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Secret Hitler
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- Scoop20906
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Re: Secret Hitler
Crap. Yeah to you Holman.
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- Scoop20906
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Re: Secret Hitler
Both are a risk. Vorret is less of a risk. Yes you have been consistent. No that doesn't make you liberal. That is my point!
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- Holman
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Re: Secret Hitler
My point is that, if I'm bad, then Vorret is no less of a risk than CR would be--Vorret and I would have been building trust all along for this Big Hitler Moment.Scoop20906 wrote:Both are a risk. Vorret is less of a risk. Yes you have been consistent. No that doesn't make you liberal. That is my point!
If I'm good, you can trust me that CR is good, and you're left acknowledging that Vorret still *might* not be.
There's no scenario in which Vorret is less of a risk than CR.
Much prefer my Nazis Nuremberged.
- Grundbegriff
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Re: Secret Hitler
I'm waiting for votes from bb2112, El Guapo, stessier, and Vorret.
- Scoop20906
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Re: Secret Hitler
This is true which means when you picked chaos this really seemed like a set up. I don't care if you've been consistent about it. You could be consistently lying, right?Holman wrote:My point is that, if I'm bad, then Vorret is no less of a risk than CR would be--Vorret and I would have been building trust all along for this Big Hitler Moment.Scoop20906 wrote:Both are a risk. Vorret is less of a risk. Yes you have been consistent. No that doesn't make you liberal. That is my point!
If I'm good, you can trust me that CR is good, and you're left acknowledging that Vorret still *might* not be.
There's no scenario in which Vorret is less of a risk than CR.
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- Holman
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Re: Secret Hitler
It's true that I could have been consistently lying all this time, but that would require a degree of forethought (and in a totally new game) of which I doubt I'm really capable.
This game isn't Werewolf. Scans aren't public. Lynchings don't whittle the field. Special powers exist but are meant to be avoided by the good guys. I'm looking forward to the post-mortem because I can't decide whether I think this design is brilliantly frustrating or just frustrating.
If you trust me, it's because you see that I've acted to put Liberal policies on the table and to try to identify bad guy behavior. I'm not sure that there's anything I can offer to convince you that you haven't already seen.
Plus I'm about 75% thinking that all this drama is Fascist smokescreen.
This game isn't Werewolf. Scans aren't public. Lynchings don't whittle the field. Special powers exist but are meant to be avoided by the good guys. I'm looking forward to the post-mortem because I can't decide whether I think this design is brilliantly frustrating or just frustrating.
If you trust me, it's because you see that I've acted to put Liberal policies on the table and to try to identify bad guy behavior. I'm not sure that there's anything I can offer to convince you that you haven't already seen.
Plus I'm about 75% thinking that all this drama is Fascist smokescreen.
Much prefer my Nazis Nuremberged.
- Holman
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Re: Secret Hitler
By the way: according to Grund's announcement, you've already voted anyway...
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- Scoop20906
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Re: Secret Hitler
I voted No the moment I said this Holman. I could be wrong and we have a great chance to win the game. I'd be very happy to be wrong. But if I'm right then yeah it would suck to let the fascist steal the game at the 11th hour.Scoop20906 wrote:Dude! Are you serious?
I don't expect you to agree. I'm talking for the benefit of the other liberals.
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- Holman
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Re: Secret Hitler
I certainly understand how the dynamics of the game deny you certainty. I had a scan after certain lines had been drawn, but that's just because I was lucky in the player order.Scoop20906 wrote:I voted No the moment I said this Holman. I could be wrong and we have a great chance to win the game. I'd be very happy to be wrong. But if I'm right then yeah it would suck to let the fascist steal the game at the 11th hour.Scoop20906 wrote:Dude! Are you serious?
I don't expect you to agree. I'm talking for the benefit of the other liberals.
We'll see who's who soon enough. I do feel good about the chances of having at least one L in the card draw, and of course I'm 100% sure about Chaosraven.
Much prefer my Nazis Nuremberged.
- stessier
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Re: Secret Hitler
All we need is for the Liberals to vote Yes. Scoop is clearly not a Liberal. We'll be fine.
I require a reminder as to why raining arcane destruction is not an appropriate response to all of life's indignities. - Vaarsuvius
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- Vorret
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Re: Secret Hitler
Ack, honestly, I kinda knew you we're gonna pick CR but I was still hoping you'd pick me to make my choice easier.
Yaddi yaddi yadda we passed alot of L policies and you're probably as liberal as it gets (next to me anyways) , I dunno.
THis one is hard I'm going to take a step back real quick and reanalyse before voting and making a mistake, we're neck and neck, can'T screw it up.
