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Unagi wrote: Sat Jul 24, 2021 9:38 am
malchior wrote: Sat Jul 24, 2021 7:05 am The list of stuff someone could possibly feel offended by is exhausting.
First, I get what you are saying.... but I don't really know that I actually feel that way. I mean, personally, I've not been overwhelmed by the very few tweaks I've maybe had to consciously make to my behavior or speech - but I've always had a heavy "wouldn't want to offend" angel on my shoulder, in my "real life / day-to-day", so I think I appreciate being 'shown the path' sometimes... (perhaps to a fault). Ironically, I think I come across as a bit of an offensive jerk on the internet.
Fair this is my personal experience talking. I'm immersed in social justice warriors culture and see it up close. The worst of the woke are just different authoritarians in my view at this point and I do find it personally exhausting. To the end that I try not to speak publicly about anything anymore lest I get cancelled for some stray remark. I've seen it happen way too often in my personal circle over innocuous remarks or not sending the right signals.
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Unagi wrote: Sat Jul 24, 2021 9:32 am
Kurth wrote: Sat Jul 24, 2021 1:08 am
Unagi wrote: Fri Jul 23, 2021 4:46 pm off topic...
Kurth wrote: Fri Jul 23, 2021 3:24 am calling a spade a spade
That's 3 (times in the last 3 weeks... ) you're out!
I was enlightened myself.
WTF??? I’ve been using the expression forever and without any inkling that there’s a racial element to it. And no one’s ever suggested there was. Is this something that’s widely known and I’ve just been incredibly ignorant my whole life?

I just googled the phrase, and there’s no mention of any racial element on Wikipedia, not that that’s the be all and end all, but still . . .

Edited to add: After doing a little more googling, the only source I see that suggests the idiom “to call a spade a spade” is racist is the NPR Codeswitch article which acknowledges that the origins of the phrase have no racial component and that:
For almost half a millennium, the phrase has served as a demand to "tell it like it is."
That notwithstanding, NPR concludes that:
So what does all of this mean for people who want to, well, "call a spade a spade"? I urge caution. Mieder concludes his case study with the argument that "to call a spade a spade" should be retired from modern usage: "Rather than taking the chance of unintentionally offending someone or of being misunderstood, it is best to relinquish the old innocuous proverbial expression all together."
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First, I certainly hope you know I wasn't trying to call you out as having any ill-intent, as I know you didn't. And yeah, it's a :think: 'er for sure... I just saw you use the phrase a few weeks ago, and it struck me that you probably hadn't seen the link that LawBeef had shared...


Personally, I've certainly used the phrase before - but I can use other phrases instead, so I'll likely just not use it... as Mieder concluded.
Totally understand you weren’t calling me out, and I didn’t take it as such, so no worries. To avoid further derail, I’ll also switch over to the Racism thread with further comments.
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What the hell is up with his movements? Is he on horse tranquilizers?
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Holman wrote: Sat Jul 24, 2021 8:45 pm What the hell is up with his movements? Is he on horse tranquilizers?
Some sort of neurological disorder by some accounts.
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malchior wrote: Sat Jul 24, 2021 8:47 pm
Holman wrote: Sat Jul 24, 2021 8:45 pm What the hell is up with his movements? Is he on horse tranquilizers?
Some sort of neurological disorder by some accounts.
I'd sympathize if he weren't a fucking Nazi.
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Kinzinger in.

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And we are off!



@DougJBalloon as usual has a humorous take on how this will get covered.

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Fanone with a powerful moment. I've been watching all these police officers talk. Listening to these officers talk was a powerful way to open the hearings. These accounts are harrowing. We aren't learning anything new but it should be played on a loop side-by-side with GOP members downplaying this or calling this effort partisan by the MSM outlets.

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They were supposed to yield to the chosen ones. After all, some of the flag poles used to beat them once flew blue line flags.
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malchior wrote: Sat Jul 24, 2021 8:47 pm
Holman wrote: Sat Jul 24, 2021 8:45 pm What the hell is up with his movements? Is he on horse tranquilizers?
Some sort of neurological disorder by some accounts.
Worthy of Trump mockery?
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LordMortis wrote: Tue Jul 27, 2021 10:53 am
malchior wrote: Sat Jul 24, 2021 8:47 pm
Holman wrote: Sat Jul 24, 2021 8:45 pm What the hell is up with his movements? Is he on horse tranquilizers?
Some sort of neurological disorder by some accounts.
Worthy of Trump mockery?
Depends on whether Trump thinks he did something bad to him.
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Side note - it's truly bizarre to watch a Congressional hearing that is...sane. No crazy outbursts. No grand standing. No conspiracy nonsense. No dog whistles. I have to think this might be the last time we'll see the "old normal" for a long-time in Congress.
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I look forward to the statement from Trump later today calling all these officers who testified "losers" and "liars" and calling Cheney and Kinzinger "weak RINOs". That'll show 'em!

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Skinypupy wrote: Tue Jul 27, 2021 12:44 pmC'mon Twittler...you know you want to.
Isn't it Twittless now?
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malchior wrote: Tue Jul 27, 2021 1:02 pm
Skinypupy wrote: Tue Jul 27, 2021 12:44 pmC'mon Twittler...you know you want to.
Isn't it Twittless now?
Well the witless part anyway.
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This is pretty funny, although part of me wishes they just would have let the treasonweasels spout their nonsense so everyone could hear (yet again) the true depths of their treasonweasel-ness.


An attempt to hold a press conference by Marjorie Taylor Greene and Matt Gaetz and company was just shut down by protesters
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That was weird. A press conference with just about no one there, with no form stopped cold by someone with a whistle.
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LordMortis wrote: Tue Jul 27, 2021 2:09 pm That was weird. A press conference with just about no one there, with no form stopped cold by someone with a whistle.
Almost like it was all intended to be performative outrage from the start.

