Unagi wrote: ↑Thu Aug 26, 2021 8:57 pm
Totally... It's almost comical. Ohh... To be so bold as to look a grand total of one solid day before the attack...
I'd like to believe they're building a narrative - that they focused on 1/6 but then discovered communications that led them to focus on 1/5. Once they start looking at 1/5, lo and behold, we need to go back to days and weeks before.
The idea would be to go that route rather than just say "We're investigating 1/6 and are currently looking at communications from December of 2020" - which in isolation wouldn't make sense.
They're letting the investigation raise questions and then following the new information back in time.
I’d like to believe this isn’t an absurd circus/theater, but we all know how this ends.
11 pages of hope that surely, THIS time, they’ve gone too far, and there is still justice in the world.
Reminds me a lot of our collective reaction after Sandy Hook. Fucking crickets. A horrible, existential tragedy and threat. I guess the days of America taking on enormous challenges and coming out stronger are over.
I give the Democrats a 4% chance of holding even one treasonous asshole accountable (not talking about the schlubs that did the actual storming, someone in power).
Carpet_pissr wrote: ↑Thu Aug 26, 2021 10:11 pm
I give the Democrats a 4% chance of holding even one treasonous asshole accountable (not talking about the schlubs that did the actual storming, someone in power).
Drazzil wrote: ↑Sat Sep 04, 2021 8:38 pm
If I were the president I'd be hanging traitors already.
The president doesn't have the power to hang anyone.
I'd find the people to investigate them first. Of course, then after a fair and impartial trial; I'd have them hung. Its a simple thing really. Applying the rules to the idiots who rioted, and the people who enabled the idiots that rioted.
Drazzil wrote: ↑Sat Sep 04, 2021 8:38 pm
If I were the president I'd be hanging traitors already.
The president doesn't have the power to hang anyone.
I'd find the people to investigate them first. Of course, then after a fair and impartial trial; I'd have them hung. Its a simple thing really. Applying the rules to the idiots who rioted, and the people who enabled the idiots that rioted.
The president has no power to investigate people, let alone to "have them hung."
Drazzil wrote: ↑Sat Sep 04, 2021 8:38 pm
If I were the president I'd be hanging traitors already.
The president doesn't have the power to hang anyone.
I'd find the people to investigate them first. Of course, then after a fair and impartial trial; I'd have them hung. Its a simple thing really. Applying the rules to the idiots who rioted, and the people who enabled the idiots that rioted.
The president has no power to investigate people, let alone to "have them hung."
If I'm not mistaken, the president has the power to appoint AG's. Biden should find an AG (or an acting AG) to start investigating the people behind the Jan 6 insurrection, if his current AG wont do it, fire him and find someone who will. Unravel the GOP like the FBI used the RICO laws to unravel the mob.
Then he can arrest, convict, and try the guilty parties. THEN have them hung.
he Constitution specifically identifies what constitutes treason against the United States and, importantly, limits the offense of treason to only two types of conduct: (1) “levying war” against the United States; or (2) “adhering to [the] enemies [of the United States], giving them aid and comfort.” Although there have not been many treason prosecutions in American history—indeed, only one person has been indicted for treason since 1954—the Supreme Court has had occasion to further define what each type of treason entails.
The Capitol rioters are traitors by our common understanding of the word, but they don't meet the legal understanding.
he Constitution specifically identifies what constitutes treason against the United States and, importantly, limits the offense of treason to only two types of conduct: (1) “levying war” against the United States; or (2) “adhering to [the] enemies [of the United States], giving them aid and comfort.” Although there have not been many treason prosecutions in American history—indeed, only one person has been indicted for treason since 1954—the Supreme Court has had occasion to further define what each type of treason entails.
The Capitol rioters are traitors by our common understanding of the word, but they don't meet the legal understanding.
I'm pretty sure that the Jan 6 idiots were "levying war" against the United States. IMO though. I'm no lawyer. The congresshits who gave them the tours would most certainly meet the "aid and comfort to the enemies of the United States" in part 2.
This letter is a trainwreck. It is unethical at best but it starts off complaining about turning over records to 'Democrats'. No it is a request by a Select Committee comprised of members of both parties. These guys are such morons.
Zero. None of them were in Congress. These are signatures of the worst of the worst seditionists. Most if not all goblinized during the Trump administration. It's no surprise they don't want the records turned over. I suspect they don't care. It isn't like anything will happen to them. They are just putting in their performances.
This is a good conversation about the different avenues that need to be explored. As a sample:
* Why did Pence refuse to leave the Capitol? Did he know something was up?
* Why did all 10 living former Secretaries of Defense write an open letter on January 3rd to urge the military to stay out of political/electoral processes?
malchior wrote: ↑Sun Sep 05, 2021 4:56 pm
This letter is a trainwreck. It is unethical at best but it starts off complaining about turning over records to 'Democrats'. No it is a request by a Select Committee comprised of members of both parties. These guys are such morons.
I would hope the response is something like:
" Hey OP, listen to my advice alright." -Tha General "No scientific discovery is named after its original discoverer." -Stigler's Law of Eponymy, discovered by Robert K. Merton MYT
Do y'all think we're going to see more fireworks on 9/18, when the MAGAts gather at the Capitol to support the "political prisoners" from 1/6? I see that the Capitol Police are going to move the fencing back into place and bracing for violence...are we in for another shitshow?
Kraken wrote: ↑Fri Sep 10, 2021 11:24 am
Do y'all think we're going to see more fireworks on 9/18, when the MAGAts gather at the Capitol to support the "political prisoners" from 1/6? I see that the Capitol Police are going to move the fencing back into place and bracing for violence...are we in for another shitshow?
I am unwilling to visit the dark online places where such things are plotted, so I have no idea.
