Midway Trailer - Everything that is wrong with Hollywood.
Posted: Sat Sep 14, 2019 12:17 am
by McNutt
I hate everything about this trailer.
In the original Midway film, Chareton Heston crashed a jet onto the carrier deck (seriously), and that was 100x better than anything in Roland Emmerich's film. Goddamn, I hate that man's films.
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Posted: Sat Sep 14, 2019 12:57 am
by gameoverman
It's like he saw Bay's Pearl Harbor and thought it was too contemplative.
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Posted: Sat Sep 14, 2019 1:40 am
by Isgrimnur
Completely overstylized.
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Posted: Sat Sep 14, 2019 1:57 am
by Jaymann
Yes, but Woody Harrelson.
Re: Midway Trailer - Everything that is wrong with Hollywood.
Posted: Sat Sep 14, 2019 1:59 am
by Isgrimnur
At this point, he’s more distracting than the Wilhelm.
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Posted: Sat Sep 14, 2019 10:19 am
by LawBeefaroni
"The courage of a few men"
"Just a dozen planes"
What the hell? Disservice to the truth.
Re: Midway Trailer - Everything that is wrong with Hollywood.
Posted: Sat Sep 14, 2019 10:48 am
by DOS=HIGH
LawBeefaroni wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 10:19 am
"The courage of a few men"
"Just a dozen planes"
What the hell? Disservice to the truth.
It looks like the movie also includes the Doolittle Raid, because let's face it, you can't possibly make an epic Hollywood movie just about the Battle of Midway. They've also thrown in Pearl Harbor to properly educate us on the backstory, hopefully they include some German planes.
Re: Midway Trailer - Everything that is wrong with Hollywood.
LawBeefaroni wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 10:19 am
"The courage of a few men"
"Just a dozen planes"
What the hell? Disservice to the truth.
It looks like the movie also includes the Doolittle Raid, because let's face it, you can't possibly make an epic Hollywood movie just about the Battle of Midway. They've also thrown in Pearl Harbor to properly educate us on the backstory, hopefully they include some German planes.
Manly man officer sternly says "Washington is wrong!" I'll bet we can count on a little FDR-bashing.
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Posted: Sat Sep 14, 2019 11:20 am
by dbt1949
I saw them crashing a two engine Japanese land bomber crashing into an aircraft carrier. That would not have happened, if it ever did, until late in the war, like 44-45.
Must be quite an epic movie.
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Posted: Sat Sep 14, 2019 3:11 pm
by McNutt
LawBeefaroni wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 10:19 am
"The courage of a few men"
"Just a dozen planes"
What the hell? Disservice to the truth.
Yeah, that courage of a few men bullshit pisses me off. You want to say that about Doolittle's Raiders, fine. But you don't use that line in a trailer for a movie about Midway. Few men my ass.
Does this move try to one up Bay's Pearl Harbor by having our hero shoot down planes at Pearl Harbor, bomb Tokyo AND sink the Akagi?
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Posted: Sat Sep 14, 2019 4:00 pm
by YellowKing
Wow, that trailer uses almost every trailer cliche in the book:
- WHOWMMMMMMMMMM sound
- Slow piano tune in the background
- Lots of noise then cut to complete silence while line of dialogue is delivered
- Raucous drum beats
- Dialogue interspersed with quick cuts to action sequences
- Escalating music and action climax to final cut to title
I'm sure there's some I missed.
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Posted: Sat Sep 14, 2019 4:06 pm
by Scuzz
LawBeefaroni wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 10:19 am
"The courage of a few men"
"Just a dozen planes"
What the hell? Disservice to the truth.
I am not 100% sure but those lines were being used when the Doolittle Raid was being shown. They also could have been referring to the bombers that flew off of Midway Island.
But overall I agree, they have a hell of a lot of material there for what is probably a 2-3 hour movie.
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Posted: Sat Sep 14, 2019 5:04 pm
by Default
The kaiju are spectacular!
Re: Midway Trailer - Everything that is wrong with Hollywood.
LawBeefaroni wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 10:19 am
"The courage of a few men"
"Just a dozen planes"
What the hell? Disservice to the truth.
Yeah, that courage of a few men bullshit pisses me off. You want to say that about Doolittle's Raiders, fine. But you don't use that line in a trailer for a movie about Midway. Few men my ass.
Does this move try to one up Bay's Pearl Harbor by having our hero shoot down planes at Pearl Harbor, bomb Tokyo AND sink the Akagi?
If they start with PH, maybe they shoehorn in Wake Island as well? There were a dozen planes there.
Doolittle had 16 bombers IIRC.
(Fun fact: my wife's uncle was lead mechanic for one of the Doolittle bombers, so I can feel personally affronted by this movie.)
