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Is anyone else excited about this new Christopher Nolan film? It's coming out September 3 in theaters that are open.



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This is the first movie in forever that I am avoiding anything related to the story so I can go in totally cold. Unfortunately that will probably mean I have to wait until it streams, and that could be a long time.
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Not going to a theater in the foreseeable future. Ask again next year.
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McNutt wrote: Sun Aug 30, 2020 10:55 pm This is the first movie in forever that I am avoiding anything related to the story so I can go in totally cold. Unfortunately that will probably mean I have to wait until it streams, and that could be a long time.
I've seen the extended trailer they showed in the theaters way back when, but otherwise I'm doing the same including waiting for streaming, which stinks. I really wanted to see it in IMAX.
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Yeah, one thing I really miss is going to movies. I'm not going anywhere until there is a vaccine and now with Trump pushing for early release, I have my doubts about that :(
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Grifman wrote: Tue Sep 01, 2020 8:34 am Yeah, one thing I really miss is going to movies.
I'm surprised by how much I miss it. I'm pretty good with everything else that being a shut-in entails, but this was supposed to be an epically good summer for movies. I'm still hoping they continue to push the bigger ones out but am beginning to realize there are a bunch that I'm going to miss out on the theater experience.
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I'm going to see this Sunday in IMAX.

No one else has currently bought seats in the auditorium at the show time I'm going to. I'm sure this won't change but I'm not expecting a large crowd in the theatre.
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pr0ner wrote: Tue Sep 01, 2020 8:52 am I'm going to see this Sunday in IMAX.

No one else has currently bought seats in the auditorium at the show time I'm going to. I'm sure this won't change but I'm not expecting a large crowd in the theatre.
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hepcat wrote: Tue Sep 01, 2020 12:26 pm
pr0ner wrote: Tue Sep 01, 2020 8:52 am I'm going to see this Sunday in IMAX.

No one else has currently bought seats in the auditorium at the show time I'm going to. I'm sure this won't change but I'm not expecting a large crowd in the theatre.
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Just saw this. Here are my initial thoughts (non spoiler):

1. Nolan doing what he does best. I'm convinced he starts a film with a simple premise: I want to put something mind-meltingly cool on the screen even if it doesn't seem possible. Now I just need to write all the stuff that leads up to it. It's a very, very cool and thrilling film.
2. A lot of people have complained about inaudible dialogue. Not a problem for me. I missed maybe 3 or 4 lines, which is about average.
3. When I've seen it another 3 or 4 times I might be able to explain to someone what the hell it was all about. :lol:

Not to be missed, in my opinion. And obviously, see it on the big screen if you can/dare.
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I'm intrigued, but the only movie that'll get me into a theater this year will be DUNE in December, and that's only if there's some hope that the virus is coming under control where I am.
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Holman wrote: Sat Sep 05, 2020 5:06 pm I'm intrigued, but the only movie that'll get me into a theater this year will be DUNE in December, and that's only if there's some hope that the virus is coming under control where I am.
The DUNE trailer made me consider Tenet though. :)
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Paradroid wrote: Sat Sep 05, 2020 2:11 pm Just saw this. Here are my initial thoughts (non spoiler):

1. Nolan doing what he does best. I'm convinced he starts a film with a simple premise: I want to put something mind-meltingly cool on the screen even if it doesn't seem possible. Now I just need to write all the stuff that leads up to it. It's a very, very cool and thrilling film.
2. A lot of people have complained about inaudible dialogue. Not a problem for me. I missed maybe 3 or 4 lines, which is about average.
3. When I've seen it another 3 or 4 times I might be able to explain to someone what the hell it was all about. :lol:

Not to be missed, in my opinion. And obviously, see it on the big screen if you can/dare.
I have issues comprehending speech on the best days, so this didn't make my life any easier, but I think I got the gist of all of it.
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Same boat as most for me: I want very much to see it but we're not going to the theaters any time soon so...😕
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I got the DVD for Christmas and watched it yesterday. If you watch unfold in a straight line and don't worry about the paradoxes it is quite enjoyable. There was one twist I liked:
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When the suited guy he was fighting turned out to be him. But they did make some noise earlier about don't touch your previous self or you would annihilate like matter meeting antimatter. Guess not.
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I tried watching it, the opening was incomprehensible to me. I was seeing things that I thought were meant to be significant in some way but I had no idea what parts of what I'm seeing mean anything and if they do mean something what do they mean? Usually with Nolan's movies I can understand what I'm seeing even though I have no context for what's going on. In the beginning of Tenet, in the theater, one character does something near another character. I couldn't tell what was done or whether it was a positive or negative thing. I imagine that later in the movie that will all be clear but the way it was filmed and edited didn't intrigue me. Maybe I just wasn't in the right mind set for it. I'll try again another time.
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One thing I found amusing was that the concept of "Tenet" was only mentioned a couple times. It reminded me of the first rule of Fight Club.
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Jaymann, that wasn't a mistake.
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The fact that he couldn't touch the other version of himself was precisely the reason he went in wearing a full suit.
gameoverman wrote: Sat Dec 26, 2020 5:34 pm I tried watching it, the opening was incomprehensible to me. I was seeing things that I thought were meant to be significant in some way but I had no idea what parts of what I'm seeing mean anything and if they do mean something what do they mean? Usually with Nolan's movies I can understand what I'm seeing even though I have no context for what's going on. In the beginning of Tenet, in the theater, one character does something near another character. I couldn't tell what was done or whether it was a positive or negative thing. I imagine that later in the movie that will all be clear but the way it was filmed and edited didn't intrigue me. Maybe I just wasn't in the right mind set for it. I'll try again another time.
Anyone who says they understood the whole thing after one viewing is a liar. You need to watch it at least twice to comprehend everything. And yes, I think I know which part of the opera scene you mean, and there's absolutely no way to know exactly what it was about on your first viewing.
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Paradroid wrote: Sat Dec 26, 2020 6:10 pm Jaymann, that wasn't a mistake.
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The fact that he couldn't touch the other version of himself was precisely the reason he went in wearing a full suit.
Then it's a good thing:
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That suit was 100% airtight, as a leak of a single molecule would spell disaster.
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Jaymann wrote: Sat Dec 26, 2020 5:39 pm One thing I found amusing was that the concept of "Tenet" was only mentioned a couple times. It reminded me of the first rule of Fight Club.
Personally, I thought it was much closer to the second rule of Fight Club.

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Jaymann wrote: Sat Dec 26, 2020 6:29 pm
Paradroid wrote: Sat Dec 26, 2020 6:10 pm Jaymann, that wasn't a mistake.
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The fact that he couldn't touch the other version of himself was precisely the reason he went in wearing a full suit.
Then it's a good thing:
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That suit was 100% airtight, as a leak of a single molecule would spell disaster.
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It didn't go down that far, as he walks out of the place wearing a mask only.
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I just watched this last night. I'm pretty sure it was the second installment of a trilogy. If so, it has the potential to be very cool. If it ends up being a one off, it was just OK. I was expecting more stunts. I didn't have the "why" of it all, but I did get the all the hidden identities as they occurred with the exception of who Neil saw in Freeport (and should have gotten that one, but didn't quite have the rules down yet). My wife was utterly lost, but she also dozed in and out which added to the degree of difficulty. :D
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Stream-rented it a couple months ago. I liked it a lot, but knew I'd have to watch it again to start to understand everything. But I don't have the patience for that. I said the same thing about Inception... my mother-in-law gave me a copy for Christmas ten years ago, after seeing it in the theatre. I still haven't watched it a second time. :mrgreen:

I love Nolan. I know he's more Hollywood than auteur, but he's some damn fine Hollywood. I do think his work is getting overly complicated and he was at his best with the more "simple" Memento, The Prestige, and The Dark Knight. But all his films resonate with me emotionally. They're the best kind of sensory-emotional porn, and he does an amazing job of elevating actors I previously found largely unappealing (e.g. DiCaprio, McConaughey), as well as utilizing ones I already loved (Bale).