Nah, couldn't be...
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It's pretty much a side show act at this point. Gohmert, Gosar, Gaetz, MTG...it is a bunch of the wackiest insurrectionists you can think of. No one gives a shit about them hence why they were only being covered by an online only fascist-adjacent streaming broadcaster.
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Here's a concept: don't hold a press conference on a public sidewalk.
It's almost as if people are the problem.
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Can Trump be subpoenaed?
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Alefroth wrote: Tue Jul 27, 2021 7:58 pm Can Trump be subpoenaed?
I would think so. But as always, what are the consequences if he blows it off?
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The DOJ has already released guidance saying Trump officials are fair game for subpoenas and the word is that the DOJ is also on board for actually pursuing criminal contempt actions if people refuse to appear. In absence of that Pelosi might have to convinced to allow the exercise of their inherent contempt powers.
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Jaymann wrote: Tue Jul 27, 2021 8:09 pm
Alefroth wrote: Tue Jul 27, 2021 7:58 pm Can Trump be subpoenaed?
I would think so. But as always, what are the consequences if he blows it off?
I hope we get to find out.
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Great news. Eric Swalwell's lawsuit against Mo Brooks for his actions on 1/6 won't be spiked by the DOJ.

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Here's the behavior in question:

It's almost as if people are the problem.
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Absolute trash

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We could have written a synopsis of today's speeches and comments last night. The same people will say the same things. In fact, we probably could have done the same for our own comments. I'm mostly interested in any actions that come out of it, or documents or testimony that are forced out that prove connections or support.

In other words, I'll just skim and catch the highlights.
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I'm seeing similar comments on my NextDoor app, which appears to be essentially a cesspool of Trumpists who CAN'T READ THE FUCKING RULES ABOUT NO POLITICAL POSTS ON NEXTDOOR.

Big thread today about how all these police officers were either actors or hypocrites who supported the George Floyd protests.
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I've seen many posts and you can watch the cognitive dissonance and propaganda propagation in real-time. It spreads extremely fast and it is extremely dangerous. I'll keep saying it. Prepare yourselves. Democracies are fragile to begin with and there is an onslaught of outright information warfare attacks on it that aren't even being defended right now.
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I guess Gym Jordan admitted last night on Brett Baier that he spoke with President Trump on 1/6 as the events were unfolding? So...basically admitting to being a witness. I look forward to seeing him getting a delicious subpoena.
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Trump needs a subpoena. And if he refuses to comply, he needs jail.
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Isgrimnur wrote: Tue Jul 27, 2021 9:10 pm Here's the behavior in question:

I just watched that clip for the first time in its entirety. Brooks is clearly riling up the crowd. He obviously is exhorting them to "fight" for America. But he's not openly advocating for violence unless you take his use of the word "fight" literally, which is a bit of a stretch.

Does anyone have a link to a copy of Swalwell's complaint? I'd like to see what claims he's making. It's really hard to see Brooks' speech - as stupid and wrong as it is - as anything other than protected political speech after having watched that video.
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That's the rub - there is a balance that needs to be struck in this analysis. Could it be political protected speech if that wasn't tied to repeated exhortations and a cumulative effect? Sure. But after months of lying about the outcome of the election, after the sloganeering, after inviting them there on that day, and exhorting them like that? He is an elected figure. He has a responsibility there to be careful with his words. So in the end it's muddy as hell. That's why I'm more than fine with a jury deciding what they think about it.
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malchior wrote: Wed Jul 28, 2021 2:19 pm That's the rub - there is a balance that needs to be struck in this analysis. Could it be political protected speech if that wasn't tied to repeated exhortations and a cumulative effect? Sure. But after months of lying about the outcome of the election, after the sloganeering, after inviting them there on that day, and exhorting them like that? He is an elected figure. He has a responsibility there to be careful with his words. So in the end it's muddy as hell. That's why I'm more than fine with a jury deciding what they think about it.
I have a really hard time imagining a judge letting a criminal charge go to a jury against an elected figure for telling a crowd to "fight" for America. I think there's a high chance that Brooks fully knew what he was doing, but "fight" is just used way too much in standard rhetoric for that to be enough for a criminal charge.

Now, if they found some evidence in e-mails or something that Brooks had the specific intent of inciting a riot or the like, that would change things. But the video's not enough.
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El Guapo wrote: Wed Jul 28, 2021 3:24 pmNow, if they found some evidence in e-mails or something that Brooks had the specific intent of inciting a riot or the like, that would change things. But the video's not enough.
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El Guapo wrote: Wed Jul 28, 2021 3:24 pm
malchior wrote: Wed Jul 28, 2021 2:19 pm That's the rub - there is a balance that needs to be struck in this analysis. Could it be political protected speech if that wasn't tied to repeated exhortations and a cumulative effect? Sure. But after months of lying about the outcome of the election, after the sloganeering, after inviting them there on that day, and exhorting them like that? He is an elected figure. He has a responsibility there to be careful with his words. So in the end it's muddy as hell. That's why I'm more than fine with a jury deciding what they think about it.
I have a really hard time imagining a judge letting a criminal charge go to a jury against an elected figure for telling a crowd to "fight" for America. I think there's a high chance that Brooks fully knew what he was doing, but "fight" is just used way too much in standard rhetoric for that to be enough for a criminal charge.

Now, if they found some evidence in e-mails or something that Brooks had the specific intent of inciting a riot or the like, that would change things. But the video's not enough.
I totally agree the video's not enough. The case would have to be framed in a pattern of conduct and communications. That is what I mean when I'm talking about 'cumulative effect'. I highly doubt Swalwell's lawsuit rests solely on his conduct on 1/6.
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