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Posted: Sat Sep 14, 2019 6:34 pm
by Blackhawk
Iwo Jima. The whole point was the airfield, so they need to work Iwo in there. Maybe have some kamikazes trying to hit the flag or something.
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Posted: Sat Sep 14, 2019 6:43 pm
by Kasey Chang
Looks like it's everything from Pearl Harbor all the way up to Midway, including the Doolittle Raid. All that human angle makes it feel way too much like Pearl Harbor.
FWIW, that "stall going up" thing is a real maneuver called a 'stall turn' (it used to be called an Immelman turn, but no longer)
Re: Midway Trailer - Everything that is wrong with Hollywood.
LawBeefaroni wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 10:19 am
"The courage of a few men"
"Just a dozen planes"
What the hell? Disservice to the truth.
It looks like the movie also includes the Doolittle Raid, because let's face it, you can't possibly make an epic Hollywood movie just about the Battle of Midway. They've also thrown in Pearl Harbor to properly educate us on the backstory, hopefully they include some German planes.
The Germans bombed Pearl Harbour. I heard about it in college.
I think I could of made a more historically accurate movie in an afternoon using gameplay from World of Warships.
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Posted: Sat Sep 14, 2019 7:11 pm
by Holman
The Japanese planes strafing main-street Honolulu make me want to watch Belushi's 1941.
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Posted: Sat Sep 14, 2019 7:34 pm
by $iljanus
I’m hoping the USS Enterprise from the 80s goes back in time to join the fight at Midway.
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Posted: Sat Sep 14, 2019 7:36 pm
by Daehawk
$iljanus wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 7:34 pm
I’m hoping the USS Enterprise from the 80s goes back in time to join the fight at Midway.
They couldn't afford the CGI for such a cool storm now days...and that sound..wow.
Re: Midway Trailer - Everything that is wrong with Hollywood.
LawBeefaroni wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 10:19 am
"The courage of a few men"
"Just a dozen planes"
What the hell? Disservice to the truth.
Yeah, that courage of a few men bullshit pisses me off. You want to say that about Doolittle's Raiders, fine. But you don't use that line in a trailer for a movie about Midway. Few men my ass.
Does this move try to one up Bay's Pearl Harbor by having our hero shoot down planes at Pearl Harbor, bomb Tokyo AND sink the Akagi?
He has to save England during the Battle of Britain first. God that movie was so absurd.
Re: Midway Trailer - Everything that is wrong with Hollywood.
Posted: Sun Sep 15, 2019 1:11 am
by McNutt
Then he'll drop the atomic bomb on Hiroshima, saying "this one's for (insert name of close friend who died at Midway)."
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Posted: Sun Sep 15, 2019 8:06 am
by em2nought
Kasey Chang wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 6:43 pm
FWIW, that "stall going up" thing is a real maneuver called a 'stall turn' (it used to be called an Immelman turn, but no longer)
Now it's called a hammerhead.
Re: Midway Trailer - Everything that is wrong with Hollywood.
Kasey Chang wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 6:43 pm
FWIW, that "stall going up" thing is a real maneuver called a 'stall turn' (it used to be called an Immelman turn, but no longer)
Now it's called a hammerhead if done in the method used in the trailer.
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Posted: Sun Sep 15, 2019 9:44 am
by Default
Kasey Chang wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 6:43 pm
Looks like it's everything from Pearl Harbor all the way up to Midway, including the Doolittle Raid. All that human angle makes it feel way too much like Pearl Harbor.
FWIW, that "stall going up" thing is a real maneuver called a 'stall turn' (it used to be called an Immelman turn, but no longer)
Also called a yoyo.
Yeah, but you aren't doing that in a Dauntless divebomber. You stay in formation and use the multiple rear gunners to try and fend off the fighters. You fly right down on the deck so they can't get under the gunners field of fire. Also, you probably would not do that in a Brewster Buffalo or a Wildcat, because the Zeke could out turn and out climb you easily. That's why so many Army/Navy aviators ended up dead, and why Claire Chennault was so successful.
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Posted: Sun Sep 15, 2019 11:04 am
by raydude
It’s a shame because there is so much real life material. It could have been a tension filled cat and mouse game between Nimitz and his code breakers and Yamamoto, the search planes from both sides, and even the squadrons as they search for each other’s carriers.
The torpedo squadrons sacrifice as they go in without fighter cover, the heroic efforts to save Yorktown, even the Japanese captains insistence to go down with their ships. But no, it had to be sacrificed to the god of CGI.
Re: Midway Trailer - Everything that is wrong with Hollywood.
Posted: Sun Sep 15, 2019 11:11 am
by McNutt
I love the dive bombers releasing their bombs 20' above the carriers and still having time to pull up.
