NTB. WTF.

Zekester · Post by **Zekester** » Sat Oct 25, 2008 4:19 pm

deleted cause pr0ner was following me around the GT boards digging up all of my old posts here and posting them there. For some strange effed up reason.

ChrisGrenard · Post by **ChrisGrenard** » Sat Oct 25, 2008 5:07 pm

I have no idea what the hell you are talking about. I think it's car related, but I'm not really getting it.

If you're talking about changing a tire on a car, well, I've put a donut on a car before, that wasn't hard at all. Seems like you could have done that yourself easily.

theohall · Post by **theohall** » Sat Oct 25, 2008 5:08 pm

Zekester wrote:Took my car in a couple weeks ago for new front tires. They didn't have my exact size in stock, so I just told them put the next size up on. My car has plenty of clearance, so a slightly bigger tire would work no problem.

They wouldn't do it. They said they weren't allowed.

My girlfriend's son took a tire and rim up there today to have mounted.

Again, they wouldn't do it. The reason? BECAUSE THE TIRE IS 7 YRS OLD.

Are you effing kidding me? Have they gotten so scared of lawsuits that they won't even put a 7yr old tire on a rim? This tire is almost like new, FFS.

The problem with 7 year old tires is no one has any idea how rotted the inside of the tire might be. A few companies have been sued for selling old tires which exploded without warning on the drivers. Company is just protecting itself from any liability issues which might result from mounting said tire.

Just Read this. NTSB issued warning about potential "Catastrophic Failure" for outdated tires even if they appear brand new.

Zekester · Post by **Zekester** » Sat Oct 25, 2008 5:22 pm

ChrisGrenard wrote:I have no idea what the hell you are talking about. I think it's car related, but I'm not really getting it.

If you're talking about changing a tire on a car, well, I've put a donut on a car before, that wasn't hard at all. Seems like you could have done that yourself easily.

NTB is a company that I thought was nationwide? Anyway...they're a big chain around here that sells tires.

He needed the old tire taken off he rim and the "new" tire put on.

I figured it had to be lawsuit driven. Isn't everything nowadays?

BTW theo...check your inbox for GLB

ChrisGrenard · Post by **ChrisGrenard** » Sat Oct 25, 2008 5:27 pm

Never heard of NTB, but the topic title makes sense now.

Yeah, people don't mess with lawsuits nowdays, for good reason too. Nicest guy in the world could be about 30 seconds away from suing you into oblivion.

theohall · Post by **theohall** » Sat Oct 25, 2008 5:31 pm

Got it. Done.

KiloOhm · Post by **KiloOhm** » Sat Oct 25, 2008 8:56 pm

NTB = National Tire and Battery

Post by **FishPants** » Sun Oct 26, 2008 10:33 am

They wouldn't give you a bigger tire because it would screw up your speedo; and likely result in a lawsuit as a result of you careening down the highway at high speeds.. Or something like that.

The only time you can really change tires is if you are changing rim size with it, whereby the overall circumference of the tire remains the same. Otherwise you need to unfuck your speedo with a different sized tire (and your AWD/4x4/Traction control on your car if you have that), and I can see them not wanting to get in that game.

As for the old tire? Ya I wouldn't want to be the mechanic putting that tire on either.. Higher probabilty the rubber is weakened and could blow up in his face (ouchie).

pr0ner · Post by **pr0ner** » Sun Oct 26, 2008 12:37 pm

FishPants wrote:They wouldn't give you a bigger tire because it would screw up your speedo; and likely result in a lawsuit as a result of you careening down the highway at high speeds.. Or something like that.

The only time you can really change tires is if you are changing rim size with it, whereby the overall circumference of the tire remains the same. Otherwise you need to unfuck your speedo with a different sized tire (and your AWD/4x4/Traction control on your car if you have that), and I can see them not wanting to get in that game.

As for the old tire? Ya I wouldn't want to be the mechanic putting that tire on either.. Higher probabilty the rubber is weakened and could blow up in his face (ouchie).

+1.

Particularly the speedometer part.

Zekester · Post by **Zekester** » Sun Oct 26, 2008 3:31 pm

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Post by **FishPants** » Sun Oct 26, 2008 4:17 pm

Zekester wrote:Get real.

The "bigger" tire issue was in width, not diameter.

The width affecting speedometer? Uhh no, it will affect things like turning and so on (if it starts rubbing the inside wall if you don't have enough clearance.

Not sure if now you meant you wanted a wider tire.. To do that you would need wider rims no? Anyways if you were looking at bigger diameter wise Here's some light reading to explain the principle. You change the diameter you change the amount of distance traveled per revolution (how the speedometer measures how fast you are going).