Kraken wrote: ↑Fri Sep 10, 2021 11:24 am
Do y'all think we're going to see more fireworks on 9/18, when the MAGAts gather at the Capitol to support the "political prisoners" from 1/6? I see that the Capitol Police are going to move the fencing back into place and bracing for violence...are we in for another shitshow?
If they use the industrial strength fencing instead of bike racks, there shouldn't be any incursions into the Capitol. But there could be major rioting outside. The world needs to see that these fascist imbeciles represent a clear and present danger.
If it gets rowdy, I only hope that tear gas and pepper spray are used excessively. Hell, throw packs of firecrackers into the angry, obnoxious throng.
Maybe we should ask the question "are the Capitol Police mentally and physically equipped and staffed up to handle a 1/6 type event?" The last thing I remember reading about them, many had PTSD, hurt, injured, killed (suicide or other), fired, quit, etc. I imagine morale is not great in that group right now.
Weren't we all afraid that they were going to try something at the inauguration? I'm not sure, sans Trump, they have the organization to produce another 1/6 scale event, particularly in the face of security that is expecting them.
YellowKing wrote: ↑Fri Sep 10, 2021 12:51 pm
Weren't we all afraid that they were going to try something at the inauguration? I'm not sure, sans Trump, they have the organization to produce another 1/6 scale event, particularly in the face of security that is expecting them.
I don't think it will be of the same scale because they've lost the element of surprise/disbelief, and hundreds of participants from last time are in custody or at least well-known. OTOH, their success might embolden an even larger crowd, and they're even more riled up by the vaccine mandates and Afghanistan coverage and so forth. There will surely be instigators, possibly from both sides. I posed the question because IDK what to expect. I hope it fizzles.
Kraken wrote: ↑Fri Sep 10, 2021 11:24 am
Do y'all think we're going to see more fireworks on 9/18, when the MAGAts gather at the Capitol to support the "political prisoners" from 1/6? I see that the Capitol Police are going to move the fencing back into place and bracing for violence...are we in for another shitshow?
I was completely unaware that this was even a thing. Honestly, if they want to 'press the point', I am (strategically) down for that. I'm not OK with the idea of more Capitol Police officers having to put their lives on the line for these asshole's right to protest. At least if the shit hits the show, this time, Biden admin wont (literally) hesitate to bring in the National Guard, I would think.
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YellowKing wrote: ↑Fri Sep 10, 2021 12:51 pm
Weren't we all afraid that they were going to try something at the inauguration? I'm not sure, sans Trump, they have the organization to produce another 1/6 scale event, particularly in the face of security that is expecting them.
The bigger factor, I think, is that the people making the decisions won't be telling them to stand down and let the bad guys go on in. If they start breaking down barricades and climbing walls like last time, they're in for the kind of response they'd get any time other than 1/6.
Kraken wrote: ↑Fri Sep 10, 2021 11:24 am
Do y'all think we're going to see more fireworks on 9/18, when the MAGAts gather at the Capitol to support the "political prisoners" from 1/6? I see that the Capitol Police are going to move the fencing back into place and bracing for violence...are we in for another shitshow?
I think this is more about producing MAGA soundbites and securing MAGA bona fides than actually seizing the Capitol.
On 1/6, the fervent actually believed that they could stop the electoral count and change the result. This time it's just a gross pep rally.
Kraken wrote: ↑Fri Sep 10, 2021 11:24 am
Do y'all think we're going to see more fireworks on 9/18, when the MAGAts gather at the Capitol to support the "political prisoners" from 1/6? I see that the Capitol Police are going to move the fencing back into place and bracing for violence...are we in for another shitshow?
I think this is more about producing MAGA soundbites and securing MAGA bona fides than actually seizing the Capitol.
On 1/6, the fervent actually believed that they could stop the electoral count and change the result. This time it's just a gross pep rally.
Exactly. On 1/6 they had a motive and a goal, no matter how outlandish. This time, what would they be trying to achieve. I also think all of the arrests, even with almost no convictions, will have a chilling effect.
YellowKing wrote: ↑Fri Sep 10, 2021 12:51 pm
Weren't we all afraid that they were going to try something at the inauguration? I'm not sure, sans Trump, they have the organization to produce another 1/6 scale event, particularly in the face of security that is expecting them.
The bigger factor, I think, is that the people making the decisions won't be telling them to stand down and let the bad guys go on in. If they start breaking down barricades and climbing walls like last time, they're in for the kind of response they'd get any time other than 1/6.
But the orange guy in Florida is still the shadow president right, he's just wearing Biden's skin and waiting for the right moment to reveal himself or something.
YellowKing wrote: ↑Fri Sep 10, 2021 12:51 pm
Weren't we all afraid that they were going to try something at the inauguration? I'm not sure, sans Trump, they have the organization to produce another 1/6 scale event, particularly in the face of security that is expecting them.
The bigger factor, I think, is that the people making the decisions won't be telling them to stand down and let the bad guys go on in. If they start breaking down barricades and climbing walls like last time, they're in for the kind of response they'd get any time other than 1/6.
But the orange guy in Florida is still the shadow president right, he's just wearing Biden's skin and waiting for the right moment to reveal himself or something.
Forget those guys. I'd think after the police dealt with 1/6 and its resultant fallout (suicides, etc), they're not going to be as accommodating if something new happens.
YellowKing wrote: ↑Fri Sep 10, 2021 12:51 pm
Weren't we all afraid that they were going to try something at the inauguration? I'm not sure, sans Trump, they have the organization to produce another 1/6 scale event, particularly in the face of security that is expecting them.
The bigger factor, I think, is that the people making the decisions won't be telling them to stand down and let the bad guys go on in. If they start breaking down barricades and climbing walls like last time, they're in for the kind of response they'd get any time other than 1/6.