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Posted: Sun Sep 15, 2019 11:28 am
by Blackhawk
Kasey Chang wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 6:43 pm
(it used to be called an Immelman turn, but no longer)
An Immelman is a half loop and an inversion, or an inversion and a half loop. It's the bootlegger turn of the air.
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Posted: Sun Sep 15, 2019 1:32 pm
by Rumpy
I feel like calling this popular history. You make a historical movie while grossly blowing out the historical facts in order to just make a loud action movie to try being popular with the tentpole movie crowd. This looks so cringe-inducing, and I feel alarmed at the crowd of young people who are going to see this and think this is really how it played out.
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Posted: Sun Sep 15, 2019 1:45 pm
by Skinypupy
I've got a ton of friends (primarily with strong military ties), who "can't wait!" and are "SO excited!" after seeing that trailer.
Military fellation still goes a long way, it seems.
Re: Midway Trailer - Everything that is wrong with Hollywood.
Posted: Sun Sep 15, 2019 1:52 pm
by Isgrimnur
Skinypupy wrote:I've got a ton of friends (primarily with strong military ties), who "can't wait!" and are "SO excited!" after seeing that trailer.
Military fellation still goes a long way, it seems.
#NotAllGroupies
Re: Midway Trailer - Everything that is wrong with Hollywood.
Posted: Sun Sep 15, 2019 3:34 pm
by Scuzz
raydude wrote: ↑Sun Sep 15, 2019 11:04 am
It’s a shame because there is so much real life material. It could have been a tension filled cat and mouse game between Nimitz and his code breakers and Yamamoto, the search planes from both sides, and even the squadrons as they search for each other’s carriers.
The torpedo squadrons sacrifice as they go in without fighter cover, the heroic efforts to save Yorktown, even the Japanese captains insistence to go down with their ships. But no, it had to be sacrificed to the god of CGI.
You can't make this movie without massive amounts of CGI. Thing is it is not the CGI that will make it bad, it will be the writing for the human characters that will make it bad.
Re: Midway Trailer - Everything that is wrong with Hollywood.
Posted: Sun Sep 15, 2019 4:16 pm
by Default
McNutt wrote: ↑Sun Sep 15, 2019 11:11 am
I love the dive bombers releasing their bombs 20' above the carriers and still having time to pull up.
iirc, release height was 5,000 feet, otherwise you became a flapjack.
Re: Midway Trailer - Everything that is wrong with Hollywood.
Posted: Sun Sep 15, 2019 8:27 pm
by Jag
Default wrote: ↑Sun Sep 15, 2019 9:44 am
Yeah, but you aren't doing that in a Dauntless divebomber.
Did someone say Dauntless?
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Posted: Sun Sep 15, 2019 8:48 pm
by Daehawk
It looks like it was filmed all in one small room and they just kept changing out the green screen.
Re: Midway Trailer - Everything that is wrong with Hollywood.
McNutt wrote: ↑Sun Sep 15, 2019 11:11 am
I love the dive bombers releasing their bombs 20' above the carriers and still having time to pull up.
iirc, release height was 5,000 feet, otherwise you became a flapjack.
Poked around a bit and it looks like it was generally around 3,000 feet... but either height would not make for Good Movie! Did enjoy seeing the radial arm in action that swings the bomb out below the propeller, more flapjack prevention.
Re: Midway Trailer - Everything that is wrong with Hollywood.
McNutt wrote: ↑Sun Sep 15, 2019 11:11 am
I love the dive bombers releasing their bombs 20' above the carriers and still having time to pull up.
iirc, release height was 5,000 feet, otherwise you became a flapjack.
Poked around a bit and it looks like it was generally around 3,000 feet... but either height would not make for Good Movie! Did enjoy seeing the radial arm in action that swings the bomb out below the propeller, more flapjack prevention.
I loved that too. I used to build model WWII planes as a kid and my favorite one was an SBD that released a bomb using the radial arm.
Re: Midway Trailer - Everything that is wrong with Hollywood.
Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2019 1:32 pm
by Daehawk
WTH are you guys talking about 'radial arm'. Thats all BS. Am I missing some joke here?
EDIT: NM found info..its a swinging cradle. No wonder I couldn't find anything on a radial arm lol.
And this movie looks horrible. The in air attack screaming and lack of wind and all cgi makes me not even able to watch a trailer good.
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Posted: Sun Oct 06, 2019 2:14 pm
by Hrdina
Funny, I recently finished reading Incredible Victory: The Battle of Midway, which was superb. I've probably seen the 1976 Midway movie a dozen times (it used to be on cable a lot when I was a kid), but I don't think I'll be seeing this one.
This does give me the itch to go try to load up Pacific Fighters for the first time in years.
