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He can do things his way, it just makes it less likely he gets hired. Somewhere along the line when he settled and took on Nike it pivotted to add the Colin brand and getting paid. Everything he does is his prerogative. It sucks for the message which I thought was noble and was constantly staying in the public eye in an age where news never lasts more than two weeks. But how much can you blame someone for wanting to get theirs? He didn't ask to be martyr. Kneeling started as a token, something personal, as far as I know.
That sums it up. If you make getting hired about getting hired your way, you need to bring enough to the table to warrant getting hired your way.Kaepernick wanted to do it his way. The NFL wanted to do it its way.
They picked Ryan Leaf #2 overall IIRC and Eli Manning #1 overall. Neither panned out, although Eli became Rivers.
Didn't they give up some other QB in favor of Rivers, too? Whatever happened to that Drew Brees guy anyway?LawBeefaroni wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 5:56 pmThey picked Ryan Leaf #2 overall IIRC and Eli Manning #1 overall. Neither panned out, although Eli became Rivers.
For what it's worth, they allegedly wanted to control a whole lot more than that.ImLawBoy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 5:47 pm If what I've read is correct, he was trying to make it public. The NFL was not allowing it to be public, so they could all circle the wagons after the workout and say he didn't have the physical talent to play anymore. Since they controlled the venue, they could keep out the public and press. By moving it to a public place, I think he figured his talent would be on display and it would take that talking point away from the NFL. In reality, it just gave the NFL another (lame) excuse to continue blackballing him.
Since days have passed, it's becoming safe to assume that he indeed does not have it anymore.
Actually, by all accounts the workout showed he does still have the physical talent to play QB. If he hadn't pulled this "stunt", though, there would be no evidence to prove that, so he'd likely be in at least as bad of a position as he is now.stimpy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 6:35 pmSince days have passed, it's becoming safe to assume that he indeed does not have it anymore.
He did it his way, under his own circumstances, and got nada out of it.
This proved he doesn't need the NFL to sabotage his "career". He's done a fine job of that on his own.
See, the thing is, I thought his blacklisting was a pretty serious injustice. Now it seems he just prefers to keep playing the part of martyr, but martyrdom doesn't work that way. I hope it ultimately doesn't reflect badly on the cause he heroically championed.LordMortis wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 5:49 pmHe can do things his way, it just makes it less likely he gets hired. Somewhere along the line when he settled and took on Nike it pivotted to add the Colin brand and getting paid. Everything he does is his prerogative. It sucks for the message which I thought was noble and was constantly staying in the public eye in an age where news never lasts more than two weeks. But how much can you blame someone for wanting to get theirs? He didn't ask to be martyr. Kneeling started as a token, something personal, as far as I know.
That sums it up. If you make getting hired about getting hired your way, you need to bring enough to the table to warrant getting hired your way.Kaepernick wanted to do it his way. The NFL wanted to do it its way.
Moving the workout was probably the right move. If the circumstances and conditions around the workout are accurate, it's hard to explain that as anything other than the NFL giving a token workout that they could use to justify no one signing him. Given that, the NFL's workout was probably worse than worthless. This way he can attract more attention, the public can see him, and it gives him some kind of a shot that one team breaks with the NFL and takes a chance on signing him.ImLawBoy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 6:44 pmActually, by all accounts the workout showed he does still have the physical talent to play QB. If he hadn't pulled this "stunt", though, there would be no evidence to prove that, so he'd likely be in at least as bad of a position as he is now.stimpy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 6:35 pmSince days have passed, it's becoming safe to assume that he indeed does not have it anymore.
He did it his way, under his own circumstances, and got nada out of it.
This proved he doesn't need the NFL to sabotage his "career". He's done a fine job of that on his own.
I think that's just announcer talk. He's been very good for a long time, but he's not been consistently a top 5 quarterback.
Yeah exactly. Being in the Hall of Fame ought to mean something more than being good.noxiousdog wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2019 2:16 pmI think that's just announcer talk. He's been very good for a long time, but he's not been consistently a top 5 quarterback.
Sid Luckman is in the HoF, even if his career stats are laughable compared with modern QBs. For the most part though, the franchise is incapable of developing a QB -- if the defense is anything less than total shutdown, they tend not to go far.
I don't buy it either...you need to be a Ritchie Incognito-class lunkhead to racially slur someone who might be a future teammate. I can't imagine any current players being outwardly racist...they did not get to where they are today through segregated systems.pr0ner wrote: ↑Thu Nov 21, 2019 6:55 pm Myles Garrett accused Mason Rudolph of using a racial slur against him prior to the helmet swinging brawl starting last week.
Rudolph categorically denies it.
The NFL did not buy the defense, either, as Garrett remains suspended indefinitely.