Zekester wrote: And the "older" tire issue is just an arrogant, chicken-shit move by a bloated corporation. There is NOTHING wrong with a 7yr old tire.

Come on, guys......you were kidding, right?

A quick google turned up an article on old rubber killing people. Granted more on the slant of it blowing while riding on it, but the point kind of remains.

Crux · Post by **Crux** » Sun Oct 26, 2008 6:25 pm

Zekester wrote:Get real.

The "bigger" tire issue was in width, not diameter.

And the "older" tire issue is just an arrogant, chicken-shit move by a bloated corporation. There is NOTHING wrong with a 7yr old tire.

Come on, guys......you were kidding, right?

Are we really supposed to take auto safety advice from someone who rides a motorcycle without a helmet?

pr0ner · Post by **pr0ner** » Sun Oct 26, 2008 7:21 pm

Zekester wrote:Get real.

The "bigger" tire issue was in width, not diameter.

And the "older" tire issue is just an arrogant, chicken-shit move by a bloated corporation. There is NOTHING wrong with a 7yr old tire.

Come on, guys......you were kidding, right?

No, not kidding.

theohall · Post by **theohall** » Sun Oct 26, 2008 10:39 pm

No, not kidding either. As the Safety rep for our squadron, it's my job to let folks know about safety issues. A big one this spring was old tires and the danger of them blowing with absolutely no warning even when they looked brand new. There is no possible way to know the condition between the walls in an old tire just using the standard checks one normally uses for tires.

Zekester · Post by **Zekester** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 6:44 am

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naednek · Post by **naednek** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 8:38 am

Crux wrote:
Zekester wrote:Get real.

The "bigger" tire issue was in width, not diameter.

And the "older" tire issue is just an arrogant, chicken-shit move by a bloated corporation. There is NOTHING wrong with a 7yr old tire.

Come on, guys......you were kidding, right?
Are we really supposed to take auto safety advice from someone who rides a motorcycle without a helmet?

awesome!

Post by **FishPants** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 9:30 am

Zekester wrote:I wonder.....would you all wear two seat belts in a car if they actually had them, too?

If it increased my likelihood of survival.. Sure?

Disclaimer: This is coming from a guy (me) that low sided his motorcycle, slid across the pavement and racked my helmet against the curb at around 50km/h. I only walked away with some scuffs on my textile pants and leather jacket; so you may not want to follow my advice.

Zekester · Post by **Zekester** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 11:28 am

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Scuzz · Post by **Scuzz** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 11:31 am

Zekester wrote:Get real.

The "bigger" tire issue was in width, not diameter.

And the "older" tire issue is just an arrogant, chicken-shit move by a bloated corporation. There is NOTHING wrong with a 7yr old tire.

Come on, guys......you were kidding, right?

Tires are made of rubber and rubber ages in weather. If the tire was kept in a dark temperture controlled room for 7 years it might be okay but a tire that is in light will have a certain amount of degradation over time. Or so I have been told.

Zekester · Post by **Zekester** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 11:48 am

pr0ner · Post by **pr0ner** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 12:55 pm

Zekester wrote:Gay

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 1:05 pm

If cars were available with 5 point restraints as an option, I would take one.

Two Sheds · Post by **Two Sheds** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 1:07 pm

When I worked in a tire shop, we would very rarely put a bigger size tire on a rim. You might have the clearance, but there are enough potential issues like the bead not sealing right that we usually didn't do it.

We never mounted any tires people brought in that weren't new or bought in our store, unless it was putting a replaced tire on the spare rim to act as a full-size spare. We didn't want to have anything resembling liability in case that 7-year-old "like new" tire turned out to be rotten or structurally unsound and wrecked your car.

grumpy · Post by **grumpy** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 1:14 pm

Zekester wrote: And the "older" tire issue is just an arrogant, chicken-shit move by a bloated corporation. There is NOTHING wrong with a 7yr old tire.

I just ripped a tire made in 2004 off my car. Slow leaking and visibly dry rotted.

Bakhtosh · Post by **Bakhtosh** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 1:53 pm

Zekester wrote:And the "older" tire issue is just an arrogant, chicken-shit move by a bloated corporation. There is NOTHING wrong with a 7yr old tire.

It's not a joke to the service company who could be sued if the tire blows. It's not a joke to the kid who would lose control of the car if the tire blows at highway speeds.

Zekester · Post by **Zekester** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 3:22 pm

Still gay.

pr0ner · Post by **pr0ner** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 3:24 pm

Zekester wrote:Still gay.

So doing the right thing by them is gay because it's not the right thing by you? Because them doing the right thing could potentially save someone's life? Okay then.