Yaddi yaddi yadda we passed alot of L policies and you're probably as liberal as it gets (next to me anyways) , I dunno.
THis one is hard I'm going to take a step back real quick and reanalyse before voting and making a mistake, we're neck and neck, can'T screw it up.
Isgrimnur wrote:
His name makes me think of a small, burrowing rodent anyway.
His name makes me think of a small, burrowing rodent anyway.
- Holman
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Re: Secret Hitler
Vorret, I didn't pick you because there's still a 5% chance that you're evil. (And if you are: Bravo! You've played it brilliantly.)
With CR, the scan proves good.
With CR, the scan proves good.
Much prefer my Nazis Nuremberged.
- Remus West
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Re: Secret Hitler
More comfortable than I would with any you are likely to suggest at this point.Scoop20906 wrote:Do you feel comfortable with this ticket?Remus West wrote:So, Scoop, if you vote no here are you intending to go to another flip or are you intending to vote for my ticket (since you proclaimed Moliete Fascist)?
Really, if YOU look at it, the next President would be Moliere - whom you have declared Fascist. After that would be me. So, either you vote yes on this ticket or on mine or risk another flip for the game. Which is it you're trying to accomplish here? Did I suddenly do something that has made your opinion of me solidify to the point you want to risk the game on me rather than Holman?
“As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.” - H.L. Mencken
- Chaosraven
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Re: Secret Hitler
All depends what Holman passes me.
Assuming of course, this passes
And if you are L, Scoop, you may have fucked us by voting no.
Assuming of course, this passes
And if you are L, Scoop, you may have fucked us by voting no.
"Where are you off to?"
"I don't know," Snufkin replied.
The door shut again and Snufkin entered his forest, with a hundred miles of silence ahead of him.
Sweet sweet meat come. -LordMortis
"I don't know," Snufkin replied.
The door shut again and Snufkin entered his forest, with a hundred miles of silence ahead of him.
Sweet sweet meat come. -LordMortis
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Re: Secret Hitler
All it takes is one nonfascist to screw this up.
"Where are you off to?"
"I don't know," Snufkin replied.
The door shut again and Snufkin entered his forest, with a hundred miles of silence ahead of him.
Sweet sweet meat come. -LordMortis
"I don't know," Snufkin replied.
The door shut again and Snufkin entered his forest, with a hundred miles of silence ahead of him.
Sweet sweet meat come. -LordMortis
- Remus West
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Re: Secret Hitler
Vorret is a bigger risk by far - IF Holman is liberal. If Holman is Fascist then he would have gone the popular Vorret route in my opinion. Highest odds are of his drawing FFL and a Fascist Holman would simply pass FF along to anyone he gets elected with and thereby win the game. I'm not overly worried about a Fascist President selecting Hitler as his running mate because he doesn't need Hitler in office to win at this point. He only needs a patsy to set up and pass a F policy then refuse to veto. Easy peasy.Scoop20906 wrote:Both are a risk. Vorret is less of a risk. Yes you have been consistent. No that doesn't make you liberal. That is my point!
“As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.” - H.L. Mencken
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Re: Secret Hitler
I finally agree with stessier on something.stessier wrote:All we need is for the Liberals to vote Yes. Scoop is clearly not a Liberal. We'll be fine.
“As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.” - H.L. Mencken
- Grundbegriff
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Re: Secret Hitler
bb2112 and Vorret: time to vote!
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Re: Secret Hitler
No and Yes. Done.Grundbegriff wrote:bb2112 and Vorret: time to vote!
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- Scoop20906
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Re: Secret Hitler
Well I certainly hope I'm wrong.
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Re: Secret Hitler
Do not read too much into this comment: from the catbird seat, I'm not sure how this game is going to end.
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Re: Secret Hitler
Without confirmation of the scans and no kills, the dynamics are impossible to know with any certainty. And the fear of Hitler is strong, which can ruin the most rational plan.
"If the facts don't fit the theory, change the facts." - Albert Einstein
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"I don't stand by anything." - Trump
“Bad men need nothing more to compass their ends, than that good men should look on and do nothing.” - John Stuart Mill, Inaugural Address Delivered to the University of St Andrews, 2/1/1867
“It is the impractical things in this tumultuous hell-scape of a world that matter most. A book, a name, chicken soup. They help us remember that, even in our darkest hour, life is still to be savored.” - Poe, Altered Carbon
- stessier
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Re: Secret Hitler
Yes, so at some point you just have to trust something. I chose to trust Holman. If I'm wrong, we lose. But if you trust him, Chaos has to be the choice...there is no way around it. And Chaos is extremely unlikely to be Hitler. Hitler doesn't call out El Gaupo. Which is why Scoop's comments are amusing rather than troubling. I guess Moliere was was the Liberal after all...which makes sense based on his willingness to chose Vorret as the out order President. There is still a very small chance that Vorret is Hitler and Remus is Liberal, but I tend to doubt it.
