NFL 2019 - 20 Season with Playoffs

Jeff V · Post by **Jeff V** » Fri Nov 08, 2019 7:38 pm

Going for broke with Mack looked like a brilliant move a year ago, but Trubinsky's failure to develop will probably doom the team for another decade. But it's not just Trubinsky. It seems they expected anyone bearing the designation of RB would preform admirably in the offense, and Montgomery hasn't done that. They also lost a top-tier receiving tight end and haven't sufficiently replaced Zach Miller. They could use another top tier WR too, the ones they have aren't bad but they're not proven game-breakers either.

Jaymann · Post by **Jaymann** » Mon Nov 11, 2019 10:08 pm

Now that the Chargers and Rams are both out, I'm rooting for the 49ers (whom I will never forgive for destroying the Chargers in their lone super bowl) to go undefeated and win it all. Both to shut up the '72 Dolphins and force Brady to retire in despair.

Lorini · Post by **Lorini** » Tue Nov 12, 2019 1:09 am

Great MNF game, 'Hawks lucked out.

naednek · Post by **naednek** » Tue Nov 12, 2019 2:29 am

Lorini wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2019 1:09 am Great MNF game, 'Hawks lucked out.

meh they didn't get lucky, they capitalized on niner's mistakes. Like letting Russel get out of the box where he does his best work. And JimmyG throwing too high all game long. Don't blame the kicker as he is a rookie and put in a bad place.

Jaymann · Post by **Jaymann** » Tue Nov 12, 2019 3:26 am

That's what you get for beating my Chargers.

naednek · Post by **naednek** » Tue Nov 12, 2019 9:56 am

Jaymann wrote:That's what you get for beating my Chargers.

Well show up next time

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Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Wed Nov 13, 2019 4:44 pm

Jeff V wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 1:03 pm
Remus West wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 12:07 pm I expect it to be Trubisky's redemption game. He will light the Lions up and be again hailed as the savior the Bears have been looking for.
If he does, it's because I have the Loins DST starting this week. I also have Stafford starting as a bye week replacement for Watson.

Don't say I didn't warn you. Sorry I didn't notice this sooner or I'd have told you to grab literally any other DST.

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Wed Nov 13, 2019 4:55 pm

Remus West wrote: ↑Wed Nov 13, 2019 4:44 pm
Jeff V wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 1:03 pm
Remus West wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 12:07 pm I expect it to be Trubisky's redemption game. He will light the Lions up and be again hailed as the savior the Bears have been looking for.
If he does, it's because I have the Loins DST starting this week. I also have Stafford starting as a bye week replacement for Watson.
Don't say I didn't warn you. Sorry I didn't notice this sooner or I'd have told you to grab literally any other DST.

LordMortis wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 12:03 pm > Stafford will cease to play out of mind ....

I'm going to take that as close enough to say I warned everyone.

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Wed Nov 13, 2019 6:36 pm

Yahoo

It’s fair to be cynical about the entire story of the NFL suddenly springing an offer to Kaepernick of a pro-day style workout on Saturday in Atlanta. Part of that will be seeing all the NFL teams in attendance that could have reached out at any point to offer Kaepernick a private workout.

Dolphins coach Brian Flores said his team will be in Atlanta, making them the first team to publicly RSVP to the peculiar event. After that, Lions coach Matt Patricia said his team would be in attendance, and sources told Mike Fisher of 105.3 The Fan in Dallas that the Cowboys would attend.

Lorini · Post by **Lorini** » Wed Nov 13, 2019 6:50 pm

Almost has to be part of the settlement they came to.

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Wed Nov 13, 2019 7:41 pm

Lorini wrote: ↑Wed Nov 13, 2019 6:50 pm Almost has to be part of the settlement they came to.

Its been reported to definitively not be part of the settlement.

Jeff V · Post by **Jeff V** » Thu Nov 14, 2019 8:12 am

Remus West wrote: ↑Wed Nov 13, 2019 4:44 pm
Jeff V wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 1:03 pm
Remus West wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 12:07 pm I expect it to be Trubisky's redemption game. He will light the Lions up and be again hailed as the savior the Bears have been looking for.
If he does, it's because I have the Loins DST starting this week. I also have Stafford starting as a bye week replacement for Watson.
Don't say I didn't warn you. Sorry I didn't notice this sooner or I'd have told you to grab literally any other DST.

??? I got 35 points from the Lions. The Chargers (my other DST) put up 16 (last week they gave me 45). That wasn't the problem, the problem was I had to drop Stafford and pick up Hoyer when I could have just started my Shiatsu instead and saved the $5 transaction fee.

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Thu Nov 14, 2019 9:05 am

You got 35 points from that defense?! What the hell scoring system do you use where a crappy defensive outing is better than a good QB in a normal scoring system?

Jeff V · Post by **Jeff V** » Thu Nov 14, 2019 9:34 am

Remus West wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2019 9:05 am You got 35 points from that defense?! What the hell scoring system do you use where a crappy defensive outing is better than a good QB in a normal scoring system?

Every team starts with 60 points and generally goes down from there. 20 points for scoring, 20 points for passing defense and 20 points for rushing defense. Then you gain points for sacks, turnovers, and defense/ST touchdowns.

The Bears running game was shutdown, less than 100 yards total. Trubinsky was held to 173 yards passing and was sacked 4 times. Those are pretty good numbers, the Lions just did not stop them in the red zone. The points part of the DST equation gave me 0 on points, but 8 points for sacks and decent points for rushing and passing defense.

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Thu Nov 14, 2019 10:25 am

stessier wrote: ↑Wed Nov 13, 2019 7:41 pm
Lorini wrote: ↑Wed Nov 13, 2019 6:50 pm Almost has to be part of the settlement they came to.
Its been reported to definitively not be part of the settlement.

I'm trying to figure out the NFL's angle here. That they sprung this on Kaeperneck suddenly and have been completely inflexible on the details suggests that this isn't a real opportunity, or that the NFL is playing some kind of game. The most obvious one is just that they have this, no one makes an offer, and then the NFL can basically say "see? This was always about his inability to stick on an NFL roster". But I suppose it could also work out if he signed with, say, the Dolphins or the Jets, and then those teams continued to suck and make Kaeperneck look bad.

But the nightmare scenario for the NFL is that Kaeperneck signs with a good team and goes on a deep playoff run, right? Like he signs with the Colts (depending on Brissett's health) or the Jaguars or something and goes on a tear.

Jeff V · Post by **Jeff V** » Thu Nov 14, 2019 11:07 am

There's been speculation in the past few weeks that if the Bears aren't already interested, they ought to be. They are just a QB short of being able to go on such a tear.

Lorini · Post by **Lorini** » Thu Nov 14, 2019 11:37 am

Can we move the fantasy talk to the fantasy thread? Thanks

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Lorini · Post by **Lorini** » Thu Nov 14, 2019 11:37 am

stessier wrote: ↑Wed Nov 13, 2019 7:41 pm
Lorini wrote: ↑Wed Nov 13, 2019 6:50 pm Almost has to be part of the settlement they came to.
Its been reported to definitively not be part of the settlement.

Sounds crazy then. Why in the middle of the season? Thanks for the correction.

Lorini · Post by **Lorini** » Thu Nov 14, 2019 11:39 am

El Guapo wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2019 10:25 am
stessier wrote: ↑Wed Nov 13, 2019 7:41 pm
Lorini wrote: ↑Wed Nov 13, 2019 6:50 pm Almost has to be part of the settlement they came to.
Its been reported to definitively not be part of the settlement.
I'm trying to figure out the NFL's angle here. That they sprung this on Kaeperneck suddenly and have been completely inflexible on the details suggests that this isn't a real opportunity, or that the NFL is playing some kind of game. The most obvious one is just that they have this, no one makes an offer, and then the NFL can basically say "see? This was always about his inability to stick on an NFL roster". But I suppose it could also work out if he signed with, say, the Dolphins or the Jets, and then those teams continued to suck and make Kaeperneck look bad.

