Immigration Policy

[Defiant]

It took me a few minutes to realize that the coat came with that message originally (not like it was put on afterwards). Still, that is literally unbelievably tone deaf (to the extent that I had to check like half a dozen credible news sources to verify that it wasn't fake news).

[Smoove_B]

How the hell are we not in a simulation? She's either playing 37 dimensional chess or somehow taking a shot at anyone that claims they care but isn't really don't anything (i.e. thoughts and prayers for the kids that are behind bars).

But yeah, remember that time Obama wore a tan suit? Jesus H. Christ.

[Fretmute]

How is that not a statement? Either she is a complete idiot or she is just as cruel as the rest of these people.

[Holman]

She was a fashion model. It's hard to believe that she doesn't think about how fashion works, and it's clear that she doesn't just blindly pluck the first outfit off the first hanger in her closet. (This would also suggest that her handlers aren't secretly in the pay of Stephen Miller. Surely she checks her look herself before going into public.)

Still, given the issue and that she has never given intentional offense before, I have to assume that this was a stupid message misfire rather than an insult to suffering children.

Weird, though.

[Defiant]

How is that not a statement?

Well, they said "There was no hidden message", and to be fair it isn't hidden.

[LordMortis]

She was a fashion model. It's hard to believe that she doesn't think about how fashion works, and it's clear that she doesn't just blindly pluck the first outfit off the first hanger in her closet.

Under normal circumstances her choice is a paradoxical but exact statement rejecting that expectation. The problem is that pretty much every time she needs to tell media off with "I'm not here to make a fashion statement for your approval" is the time where that exact paradox statement crosses boundaries in to "you can't do that."

I potentially feel for her but then I also marvel at how tone deaf that is. I can't imagine she ever wanted to be first lady or even in the public eye as a political piece on the chess board. She likely wanted a lifestyle and found a meal ticket and now is high society piece of human property. You know the kind of ethics we don't want crossing the borders through MI-13 or whatever the gang is the president has declared as the biggest threat to AMERICA.

[Defiant]

I'm waiting to see how Trump supporters will defend this tone deafness. "What message? There is no message - that's fake news! Also, it's not white and tan, it's blue and black!"

[Skinypupy]

Of course it's deliberate. Why the hell else would she be wearing a coat, in Texas, in late June?

[Defiant]

Of course it's deliberate. Why the hell else would she be wearing a coat, in Texas, in late June?

Actually, I think this was worn going to the airport to fly to Texas (dunno what the weather was like where she was beforehand, though).

[Fretmute]

Of course it's deliberate. Why the hell else would she be wearing a coat, in Texas, in late June?

I was going to mention this, but I looked into it, and McAllen is shockingly temperate for Texas. Of course, that means that it’s 85 and humid instead of 95 and humid, but it could be worse!

[Skinypupy]

Ah, my mistake. Still...dick move.

[Captain Caveman]

I guess I could see it as deliberate as an effort to deflect some media attention away from the "putting babies in cages" story. They can easily say Melania didn't do it on purpose and look at you awful, awful media for bullying the first lady when she's only trying to do something important to help. Shame on you media! Shame on you!

[Holman]

Right. As soon as someone criticizes Melania using rude language, Tucker Carlson has his lead story.

[YellowKing]

Especially weird since Melania is the one element of the Trump circle that people actually have sympathy for (besides Bannon who we never see). Seems like a great way to torpedo that goodwill, unintentional or not.

[hepcat]

I'm waiting to see how Trump supporters will defend this tone deafness. "What message? There is no message - that's fake news! Also, it's not white and tan, it's blue and black!"

As you allude to, I find it amazing that conservatives had a shit fit when Obama wore a tan suit...but Trump's wife wearing a jacket that essentially tells children torn from their parents that she doesn't give a crap will get a pass.

When this country does (fingers crossed) return to sanity, conservatives won't have a leg to stand on. Any possible complaint they could make about a Dem (or other) president will result in a smug presentation of Trump or his white trash clan doing something even worse.

[LordMortis]

Of course it's deliberate. Why the hell else would she be wearing a coat, in Texas, in late June?

I was going to mention this, but I looked into it, and McAllen is shockingly temperate for Texas. Of course, that means that it’s 85 and humid instead of 95 and humid, but it could be worse!

Part of her trip was cancelled due to flooding

https://chicago.suntimes.com/immigratio ... co-border/

And just like with the high heels she was lambasted for before she got on a plane

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-44570688

Mrs Trump was not seen wearing the green khaki jacket when she first arrived in Texas.

Instead she wore a cream-coloured jacket as she exited the plane still wearing the same white jeans and Adidas sneakers.

To me everything to points at this being a message to the media, with a very poor sense of how that message will be conflated with her efforts to understand the needs of the citizens and those who sacrificing all to run away from something with the hope they are running to something as well.

[Smoove_B]

Has anyone talked about getting this guy a statue yet?

We are now representing whistleblowers within ICE, outside contractors, etc. They have reached out to us to provide us with info as to what is really going on. We are going to blow this wide open and take the info to the American people so they can decide what happens next.

[Captain Caveman]

I guess I could see it as deliberate as an effort to deflect some media attention away from the "putting babies in cages" story. They can easily say Melania didn't do it on purpose and look at you awful, awful media for bullying the first lady when she's only trying to do something important to help. Shame on you media! Shame on you!

Yep.


https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/sta ... 51009?s=21

I thought there was no hidden message? Guess he’s hoping this drives some media coverage instead of the babies lost to their mothers.

[LordMortis]

Yep.

Nope.

It was bad judgement IMO, but you guys are shaping yourselves into what you hate. She doesn't want to be judged by you for what she wears while getting on a plane and the Internet collectively screams "tan suit tan suit." Well, Obama is not sitting in the office right now. Michelle is not FLOTUS right now. And Hillary was never elected. Get over it and look at what is happening now.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/29/fash ... texas.html


And on the other hand I really want to know what Avenatti is up to. He's been nothing short of reliable, and our snake to date.

[Captain Caveman]

Whether intentional or not, it was inevitable that Trump would use it in this way. I just hope people don't take the bait and stay focused on what matters.

[gilraen]

She was a fashion model. It's hard to believe that she doesn't think about how fashion works, and it's clear that she doesn't just blindly pluck the first outfit off the first hanger in her closet. (This would also suggest that her handlers aren't secretly in the pay of Stephen Miller. Surely she checks her look herself before going into public.)

Still, given the issue and that she has never given intentional offense before, I have to assume that this was a stupid message misfire rather than an insult to suffering children.

Weird, though.

The fact that she's even wearing a $39 jacket, when she's never been photographed in any clothing costing less than a month's rent, is weird. I mean, did she buy it deliberately, just for an occasion like this?

[Formix]

Is Avenatti an OO'er? He did say he was going to blow this wide open. I will patiently await the kriminal sopina.

[Captain Caveman]

FYI, she was still wearing it 45 minutes ago when she landed back in DC and returned to the White House. This is while the media coverage about it had been ongoing for several hours, and even after Trump had tweeted about it. So it definitely seems pretty intentional, if not at the beginning, at least now.

[Holman]

Trump's tweet smacks of sweaty improvisation. "Sure my wife visited a humanitarian crisis in her I DON'T GIVE A SHIT t-shirt, but that was about hating the media!"

Such weird optics. Why would she choose this event to send THAT message?

And, of course, if Melania really wanted to send the message that she is on Trump's side against his critics (rather than shunning him after the year's third or fourth new revelation of infidelity), she has plenty of opportunities to do so directly.

[Isgrimnur]

Crisis actor spotted at Texas child migrant detention center

[YellowKing]

That FAKE NEWS narrative drives me up the fucking wall.

Nobody on the conservative side - NOBODY - was accusing mainstream media of being fake or peddling lies pre-Trump, with some isolated exceptions. Namely shootings, but that was more from a "this was a staged event" angle and not that the news itself was lying. And of course liberal *bias* was a tried and true concept, but it wasn't falsehoods.

The fact that the right-wing has latched on to this narrative whole cloth is disgusting. Not only is it completely illogical for a variety of reasons, but it's such a transparent, laughably stupid attempt to deflect their own guilt that it would be comical if it wasn't so tragic.

People who believe mainstream media is "fake" are total complete fucking idiots and not living in reality. Fuck Trump for trying to gaslight people in that way and fuck all the morons who fall for it. Goddammit it pisses me off that people can be so stupid. And their stupidity affects me and my family.

[Holman]

Trump has done a masterful job of re-purposing the "Fake News" label to attack anything critical of his administration.

When it started, the phrase referred to literal fake news: urban myths or even outright propaganda appearing online as if it were being reported by legitimate news sources. We've all seen it in the margins (as ads over which they have no control) of more respectable news and political discussion sites. ("HILLARY HAS SEIZURE MID-SPEECH!" "MUSLIM RIOTERS STORM SMALL-TOWN USA CITY HALL!") A lot of this stuff in 2016 was sourced by Russians in their attack on our democracy.

How many even remember when the term didn't belong to Trump?

[Kraken]

Trump's tweet smacks of sweaty improvisation. "Sure my wife visited a humanitarian crisis in her I DON'T GIVE A SHIT t-shirt, but that was about hating the media!"

Such weird optics. Why would she choose this event to send THAT message?

And, of course, if Melania really wanted to send the message that she is on Trump's side against his critics (rather than shunning him after the year's third or fourth new revelation of infidelity), she has plenty of opportunities to do so directly.

I really can't figure out her intention. Maybe it's just a meta-joke about the jacket itself, or about her own unwilling celebrity, or about the role of the First Lady having a cause. I don't know and have decided not to care. I'm with Melania.

[Daehawk]

People have really killed Hilary over the years for standing by Bill for his infidelity so why aren't those same fools all over this idiot Melania?

[YellowKing]

Better yet, why are all the conservatives who tried to impeach Clinton over a blowjob in full support of a guy who cheated and paid off multiple women including a porn star?

No Republican ever has the right to say anything about anything ever again.

[Rip]

Better yet, why are all the conservatives who tried to impeach Clinton over a blowjob in full support of a guy who cheated and paid off multiple women including a porn star?

No Republican ever has the right to say anything about anything ever again.

I don't think it was so much having an affair as taking advantage of a teenage intern. Then of course there is the numerous sexual assault accusations.

[Smoove_B]

I don't think it was so much having an affair as taking advantage of a teenage intern.

She was 22. I'm not saying it was right, I'm just pointing out she wasn't a "teenager". Perhaps you're thinking of Roy Moore?

[Unagi]

Better yet, why are all the conservatives who tried to impeach Clinton over a blowjob in full support of a guy who cheated and paid off multiple women including a porn star?

No Republican ever has the right to say anything about anything ever again.

I don't think it was so much having an affair as taking advantage of a teenage intern. Then of course there is the numerous sexual assault accusations.

Teenage?

[GungHo]

Better yet, why are all the conservatives who tried to impeach Clinton over a blowjob in full support of a guy who cheated and paid off multiple women including a porn star?

No Republican ever has the right to say anything about anything ever again.

I don't think it was so much having an affair as taking advantage of a teenage intern. Then of course there is the numerous sexual assault accusations.

As someone who was all for Clinton's impeachment I can definitely say it wasn't for having an affair or even taking advantage of an intern(let's be honest, powerful men behaving badly wasn't really a 'thing' in the 90s) it was solely for perjury. Which in Clinton's case was a felony....good enough for me. His infidelity OTOH was enough for me to never vote for the dude

[Unagi]

Trump's tweet smacks of sweaty improvisation. "Sure my wife visited a humanitarian crisis in her I DON'T GIVE A SHIT t-shirt, but that was about hating the media!"

Such weird optics. Why would she choose this event to send THAT message?

And, of course, if Melania really wanted to send the message that she is on Trump's side against his critics (rather than shunning him after the year's third or fourth new revelation of infidelity), she has plenty of opportunities to do so directly.

I really can't figure out her intention. Maybe it's just a meta-joke about the jacket itself, or about her own unwilling celebrity, or about the role of the First Lady having a cause. I don't know and have decided not to care. I'm with Melania.

This isn't the jacket an adult woman would normally wear at all, let alone the FLOTUS.... while trying to make it look like her husband's administration has an ounce of sympathy for anything.

I can't figure it out at all.

[Zarathud]

Perhaps she's telling Donald that she's not his dancing monkey.

[Kraken]

Perhaps she's telling Donald that she's not his dancing monkey.

That thought occurred to me, too. She was going through the motions under protest, because that's what First Ladies are expected to do. Do you care if she went there or not? She didn't sign up for this crap.

Maybe. Whatever the explanation, I don't think it's as simple as either side wants it to be, and she'll never say. Well, not until she writes a memoir when this is all over.

[Daehawk]

Im sure Trump got the extended warranty when he bought her so she will be doing his bidding until she goes insane or he runs out of money.

[hepcat]

Better yet, why are all the conservatives who tried to impeach Clinton over a blowjob in full support of a guy who cheated and paid off multiple women including a porn star?

No Republican ever has the right to say anything about anything ever again.

I don't think it was so much having an affair as taking advantage of a teenage intern. Then of course there is the numerous sexual assault accusations.

Teenage?

Rip just makes crap up when he runs out of rebuttals. It’s a Trumpy’s thing.

[Rip]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... s-out.html

Now, Hernandez says that his wife and daughter were never separated by Border Patrol agents and that they remain together.

Hernandez also told the Daily Mail that he did not support his wife Sandra’s decision to leave their home and travel through dangerous conditions to seek political asylum in the U.S.: “I didn’t support it. I asked her, why? Why would she want to put our little girl through that? But it was her decision at the end of the day.

“I don’t have any resentment for my wife, but I do think it was irresponsible of her to take the baby with her in her arms because we don’t know what could happen,” he told the Daily Mail.

He said she had talked about going to the United States for a “better future” but she did not say she had made the decision to take the 1,800-mile trip — paying a “coyote” smuggler $6,000 to take them.

When Sandra left on her journey with Yanela, she left Hernandez behind with three other children — Wesly (14), Cindy (11), and Brianna (6).

Though he said she had planned to apply for political asylum, Hernandez did not mention any political persecution that might have justified the claim.

He also said that he was employed: “I thank God that I have a good job here.”

So it seems the mother and daughter were never separated. They were picked up crossing the Rio Grande, so did not attempt to properly apply for asylum. On top of that they don't even come close to asylum requirements.