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- Holman
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Re: Secret Hitler
The game started a month ago today. Let's finish it off right now with a Liberal win.
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- Scoop20906
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Re: Secret Hitler
I agree but I hope everyone realizes this is risky.
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Re: Secret Hitler
The election of Holman/Chaosraven succeeds on a vote of 5 to 3 with 1 abstention.
bb2112 ABSENT
Chaosraven YES
El Guapo NO
Holman YES
Molière YES
Remus West YES
Scoop20906 NO
stessier YES
Vorret NO
President Holman may draw three cards when he is ready. The government will then remain silent until Chancellor Chaosraven takes action.
bb2112 ABSENT
Chaosraven YES
El Guapo NO
Holman YES
Molière YES
Remus West YES
Scoop20906 NO
stessier YES
Vorret NO
President Holman may draw three cards when he is ready. The government will then remain silent until Chancellor Chaosraven takes action.
- Grundbegriff
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Re: Secret Hitler
I have chosen in this instance to take action since bb2112's vote, whatever it may be, does not determine the outcome, and since moving the game forward seems more important than waiting.
- stessier
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Re: Secret Hitler
Huh, Vorret was Hitler.
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- Grundbegriff
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Re: Secret Hitler
Game's not over.stessier wrote:was
- Scoop20906
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Re: Secret Hitler
No I think he just agreed with me this is the wrong ticket or I have totally misread this game.stessier wrote:Huh, Vorret was Hitler.
I guess we will know soon.
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Re: Secret Hitler
We'll see the outcome whether I was right or not to vote no.
Isgrimnur wrote:
His name makes me think of a small, burrowing rodent anyway.
His name makes me think of a small, burrowing rodent anyway.
- Moliere
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Re: Secret Hitler
It is comical how fascists continue to act all innocent right up to the very end.Scoop20906 wrote:No I think he just agreed with me this is the wrong ticket or I have totally misread this game.stessier wrote:Huh, Vorret was Hitler.
I guess we will know soon.
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- Chaosraven
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Re: Secret Hitler
Being handed two Fascist gives me no choice.
FASCIST POLICY.
FASCIST POLICY.
"Where are you off to?"
"I don't know," Snufkin replied.
The door shut again and Snufkin entered his forest, with a hundred miles of silence ahead of him.
Sweet sweet meat come. -LordMortis
"I don't know," Snufkin replied.
The door shut again and Snufkin entered his forest, with a hundred miles of silence ahead of him.
Sweet sweet meat come. -LordMortis
- stessier
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Re: Secret Hitler
Of course you had a choice...you could have vetoed.
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- Vorret
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Re: Secret Hitler
Pretty sure he's messing with you, Grund makes the annoucements.stessier wrote:Of course you had a choice...you could have vetoed.
Isgrimnur wrote:
His name makes me think of a small, burrowing rodent anyway.
His name makes me think of a small, burrowing rodent anyway.
- Scoop20906
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Re: Secret Hitler
Yep. Liar liar lair
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- stessier
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Re: Secret Hitler
Nope, Chancellors announce their own policies.... been that way the whole game.Vorret wrote:Pretty sure he's messing with you, Grund makes the annoucements.stessier wrote:Of course you had a choice...you could have vetoed.
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- Holman
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Re: Secret Hitler
Chaosraven, we can use veto to skip this policy. We both have to agree, and of course I agree to it right now.Veto Power
If five Fascist Policies are enacted, then the Chancellor gains a veto over the pair of policies provided secretly by the President: rather than have to enact one of them, the Chancellor may-- only with the President's concurrence-- reject them both and do nothing. If this happens, the game proceeds as normal but the count of failed elections increases by 1.
I drew F-F-F. (Grund tells me that a reshuffle occurred in the midst of the draw because we got down to 2 cards.) I had no choice but to pass F-F to CR, but the veto cancels it.
Incidentally, if CR and I agree to the veto, that's new information: everyone now has 100% confirmation that we are good (and bb2112 and El G are bad); if either of us were bad, he would decline the veto.
Much prefer my Nazis Nuremberged.
- Scoop20906
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Re: Secret Hitler
This is exactly what I warned against. Lying!!!!
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- stessier
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Re: Secret Hitler
Just marveling at the math....if Vorret has been telling the truth, the chances of F F F are remarkably low.
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