug>
Anyway, there it is.. Let's hope our other special is someone that can protect me for a night.
Give me names to check..
I like putting you on your list. You can pick who you like for the other two, but if it were me, I would add Unagi and Lassr. Both are powerful if on the side of good. Don't announce who your final picks are.
Actually, might as well ask the threshold question - Scoop, can a PI include themselves in their group of 3?
RMC, I trust that if you do include yourself and discover that you are a wolf, that you will do the honorable thing and come forward for lynching.
Work. Got all day training tomorrow so I will not be on until tomorrow night. Don't run anyone else up the pole until I'm back.RMC wrote:Well where were you when they all wanted to lynch me then?Lassr wrote:are we guaranteed a seer? The rules read as the seer is a random role also. So odds are we have no see.
Yes.El Guapo wrote:Actually, might as well ask the threshold question - Scoop, can a PI include themselves in their group of 3?
Follow up question: Does the PI's list need to include at least one Dame who is up to no good?Scoop20906 wrote:Yes.El Guapo wrote:Actually, might as well ask the threshold question - Scoop, can a PI include themselves in their group of 3?
Question: isn't the Bogeyman an "either team" role? Or does that mean that the Bogeyman wins if all night-active wolves are dead OR all night-active villagers are dead?Bogeyman: You win if all the night-active players are dead. Could be on either team.
This is a wrench in the value of the PI / seer. Wolf Man as well.Lycan: You are a villager, but you appear falsely to be a werewolf to the Seers or PI (if they exist)
Question: I assume that this means before the victim's alignment is revealed? We don't learn role from a death, right? Also, I assume that the martyr could take the place of a lynch target (but might accidentally protect a wolf), yes?Martyr: Take the place of someone who has been killed before their role is revealed.
I assume that the effect here is the same as being killed?Old Hag: At night, indicate a player who must leave the village the next day. (one time power)
So this only gets used on night 0 and night 1, but the respective players are protected indefinitely from one kill (until the "next attempt to kill" each player?Priest: On the first night, protect a player. The next attempt to kill the player fails. The night after that attempt, you protect a different player. Can no protect the same player twice.
Is the lynch used up if the village targets the Prince, or can they lynch someone else? Note that this is a provable role.Prince: You can't be lynched.
Is the village told anything when the spellcaster uses his power?Spellcaster: At night, indicate a player who must not post the following day.
Isn't this a werewolf role?Sorcerer: You are a seer, but you are on the Werewolf team. You only know if you've found a werewolf, another seer, or something else.
Is the Cult Leader guaranteed to be in the game? If one player on a team is the Cult Leader, does that count as a special for that team?Cult Leader: Each night, add a player to your cult. (Mod will inform them they are part of the cult and who is the leader) You win if all of the players left alive are part of your cult.