I'd list Robert Pattinson in the former category, but the reality is I've already realized over the past couple years what an outstanding actor he actually is (e.g. The Rover, The Lost City of Z, High Life, The Lighthouse, Good Time), despite getting his start in franchises I don't care for. I wasn't familiar with John David Washington or his lineage until after the film, but he delivered a subdued yet intense performance.

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I watched this over the weekend and I really didn't enjoy it. It was overly obtuse (even by Nolan'd standards). I had no clue what was happening throughout most of the movie and saying that you have to watch it twice to understand it just doesn't make it any better for me. I was glad when it was over.
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Scraper wrote: Mon Jun 07, 2021 5:01 pm I watched this over the weekend and I really didn't enjoy it. It was overly obtuse (even by Nolan'd standards). I had no clue what was happening throughout most of the movie and saying that you have to watch it twice to understand it just doesn't make it any better for me. I was glad when it was over.
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hepcat wrote: Mon Jun 07, 2021 6:00 pm
Scraper wrote: Mon Jun 07, 2021 5:01 pm I watched this over the weekend and I really didn't enjoy it. It was overly obtuse (even by Nolan'd standards). I had no clue what was happening throughout most of the movie and saying that you have to watch it twice to understand it just doesn't make it any better for me. I was glad when it was over.
The problem is, it ISN’T over. Now you have to watch it in reverse.
I doubt it would be any worse in reverse.
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I liked the depth of the premise. I don't mind being perplexed if the experience is still enjoyable and I'm in the mood for something that will make me think. You could say similar about Memento, Inception, and Interstellar. The Prestige to a lesser degree. A second watching wasn't mandatory, but it was definitely rewarded.

I think Tenet's problem was the sometimes unclear rules and general lack of a frame of reference. Maybe not self indulgent, but definitely trying too hard to surpass expectations. It feels like a spiritual successor to Inception to me, and the classic kind of sequel that overdoes it on the mechanics while losing part of the soul.

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Sudy wrote: Tue Jun 08, 2021 6:09 am ...overdoes it on the mechanics while losing part of the soul.
Yes, and this is also my problem with most 'hard' sci-fi novels where more time is spent on the science and the characters are just there to keep talking about the science.
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Sudy wrote: Tue Jun 08, 2021 6:09 am I think Tenet's problem was the sometimes unclear rules and general lack of a frame of reference. Maybe not self indulgent, but definitely trying too hard to surpass expectations. It feels like a spiritual successor to Inception to me, and the classic kind of sequel that overdoes it on the mechanics while losing part of the soul.
I'd have to agree with that characterization completely. I waited a long time to watch this movie when I felt fully awake so as to not succomb to richarditis(TM) - unfortunately I still fell asleep after about an hour's worth. At some point I felt like the "layers" of plot were just too much for my poor brain to handle so it simply shut down, and I have to wonder were they really necessary? I loved the core concept, but by the time he was looking for a fake(?) painting or painter or really I don't know what, I had no idea why or what I was watching any more. My partner was smart enough to read a wikipedia while we were watching to help follow along better. I mean, we aren't necessarily the smartest people in the world, but we both have PhDs so if we are having trouble following the convoluted plotlines I'm assuming it wasn't just us... The frustrating thing for me is I felt like at least some of the added complexities were really unnecessary, but I suppose I should watch it a second time to see if I feel the same way.
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just got the DVD from the library. turned subtitles on for the whole film, which i honestly never had to do before. but i usually have trouble with film dialog - it feels like a lot of films are mixed and targeted for 5.1/7.1 surround and the mixed-down 'center' stage for dialog just doesn't work right in stereo.

