Secret Hitler

Vorret · Post by **Vorret** » Thu Feb 18, 2016 4:50 pm

stessier wrote:
Vorret wrote:It's just a thought, it's not impossible. maybe slightly unlikely but it's possible.
Dude, I had you, Holman, Chaos, and Remus Moliere on my evil list before you passed the last policy. Unless you are Chaos or Holman, we know so little that basically every combination is possible.

Edit: Dang it, Remus is always evil!!

lol, really? I was on your evil list? How the hell did I end up in there?

Anyways... I don't know Stess, look at it, something feels wrong.

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Thu Feb 18, 2016 4:50 pm

That kind of coordination would be hard in a game with no bad-guy forum.

I've had it easy. Being a good guy with access to a scan means having a place to stand, and having it be the second scan means I could be 100% sure about three other players.

I have no idea about Hitler, though. I want this to wrap up so we can find out who he was.

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Thu Feb 18, 2016 5:14 pm

Vorret wrote:
stessier wrote:
Vorret wrote:It's just a thought, it's not impossible. maybe slightly unlikely but it's possible.
Dude, I had you, Holman, Chaos, and Remus Moliere on my evil list before you passed the last policy. Unless you are Chaos or Holman, we know so little that basically every combination is possible.

Edit: Dang it, Remus is always evil!!
lol, really? I was on your evil list? How the hell did I end up in there?

Anyways... I don't know Stess, look at it, something feels wrong.

Oh, I totally agree. It seems easy and it shouldn't be easy, right?

That's why you were my Hitler. Holman backs Chaos to create a trusted link. He keeps passing Liberal policies with you so he's in position to get you to be someone else's chancellor. Cause if Holman/Chaos doesn't win us the game (or lose it for us), you're going to be the most trusted person we can elect without just flipping a card. So yeah, I'm totally prepared to lose in the most embarrassing way possible. Of course, I was also sure Grund was faking Elongated Man, so YMMV.

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Thu Feb 18, 2016 5:37 pm

Ok. If chaos is hitler he doesn't know who the fascists are. El Guapo know chaos is hitler and frames him. Chaos realizes he finds he first teammates and attacks his lie.

He has a scan to use and used it on bb2112. He claims bb2112 is a fascist. Why? Maybe he is maybe he isn't. Either way chaos think he is creating a hitler candidate in case their is a shot.

Holman gets a scan and being knowing that Chaos is hitler claims he is liberal.

Actually this is possible.

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Thu Feb 18, 2016 5:39 pm

Hmmm am I missing anything where this scenario isn't possible?

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Thu Feb 18, 2016 5:48 pm

Lots of permutations are possible. This game withholds so much information (scans are rare and kept private) that certainty isn't going to be available.

If I were Fascist, however, I'd have taken advantage before now of two chances to screw over Vorret and get F's on the board. If Vorret were instead a co-Fascist with me, that means the team (according to your scenario) would be me, Vorret, El Guapo, and Chaosraven--leaving no room for whichever of you and Moliere must also be a bad guy.

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Thu Feb 18, 2016 6:00 pm

However if you screwed over Vorret you ruin your scan of chaos as a liberal. Once you made your scan announcement you couldn't screw over anyone.

A fascists job is to protect hitler.

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Thu Feb 18, 2016 6:01 pm

Holman wrote:Lots of permutations are possible. This game withholds so much information (scans are rare and kept private) that certainty isn't going to be available.

If I were Fascist, however, I'd have taken advantage before now of two chances to screw over Vorret and get F's on the board. If Vorret were instead a co-Fascist with me, that means the team (according to your scenario) would be me, Vorret, El Guapo, and Chaosraven--leaving no room for whichever of you and Moliere must also be a bad guy.

Why is Vorret included in your scenario?

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Thu Feb 18, 2016 6:06 pm

Scoop20906 wrote:However if you screwed over Vorret you ruin your scan of chaos as a liberal. Once you made your scan announcement you couldn't screw over anyone.

Why not? It would have been my word against his. From the outside it would look just the same as a dispute running the other way.

All moot, however. My play has been consistent, and I haven't had to try to fool anyone. Perks of Liberalism.

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Thu Feb 18, 2016 6:06 pm

I already know Moliere is a fascist. In this scenario it is Moliere, El Guapo, Holman and Chaosraven as Hitler.

I don't see how Vorret fits in with that.

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Thu Feb 18, 2016 6:08 pm

Holman wrote:
Scoop20906 wrote:However if you screwed over Vorret you ruin your scan of chaos as a liberal. Once you made your scan announcement you couldn't screw over anyone.
Why not? It would have been my word against his. From the outside it would look just the same as a dispute running the other way.

All moot, however. My play has been consistent, and I haven't had to try to fool anyone. Perks of Liberalism.

If you got into disagreement over cards then that instantly taints your scan of chaos. If he is hitler it seems like that would be a bad move to make. You'd want hitler to look as liberal as possible.

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Thu Feb 18, 2016 6:09 pm

Scoop20906 wrote:
Holman wrote:Lots of permutations are possible. This game withholds so much information (scans are rare and kept private) that certainty isn't going to be available.

If I were Fascist, however, I'd have taken advantage before now of two chances to screw over Vorret and get F's on the board. If Vorret were instead a co-Fascist with me, that means the team (according to your scenario) would be me, Vorret, El Guapo, and Chaosraven--leaving no room for whichever of you and Moliere must also be a bad guy.
Why is Vorret included in your scenario?

Because he's the player I've been repeatedly paired with and thus had a chance (if I were Fascist) to betray.

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Thu Feb 18, 2016 6:09 pm

I also see no scenario where El Guapo isn't a fascist.

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Thu Feb 18, 2016 6:11 pm

Scoop20906 wrote:
Holman wrote:
Scoop20906 wrote:However if you screwed over Vorret you ruin your scan of chaos as a liberal. Once you made your scan announcement you couldn't screw over anyone.
Why not? It would have been my word against his. From the outside it would look just the same as a dispute running the other way.

All moot, however. My play has been consistent, and I haven't had to try to fool anyone. Perks of Liberalism.
If you got into disagreement over cards then that instantly taints your scan of chaos. If he is hitler it seems like that would be a bad move to make. You'd want hitler to look as liberal as possible.

I don't understand what you're getting at. Getting into a disagreement doesn't taint my scan--a Fascist me would just accuse Vorret of Fascism.

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Thu Feb 18, 2016 6:13 pm

Holman wrote:
Scoop20906 wrote:
Holman wrote:Lots of permutations are possible. This game withholds so much information (scans are rare and kept private) that certainty isn't going to be available.

If I were Fascist, however, I'd have taken advantage before now of two chances to screw over Vorret and get F's on the board. If Vorret were instead a co-Fascist with me, that means the team (according to your scenario) would be me, Vorret, El Guapo, and Chaosraven--leaving no room for whichever of you and Moliere must also be a bad guy.
Why is Vorret included in your scenario?
Because he's the player I've been repeatedly paired with and thus had a chance (if I were Fascist) to betray.

I already don't find that argument convincing.

It's just so hard to trust anything in this game.

Still Holman your claim is vital now because it is the closest we have to a proven player so far.

Sigh.

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Thu Feb 18, 2016 6:14 pm

Holman wrote:
Scoop20906 wrote:
Holman wrote:
Scoop20906 wrote:However if you screwed over Vorret you ruin your scan of chaos as a liberal. Once you made your scan announcement you couldn't screw over anyone.
Why not? It would have been my word against his. From the outside it would look just the same as a dispute running the other way.

All moot, however. My play has been consistent, and I haven't had to try to fool anyone. Perks of Liberalism.
If you got into disagreement over cards then that instantly taints your scan of chaos. If he is hitler it seems like that would be a bad move to make. You'd want hitler to look as liberal as possible.
I don't understand what you're getting at. Getting into a disagreement doesn't taint my scan--a Fascist me would just accuse Vorret of Fascism.

Really? What if I had scanned chaos? Would you trust my scan calling him liberal?

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Thu Feb 18, 2016 6:16 pm

Scoop20906 wrote:I also see no scenario where El Guapo isn't a fascist.

You're not being creative enough.

I mean, I gave you one in my last post. Vorret is Hitler, Holman, Chaos, and Moliere are the other 3. Totally possible.

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Thu Feb 18, 2016 6:16 pm

You can trust me. Chaosraven is Liberal, bb2112 and El Guapo are Fascist, and Vorret's dealings with me have been honest (but are now irrelevant as I plan to nominate CR as my Chancellor).

My problem is that I don't know the remaining bad guys. One of them is you or Moliere and the other is Remus or stessier and almost certainly not Vorret.

The bad guys know who is who, and they will be voting for Chaosraven for President to make him ineligible for my administration.

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Thu Feb 18, 2016 6:19 pm

stessier wrote:
Scoop20906 wrote:I also see no scenario where El Guapo isn't a fascist.
You're not being creative enough.

I mean, I gave you one in my last post. Vorret is Hitler, Holman, Chaos, and Moliere are the other 3. Totally possible.

Damn. That totally is!!

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Thu Feb 18, 2016 6:20 pm

Scoop20906 wrote:
Holman wrote:
Scoop20906 wrote:
Holman wrote:
Scoop20906 wrote:However if you screwed over Vorret you ruin your scan of chaos as a liberal. Once you made your scan announcement you couldn't screw over anyone.
Why not? It would have been my word against his. From the outside it would look just the same as a dispute running the other way.

All moot, however. My play has been consistent, and I haven't had to try to fool anyone. Perks of Liberalism.
If you got into disagreement over cards then that instantly taints your scan of chaos. If he is hitler it seems like that would be a bad move to make. You'd want hitler to look as liberal as possible.
I don't understand what you're getting at. Getting into a disagreement doesn't taint my scan--a Fascist me would just accuse Vorret of Fascism.
Really? What if I had scanned chaos? Would you trust my scan calling him liberal?

I would have to choose between you and your rival in the dispute. My scanning Chaos back towards the beginning didn't somehow immunize me from disputes later.

Suppose a Fascist Scoop had picked me as Chancellor, then set me up with FF cards and claimed he'd sent FL. I'd have disputed him, but this wouldn't somehow invalidate my scan of Chaos.

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Thu Feb 18, 2016 6:22 pm

Scoop20906 wrote:
stessier wrote:
Scoop20906 wrote:I also see no scenario where El Guapo isn't a fascist.
You're not being creative enough.

I mean, I gave you one in my last post. Vorret is Hitler, Holman, Chaos, and Moliere are the other 3. Totally possible.
Damn. That totally is!!

bb2112 and El Guapo are compromised, but the other two Bads remain under the radar.

Vorret, Remus, