The Former Trump Presidency Thread

hepcat · Post by **hepcat** » Tue Aug 18, 2020 10:23 am

I honestly thought it was going to be Richard Kimble. The Fugitive was on TV last night.

Kraken · Post by **Kraken** » Tue Aug 18, 2020 10:23 am

OK, I thought that "Susan B Anthony" was a joke that I didn't get. Had to look it up to see that it's for real.

Ralph-Wiggum · Post by **Ralph-Wiggum** » Tue Aug 18, 2020 10:26 am

He's definitely getting the suburban housewife vote now! But I am a bit confused: I thought he was anti-illegal voting?

Zaxxon · Post by **Zaxxon** » Tue Aug 18, 2020 10:26 am

Kraken wrote: ↑Tue Aug 18, 2020 10:23 am OK, I thought that "Susan B Anthony" was a joke that I didn't get. Had to look it up to see that it's for real.

Same.

TheMix · Post by **TheMix** » Tue Aug 18, 2020 10:40 am

Kraken wrote: ↑Tue Aug 18, 2020 10:23 am OK, I thought that "Susan B Anthony" was a joke that I didn't get. Had to look it up to see that it's for real.

Ditto. I had to have gilraen explain it to me.

So... he pardoned someone that voted illegally? One of the main things that he harps on the most?

pr0ner · Post by **pr0ner** » Tue Aug 18, 2020 10:41 am

hepcat wrote: ↑Tue Aug 18, 2020 10:23 am I honestly thought it was going to be Richard Kimble. The Fugitive was on TV last night.

Nah, he would have pardoned the One Armed Man.

LawBeefaroni · Post by **LawBeefaroni** » Tue Aug 18, 2020 10:42 am

TheMix wrote: ↑Tue Aug 18, 2020 10:40 am
Kraken wrote: ↑Tue Aug 18, 2020 10:23 am OK, I thought that "Susan B Anthony" was a joke that I didn't get. Had to look it up to see that it's for real.
Ditto. I had to have gilraen explain it to me.

So... he pardoned someone that voted illegally? One of the main things that he harps on the most?

“The whole secret lies in confusing the enemy, so that he cannot fathom our real intent.” ― Sun Tzu.

hepcat · Post by **hepcat** » Tue Aug 18, 2020 10:42 am

They made a picture book of Art of War?

LawBeefaroni · Post by **LawBeefaroni** » Tue Aug 18, 2020 10:45 am

hepcat wrote: ↑Tue Aug 18, 2020 10:42 am They made a picture book of Art of War?

Trump isn't the general, he's the confusion.

Skinypupy · Post by **Skinypupy** » Tue Aug 18, 2020 10:51 am

I would love for someone to ask him who Susan B Anthony is and why he felt she deserved a pardon. I'd bet my house he has no idea at all.

Oh, and this:

Susan B. Anthony did not want to be pardoned. She was very pointed about this. Not until all women had full equality (which we still don’t have).

She said instead she would “urge all women to... the old revolutionary maxim that ‘Resistance to tyranny is obedience to God.’”

Trump even pointed out that she never put her name forward for pardon even when she did for other women BECAUSE SHE DIDN’T WANT TO BE.

Unsurprisingly, Trump is putting on a show to pretend he cares about women but doesn’t give a shit about what women really want.

TheMix · Post by **TheMix** » Tue Aug 18, 2020 10:53 am

Okay. Now it makes sense. Him going against the wishes of a woman. Or disdainfully ignoring the wishes of a woman. That's right on target for him.

hepcat · Post by **hepcat** » Tue Aug 18, 2020 12:02 pm

Folks should just respond, "Couldn't see your way to clemency for her, eh?"

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Tue Aug 18, 2020 12:52 pm

Well that was stupid and disappointing. He really could have thrown something juicy out. Surely the media will just shrug it off and not let him take us on an adventure of stupidity right?

Narrator: They spent the next four days talking about it.

YellowKing · Post by **YellowKing** » Wed Aug 19, 2020 9:52 am

Politico has a great piece on prominent Never-Trumper Stuart Stevens and his book/views on the current Republican party. It's so chock full of good quotes I just had to share. A few of my favorites below:

"“Why does the Republican Party exist today? It exists to beat Democrats. That’s not a political party. That’s a cartel.”

"Four years ago, 90 percent of Republicans would say personal responsibility, character counts, strong on Russia, fiscal sanity, legal immigration, free trade. But now the party’s 100 percent against all these things. We’re left of Bernie Sanders on trade. We’re way to his left on Russia; Bernie may have honeymooned in Russia, but he didn’t marry Putin."

"How does the party that’s supposed to be for family values stand by while the president, the head of the Republican Party, wishes a woman well who’s just been arrested for being at the center of an international child rape ring?"

"The inability to imagine Trump has always been his greatest advantage. Normal people expect people who are acting abnormally to revert to normality. Trump understands that and he’s not a normal person. With the United States government, you’ve given Tony Soprano the paving contract and you’re acting shocked that he doesn’t seem interested in getting the road paved."

That article should be required reading for any Republican voter.

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Wed Aug 19, 2020 10:00 am

YellowKing wrote: ↑Wed Aug 19, 2020 9:52 amThat article should be required reading for any Republican voter.

The problem in a nutshell is it won't change a thing even if they did bother to read it. The plaster is set. You can only break it into pieces now.

YellowKing · Post by **YellowKing** » Wed Aug 19, 2020 10:08 am

Yeah, but you have to start somewhere. I broke out of the Republican cult due to constant self-reflection on what the party stood for vs my own morals.

Carpet_pissr · Post by **Carpet_pissr** » Wed Aug 19, 2020 11:14 am

YellowKing wrote: ↑Wed Aug 19, 2020 10:08 am Yeah, but you have to start somewhere. I broke out of the Republican cult due to constant self-reflection on what the party stood for vs my own morals.

I think "constant self-reflection" is not a stereotypical hardcore Republican trait, much less Trumpublican. Also, I think it's past time we separate Trumpians from traditional GOP establishment Republicans, as they are quite different. I think we will see an even greater separation between the two no matter what happens in November. I also think we are witnessing the extinction of the GOP. Some say that should Trump lose, the party will magically snap back to its more typical positions, and say "whew, glad that's over! Back to what we were doing before Trump" I don't buy that at all.

IIRC, you were very much of the old school GOP, not Tea Party/populist/Trumpster, correct?

YellowKing · Post by **YellowKing** » Wed Aug 19, 2020 11:36 am

Carpet_pissr wrote:IIRC, you were very much of the old school GOP, not Tea Party/populist/Trumpster, correct?

Yes, I grew up under Reagan so I was very much a small government, fiscal responsibility, strong military conservative. I actually tended to disagree with Republican social ideology - never gave much thought about gun rights or Christian values.

Jaymann · Post by **Jaymann** » Thu Aug 20, 2020 9:01 pm

What does Trump have against Goodyear?

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Thu Aug 20, 2020 9:11 pm

Carpet_pissr wrote: ↑Wed Aug 19, 2020 11:14 am I also think we are witnessing the extinction of the GOP. Some say that should Trump lose, the party will magically snap back to its more typical positions, and say "whew, glad that's over! Back to what we were doing before Trump" I don't buy that at all.

Yeah they're this way because they encouraged this because it was their path to power. Unfortunately the runway is running out which is why the desperation has set in and made them extremely dangerous. Even if they can't say win the WH going forward for some period of time the counter-majoritarian features of the system are going to make this a long slow slog while the world potentially faces increasing challenges. The outlook is bleak even if Biden wins.

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Thu Aug 20, 2020 9:15 pm

Jaymann wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 9:01 pm What does Trump have against Goodyear?

AP News

President Donald Trump on Wednesday urged people to boycott tires from Goodyear Tire and Rubber Co., tweeting that the Ohio-based company had “announced a BAN ON MAGA HATS.”

But the company didn’t announce such a specific ban, only that it asks employees to refrain from workplace expressions involving political campaigns and “forms of advocacy that fall outside the scope of racial justice and equity issues.” “Make America Great Again,” or “MAGA,” is a Trump campaign slogan.

Trump’s tweet immediately sent the company’s stock downward. The stock trimmed its losses in the afternoon before closing down about 2.4% for the day.

“Get better tires for far less! (This is what the Radical Left Democrats do. Two can play the same game, and we have to start playing it now!),” Trump tweeted.

Trump’s tweet followed a report from WIBW television station in Topeka, Kansas, based on an anonymous Goodyear employee’s screenshot that listed Black Lives Matter and Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgender Pride messages as acceptable while politically affiliated slogans and material, including “MAGA Attire” and “Blue Lives Matter,” in support of police, were listed as unacceptable. The screenshot was described in the report as part of the company’s diversity training.
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Goodyear responded to Trump with a tweet of its own, saying that the company was the focus of a conversation that “created some misconceptions about our policies and our company. Goodyear has always wholeheartedly supported both equality and law enforcement and will continue to do so.”

The company said the material captured in the screenshot was not created or distributed by the company’s corporate offices or part of a diversity training class. It also stressed that it does ask its workers to “refrain from workplace expressions in support of political campaigning for any candidate or political party, as well as similar forms of advocacy that fall outside the scope of racial justice and equity issues.”

Jaymann · Post by **Jaymann** » Thu Aug 20, 2020 9:23 pm

At last, a Socialist tire! I'm all in.

hepcat · Post by **hepcat** » Thu Aug 20, 2020 9:49 pm

“You can say ‘down with racism’ but I can’t scream ‘Trump 2020!’ during my coffee break!!??

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Thu Aug 20, 2020 9:53 pm

Jaymann wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 9:23 pm At last, a Socialist tire! I'm all in.

Of course! Don't you watch NASCAR? All they do is turn left.

Kraken · Post by **Kraken** » Thu Aug 20, 2020 11:28 pm

Jaymann wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 9:01 pm What does Trump have against Goodyear?

Blimps offend him.

Carpet_pissr · Post by **Carpet_pissr** » Fri Aug 21, 2020 2:05 pm

Isgrimnur wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 9:53 pm
Jaymann wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 9:23 pm At last, a Socialist tire! I'm all in.
Of course! Don't you watch NASCAR? All they do is turn left.

BraVO, sir!

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Fri Aug 21, 2020 2:33 pm

Combustible Lemur · Post by **Combustible Lemur** » Fri Aug 21, 2020 2:39 pm

Carpet_pissr wrote:
YellowKing wrote: ↑Wed Aug 19, 2020 10:08 am Also, I think it's past time we separate Trumpians from traditional GOP establishment Republicans, as they are quite different. ?
I know i tend to drive by on this sentiment but its because it drives me crazy. I dont think they are different at ALL. Trump is an idiot psychopath but hes not that different from republicanism.
The drug war was a racist and "moral" war waged by traditional republicanism.
Union busting is traditional republicanism.
Regime change(iraq) , imperialism(vietnam) , and big stick diplomacy(iran) is traditional republicanism.
Weirdly, isolationism(rural pandering) is also traditional republicanism.
Anti antintellectualism is traditional Republicanisn (since the southern strategy).
Personal repression is traditional conservatism.
Laisse faire is traditional republicanism.
Trump just doesnt pretend like he cares about the whole country.
It why i left conservatism as soon as i was an adult, the values and stated intentions are bullshit.

I may missing details but the idea of the rugged libertarian GOP is a myth propogated by powerful people wedding puritanism to capitalism to create a base that SHOULD be diametrically opposed to itself.

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Holman · Post by **Holman** » Fri Aug 21, 2020 2:50 pm

Jaymann wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 9:01 pm What does Trump have against Goodyear?

Maybe he hates that it's the only major American-owned tire brand?

Or perhaps he hates that it's based in Ohio, a state he won in 2016 but is now a toss-up?

8-dimensional chess. We'll probably never really understand it.

Zarathud · Post by **Zarathud** » Fri Aug 21, 2020 5:17 pm

Combustible Lemur wrote:I may missing details but the idea of the rugged libertarian GOP is a myth propogated by powerful people wedding puritanism to capitalism to create a base that SHOULD be diametrically opposed to itself.

You’re missing a name — the myth was deliberately created by the Koch brothers.

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Fri Aug 21, 2020 5:22 pm

2020 is really a boom year for people cutting anti-Trump videos.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Fri Aug 21, 2020 5:46 pm

Wow. Yeah. That’s a good one

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Fri Aug 21, 2020 7:48 pm

Zarathud wrote: ↑Fri Aug 21, 2020 5:17 pm
Combustible Lemur wrote:I may missing details but the idea of the rugged libertarian GOP is a myth propogated by powerful people wedding puritanism to capitalism to create a base that SHOULD be diametrically opposed to itself.
You’re missing a name — the myth was deliberately created by the Koch brothers.

It goes back farther than that. The John Birch Society set itself up as the first right-wing cult to reach into white suburbia (when suburbia was new), and then William F. Buckley and the "movement conservatives" of the 1950s and 60s set themselves to rehabilitating that cult into something palatable to the upper echelons of American business.

When the Christian Right came along to politicize evangelicalism in the 1970s, the whole thing came together. It did so in direct reaction to the Civil Rights movement and the expansion of American identity beyond racist nativism.

For all his bitter evil and all his criminality, the last Republican who wasn't a champion of white Christian nationalism was Richard Nixon. Ronald Reagan usually gets a pass because of his sunny disposition, but he's the one who set the GOP on the path to Trump.

Carpet_pissr · Post by **Carpet_pissr** » Fri Aug 21, 2020 9:04 pm

Holman wrote: ↑Fri Aug 21, 2020 7:48 pm Ronald Reagan usually gets a pass because of his sunny disposition, but he's the one who set the GOP on the path to Trump.

On behalf of all the now departed OO Republicans:

Enough · Post by **Enough** » Sat Aug 22, 2020 3:03 pm

So this is fairly small in the grand scheme of things these days, but Melania has absolutely sucked the life out of the iconic White House Rose Garden.

https://twitter.com/FLOTUS/status/12972 ... gr%5Etweet

https://twitter.com/BeschlossDC/status/ ... 8552102918

Jackie is rolling in her grave.

Zarathud · Post by **Zarathud** » Sat Aug 22, 2020 3:43 pm

Lifeless, sterile and tacky much like the Trump administration.

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Sat Aug 22, 2020 3:57 pm

Enough wrote: ↑Sat Aug 22, 2020 3:03 pm So this is fairly small in the grand scheme of things these days, but Melania has absolutely sucked the life out of the iconic White House Rose Garden.

Cut down trees, pave the border, and go all-white.

Trump's America, ladies and gentlemen!

Jaymann · Post by **Jaymann** » Sat Aug 22, 2020 4:15 pm

I beg your pardon, I never promised you a Rose Garden.

Daehawk · Post by **Daehawk** » Sat Aug 22, 2020 4:27 pm

Theres not enough gaudy fake gold coloring everywhere!@!! I demand more fakeness!@!!!

LawBeefaroni · Post by **LawBeefaroni** » Sat Aug 22, 2020 6:32 pm

Enough wrote: ↑Sat Aug 22, 2020 3:03 pm So this is fairly small in the grand scheme of things these days, but Melania has absolutely sucked the life out of the iconic White House Rose Garden.

https://twitter.com/FLOTUS/status/12972 ... gr%5Etweet

https://twitter.com/BeschlossDC/status/ ... 8552102918

Jackie is rolling in her grave.

Fewer trees, better sight lines, easier to secure the premiter.

Fortress Trump.