Zekester · Post by **Zekester** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 3:32 pm

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Zekester · Post by **Zekester** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 3:33 pm

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coopasonic · Post by **coopasonic** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 3:36 pm

NTB guys are beholden to corporate masters. Go to Joe the mechanic down the block if you want flexibility.

Zekester · Post by **Zekester** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 3:41 pm

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Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 3:45 pm

Your right to use an old tire and possibly have it fail stops at my right to not have your car blow out said tire at 70 MPH and take out me and my family.

Kraegor · Post by **Kraegor** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 3:45 pm

Zekester wrote:Why don't we all just live in freaking bubbles, and never leave the house then?

I mean, the safety pansies in this world are taking over. It's sickening

Christ.....how do some of you actually, you know, live?

I'm willing to jump off a bridge. I'm not willing to do it using a 7 yr old cord.

Machismo is all well and good. But stupid is stupid. your fear of being "teh gay" seems to equate with taking unnecessary risks. That isn't macho. It's pissing upwind.

Zekester · Post by **Zekester** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 3:57 pm

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Kraegor · Post by **Kraegor** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 4:05 pm

you are mixing fear and common sense.

why lock your door? thief can just knock out the window.
mouth is inherently dirty. plaque and decay occur naturally. why brush your teeth? just gonna get dirty again...

regardless, the main thrust of your complaint is that you cannot have what you want put onto your car by a 3rd party that can be sued by anyone who is involved in a blowout accident with you.

The logical fallacy:
You can put whatever you want on your car.
You cannot expect someone else to take the risk for you.

solution: put the tire on yourself.

as for this situation equating to everyone being afraid of everything, that is also false. The individual likely doesn't give a shit. The corporation with deep pockets believes in covering its own ass.

Two Sheds · Post by **Two Sheds** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 4:09 pm

There's nothing inherently dangerous about a car. If all cars were properly maintained and operated correctly, there would be nothing dangerous about driving them. Barring that, you can at least do those things with your own car to put the equation a little more into your (and everyone's) favor. You're acting like taking any safety precautions at all make you a "pussy." Hell, power tools are inherently dangerous--why wear safety goggles or gloves? Basement flooded and fusebox blown? Shit--get on down there and start fixing that panel. Live a little.

What are you, a middle-schooler?

Kraegor · Post by **Kraegor** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 4:13 pm

Basement flooded and fusebox blown? Shit--get on down there and start fixing that panel. Live a little.

ROFL. fire sprinkler line froze and burst above my apt.... flooded the place with 2 feet of water...

fire dept shows up 30 minutes later... I'm walking around in there... they walk in with their big rubber boots poking around and first thing they say... "uhhh might be a good idea to kill the power in here".... damn, knew I forgot somethin!

RLMullen · Post by **RLMullen** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 4:13 pm

Zekester wrote:Why don't we all just live in freaking bubbles, and never leave the house then?

I mean, the safety pansies in this world are taking over. It's sickening

Christ.....how do some of you actually, you know, live?

My desire to live in a "safety bubble" has nothing to do with protecting myself from myself... or 7-yr old tires for that matter. I live with horses; I live with that danger every time I step outside, and my wife should have legitimately died from a fall two years ago. No, I'm not "pussified".

My desire to live in a "safety bubble" has everything to do with protecting my family and myself from people like you, people who don't give a fuck about anyone else besides themselves. If I'm going to die because someone did something stupid, then that someone better be me. I don't want to die for your stupidity; please keep it to yourself.

Zekester · Post by **Zekester** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 4:18 pm

It's not common sense.... It's fear, plain and simple. It's a corporations fear of being sued. It's an individuals fear of being hurt.

Look.....given the choice, even I would prefer newer tires. But no one on this planet is going to convince me that i'm going to kill someone by putting 7yr old tires on my car. Or 10mm wider tires.

I've made it to age 41 doing some so-called "stupid" things, and I haven't killed anyone along the way. There's millions of other people in this world that have too.

And I just bet that there is something that every one of you safety zealots here have done, or still do, everyday that is potentially dangerous to yourself or someone else. So spare me the lectures.

naednek · Post by **naednek** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 4:24 pm

Isgrimnur wrote:Your right to use an old tire and possibly have it fail stops at my right to not have your car blow out said tire at 70 MPH and take out me and my family.

Thank you I was going to point that out, but I figured I'll just let it go, until I saw more of his responses. IF you want to ride a motorcycle with no helmet than go ahead, there's a high chance it's only going to endanger yourself, but being irresponsible by putting on tires that do not fit your car or putting on old tires, not only endangers yourself, it will endangers others, including people in your vehicle.

It's a little thing called common sense. Some of us have it, some, well, they're still looking for it.