But the nightmare scenario for the NFL is that Kaeperneck signs with a good team and goes on a deep playoff run, right? Like he signs with the Colts (depending on Brissett's health) or the Jaguars or something and goes on a tear.

Because of him there's been a good change in the presentation of the players. We now see commercials showing the community work the players do, as well as the celebration of veterans of the various wars we've been in. So I don't know why they'd continue to hate them, an ego thing I guess.

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Thu Nov 14, 2019 12:00 pm

Lorini wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2019 11:37 am
stessier wrote: ↑Wed Nov 13, 2019 7:41 pm
Lorini wrote: ↑Wed Nov 13, 2019 6:50 pm Almost has to be part of the settlement they came to.
Its been reported to definitively not be part of the settlement.
Sounds crazy then. Why in the middle of the season? Thanks for the correction.

As El Guapo noted, that is the million dollar question. None of it makes any sense. Beyond politics, why wouldn't someone like the Dolphins sign him for the rest of the season? It would probably come down to the contract and how much he wants - if he's willing to take back up money on a prove it deal, it would be hard to say no imo.

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Thu Nov 14, 2019 12:38 pm

stessier wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2019 12:00 pm
Lorini wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2019 11:37 am
stessier wrote: ↑Wed Nov 13, 2019 7:41 pm
Lorini wrote: ↑Wed Nov 13, 2019 6:50 pm Almost has to be part of the settlement they came to.
Its been reported to definitively not be part of the settlement.
Sounds crazy then. Why in the middle of the season? Thanks for the correction.
As El Guapo noted, that is the million dollar question. None of it makes any sense. Beyond politics, why wouldn't someone like the Dolphins sign him for the rest of the season? It would probably come down to the contract and how much he wants - if he's willing to take back up money on a prove it deal, it would be hard to say no imo.

I could see why the Dolphins wouldn't sign him, because they're pretty openly tanking. It's the mid-level teams that could use an upgrade in QB play that I would think would be a natural fit. I mentioned the Colts, but I would think a team like the Broncos would make a fiar amount of sense too.

Post by **ImLawBoy** » Thu Nov 14, 2019 12:52 pm

It would make great sense for the Bears, with the caveat that Kap can still play at a high level. He seems like the type of QB that the Bears were hoping Trubisky would be (did I mention the Bears used three draft pick to trade up one slot for Trubisky when Mahomes and Watson were still on the board?). I know they're still trying to work with Trubisky, but the Bears have a short window here when the defense is likely to be championship caliber. Having Kap ready to go for Trubisky's next disaster would be a good idea. Heck, the Bears don't even have to worry about winning too much hurting their draft stock since they traded away most of their draft picks for Trubisky and Mack.

pr0ner · Post by **pr0ner** » Fri Nov 15, 2019 1:08 am

I would be okay if Myles Garrett never plays in the NFL ever again after tonight.

msteelers · Post by **msteelers** » Fri Nov 15, 2019 8:06 am

pr0ner wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 1:08 am I would be okay if Myles Garrett never plays in the NFL ever again after tonight.

I fell asleep watching last night, and missed it live. I woke up to a replay of Pouncey punching and kicking a Browns player in the head and was profoundly embarrassed. It wasn't until later that I saw the video of Garrett ripping Rudolph's head off and bashing him in the head with it which started the brawl.

paulbaxter · Post by **paulbaxter** » Fri Nov 15, 2019 8:58 am

I just happened to turn that game on at the very end. Good lord.

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Fri Nov 15, 2019 9:57 am

Rudolph tried to rip Garrett's helmet off first. Garrett was just better at it.

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Fri Nov 15, 2019 10:00 am

Reading about it on ESPN doesn't do it justice. The video is insane. Garrett completely lost his mind. He has to be gone for the rest of the year. I'd imagine Pouncy gets 2 games and the other guy who was on top of Garrett gets 1. I bet Mason gets fined for trying to pull Garrett's helmet off at the start.

McNutt · Post by **McNutt** » Fri Nov 15, 2019 10:49 am

At least the season. I can also see this suspension going into next season - a full 16 games. This is the worst thing since Marty McSorley hit Donald Brashear in the head with his stick. In both cases it was a guy who just snapped and lost his mind. It ended McSorley's career. Garrett will certainly have a future in the NFL, but he's going to be watching a lot of it on TV for the near future. The NFL is going to shut that crap down as this is the worst image they could have right now, and on a Thursday night game to boot.

LawBeefaroni · Post by **LawBeefaroni** » Fri Nov 15, 2019 11:02 am

He used a helmet as a weapon against a player without a helmet. That is about as bad as it gets. Goodbye.

Fretmute · Post by **Fretmute** » Fri Nov 15, 2019 11:18 am

McNutt wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 10:49 amThis is the worst thing since Marty McSorley hit Donald Brashear in the head with his stick. In both cases it was a guy who just snapped and lost his mind. It ended McSorley's career.

It also got him convicted of assault!

McNutt · Post by **McNutt** » Fri Nov 15, 2019 11:52 am

Yep. In the locker room McSorely was completely stunned that he actually did that.

What makes the Garrett assault worse is that only a few weeks ago Rudolph had a very nasty concussion that was scary to watch. Now that same guy is back on the field and being hit in the head with his own helmet. Madness.

msteelers · Post by **msteelers** » Fri Nov 15, 2019 12:29 pm

Isgrimnur wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 9:57 am

Rudolph tried to rip Garrett's helmet off first. Garrett was just better at it.

I assume that is the Cleveland radio crew since it's not the Steelers radio guys and it's not Westwood One. I love how they gloss over Garrett through that clip.

naednek · Post by **naednek** » Fri Nov 15, 2019 12:51 pm

msteelers wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 8:06 am
pr0ner wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 1:08 am I would be okay if Myles Garrett never plays in the NFL ever again after tonight.
I fell asleep watching last night, and missed it live. I woke up to a replay of Pouncey punching and kicking a Browns player in the head and was profoundly embarrassed. It wasn't until later that I saw the video of Garrett ripping Rudolph's head off and bashing him in the head with it which started the brawl.

Well the brawl actually started when Rudolph started going after Garrett after being hit late. You can see Rudolph trying to rip his helmet off but couldn't. Garrett then went beast mode.

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Fri Nov 15, 2019 12:54 pm

naednek wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 12:51 pm Well the brawl actually started when Rudolph started going after Garrett after being hit late. You can see Rudolph trying to rip his helmet off but couldn't. Garrett then went beast mode.

A half step after he threw the ball. It wasn't the late hit, it was that he wrapped him up, didn't let go, and took him to the ground after the ball was gone.

naednek · Post by **naednek** » Fri Nov 15, 2019 12:55 pm

sorry didn't see ISG's post.

At this spot from the longer video coverage you can see Rudolph going for the helmet.

naednek · Post by **naednek** » Fri Nov 15, 2019 12:57 pm

Isgrimnur wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 12:54 pm
naednek wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 12:51 pm Well the brawl actually started when Rudolph started going after Garrett after being hit late. You can see Rudolph trying to rip his helmet off but couldn't. Garrett then went beast mode.
A half step after he threw the ball. It wasn't the late hit, it was that he wrapped him up, didn't let go, and took him to the ground after the ball was gone.

you're right, wasn't a late hit.

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Fri Nov 15, 2019 12:59 pm

Skinypupy · Post by **Skinypupy** » Fri Nov 15, 2019 1:14 pm

Catching up on this incident this morning. Good lord.

Garrett is on "indefinite suspension" for now. I'd be perfectly fine if he gets booted from the league forever.

Naednek's link is dead, but this one is up (for now).

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Fri Nov 15, 2019 1:18 pm

My video has that at 0:16.

msteelers · Post by **msteelers** » Fri Nov 15, 2019 1:25 pm

I’m sure the NFL will work behind the scenes to make sure this doesn’t happen, but there’s talk from the Steelers and Rudolph’s camp of criminal charges.