Jaymann wrote: Sat Dec 26, 2020 5:39 pm One thing I found amusing was that the concept of "Tenet" was only mentioned a couple times.
another example of editorial sloppiness... it did feel like this part was just forgotten about.

i do like the idea alluded to above that this is actually part of a series and it's being released completely 'out of order'

ok, i read a summary on imdb and i think i missed about 30% of the plot (which would be mostly revealed on a second viewing - i now believe this was intended):
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Hello again folks. I enjoy leaving reviews for these mind twisting movies. Here I will do my best and explain the timelines of the 4 major characters. All characters go through a RED timeline and a BLUE timeline. RED is moving forward and BLUE is moving backwards in the RED timeline. I hope that makes sense. Here we go!

1) The Sator Timeline. When he's a young man he finds a box while working in Russia. The box contains gold and the BLUE technology. He's on a mission to find pieces for a doomsday devise that wipes out existence. The last piece he needs is missing. He threatens Kat's life with the Protagonist. He uses the Blue technology to recover the missing piece. He now has all the pieces for the doomsday device. He than goes back to the day on the yacht in the RED timeline. The day where Kat sees SOMEONE dive off the boat and says he disappeared.

2) TheProtagonist timeline. After the opening opera scene he is tortured, passes a test, and is recruited. He learns of the BLUE technology. He gathers information to lead him down the path and finds the missing piece for Sator. After Kat gets shot he then uses BLUE technology so she can heal. She can heal in the BLUE timeline because she was shot with BLUE technology. Only way to come back to the RED timeline was through another BLUE and RED machine. Only one he has seen was at the airport. So the Protagonist must get them back to the RED timeline using the airport BLUE and RED machine. Protagonist then goes back to the day of the yacht in the RED timeline. Where they remove the doomsday device before the explosion.

3) The Neil Timeline. Neil helps the Protagonist in the now RED timeline. Not Neil's RED timeline but the Protagonist's RED. They find what they need to find. After Kat gets shot he goes into the BLUE timeline and along to the airport to get her through the RED and BLUE machine. He then travels to the day of the yacht in the BLUE timeline. As he is in the cave he sees another BLUE and RED machine. Knowing that they caved in the tunnel with explosives he needs to be at multiple places at once. So he then travels again through the BLUE timeline to intercept the Protagonist's failure so the Protagonist does not fail. He gets killed in the process. Keep in mind that when he went through the BLUE twice one of his selfs had to go to the RED timeline. This is where he meets up with them at the end. This is where the Protagonist realized he's dead and it was him who saved him at the opera house in the beginning.

4) The Kat timeline. When she meets the Protagonist in the movie it's in the RED timeline. She tells a story about the yacht and she see a woman dive off the boat, the woman diver is herself. Later, Kat gets held hostage by Sator in the RED timeline. Sator is in the same timeline but in BLUE. After the Protagonist saves her they are both captured. Protagonist captured in RED and Kat is captured in BLUE. After she gets shot she heals (Airport scene). She then heads to the day on the yacht in the RED timeline. She sees her past self leave the boat with her son and sees Sator leave in his helicopter. Ok this where it gets tricky... Sator comes back but it's not the RED Sator it's the BLUE Sator from the highway scene after he got all the pieces from the doomsday device. The RED Sator left and the BLUE came back in the RED timeline. She kills him. She always killed him. She said earlier at dinner with the Protagonist that she saw a woman dive off the boat and her husband had disappeared. She killed him and slid him off the boat with the lotion she put on his back.

Whatever happened was always going to and did happen. Neil says that a few times. But it wasn't until the end where he says it doesn't mean you should sit around and do nothing about it. Kat always kills Sator that day, Neil always dies that day.I hope that clears up some confusions. I did my best without going into the smaller details. Please react if this was helpful or not. Thank you reading those that made it until the end.
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i knew Neil was an agent from the future, but i totally didn't catch where he was actually working in multiple timelines.
i think the whole concept of 'reverse entropy' was tricky to try to portray on film, and a lot more could have been done with that- both as a plot point and as 'real world' consequences.
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