Also, if it's that easy to get you off your game into a murderous rage, expect to hear a lot of chatter if you ever play again. I certainly don't condone racist slurs, or any slurs for that matter, but they are an age old tactic in the NFL and one that most players learn to tune out. They wouldn't have put in the rule if it wasn't happening. Hopefully it happens less and eventually never. But it's never an excuse to attempt to cause injury.Jeff V wrote: ↑Thu Nov 21, 2019 9:55 pmI don't buy it either...you need to be a Ritchie Incognito-class lunkhead to racially slur someone who might be a future teammate. I can't imagine any current players being outwardly racist...they did not get to where they are today through segregated systems.pr0ner wrote: ↑Thu Nov 21, 2019 6:55 pm Myles Garrett accused Mason Rudolph of using a racial slur against him prior to the helmet swinging brawl starting last week.
Rudolph categorically denies it.
The NFL did not buy the defense, either, as Garrett remains suspended indefinitely.
It was an unnecessary defense too...not when he could claim his own helmet being pulled as well as an offensive move to the jewels as a trigger for his temporary insanity. Too bad, Fox Pregame Sunday said that Garrett is by all accounts a good guy.
It is interesting that none of Garrett's teammates report being told that he was called the slur either. They would seemingly have no reason to protect Rudolph. It seems to me like it would have come up had it happened, but who knows?Lorini wrote: ↑Fri Nov 22, 2019 2:28 pm Rudolph’s teammates will protect him and in any case being called a racial slur should not cause him to try to beat someone senseless. In my opinion he never should have even mentioned it because it’s not relevant. He has to be in control of himself and he wasn’t. My son was called a racial slur and spat on while riding a bus. Did he get up and slug the guy? No. He kept himself under control and had the guy thrown off the bus. Garrett should have run off the field and reported the slur.
Sorry, but this is a ridiculously uninformed statement.stimpy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 6:35 pmSince days have passed, it's becoming safe to assume that he indeed does not have it anymore.
He did it his way, under his own circumstances, and got nada out of it.
This proved he doesn't need the NFL to sabotage his "career". He's done a fine job of that on his own.
The NFL fined Pittsburgh Steelers quarterback Mason Rudolph $50,000 -- more than an entire game check -- for his role in last week's fight with Cleveland Browns defensive end Myles Garrett.
Rudolph, in the second year of his rookie deal, has a base salary of $658,267, which means his weekly check is $38,721.59. He has said that he'd accept any discipline from the NFL, but Rudolph can appeal to have the fine reduced under league rules if it is deemed "excessive when compared to the player's expected earnings for the season in question."
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"For my involvement last week, there's no acceptable excuse," Rudolph said in a prepared statement Wednesday. "The bottom line is I should've done a better job keeping my composure in that situation and [not] fall short of what I believe it means to be a Pittsburgh Steeler and a member of the NFL."
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Earlier in the week, appeals officer Derrick Brooks reduced the suspension of Steelers center Maurkice Pouncey from three games to two and upheld his $35,096 fine. Pouncey punched and kicked Garrett during the brawl.
Appeals officer James Thrash upheld the indefinite suspension for Garrett and a one-game ban for Browns defensive tackle Larry Ogunjobi, who shoved Rudolph in the back.
Pffft. The Lions lost to the Redskins. Thats ugly at its "finest". I wasn't in favor of firing the current GM/Coach combo until then. Now I just want them gone. Can we please have someone that is capable of building a real team here? Please? I miss the Big Buck.
He was supposed to be a defensive guru. In the past few weeks we have given up multiple TDs and nearly 300yards to Mitch Trubisky (I think it may be obvious how highly is is thought of here) and lost to the Redskins. If you watched the game I felt like the fact the Lions kept it close is a testiment to the fact that Haskins does not belong starting for an NFL team yet. He missed a large number of wide open receivers that would have led to some easy scores. Had he hit them it would have been a blow out. The Lions are, if not the worst, close to the worst D in the NFL. I really wanted Patricia to succeed but now he just needs to go away.
Tell that to all 25 NFL teams then.Kurth wrote: ↑Sat Nov 23, 2019 12:52 amSorry, but this is a ridiculously uninformed statement.stimpy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 6:35 pmSince days have passed, it's becoming safe to assume that he indeed does not have it anymore.
He did it his way, under his own circumstances, and got nada out of it.
This proved he doesn't need the NFL to sabotage his "career". He's done a fine job of that on his own.
They replaced Caldwell after back to back 9-7 seasons. You knew it was doomed to failure when they signed Patricia the day after he DC'd the Superbowl and was on the losing end of the highest combined yardage total in SB history. The Patriots had the highest losing score ever as well. Perfect Lions move.Remus West wrote: ↑Mon Nov 25, 2019 2:33 pmPffft. The Lions lost to the Redskins. Thats ugly at its "finest". I wasn't in favor of firing the current GM/Coach combo until then. Now I just want them gone. Can we please have someone that is capable of building a real team here? Please? I miss the Big Buck.
11-5, 7-9, 9-7, 9-7. Can't be having that.Wikipedia wrote:Caldwell's record as Lions coach was 36–28 (.563), making him the first Detroit head coach (who lasted at least one season) to have a winning record since Joe Schmidt, who led the team from 1967 to 1972. Caldwell's .563 winning percentage was the best for a Lions' head coach since Buddy Parker in the 1950s.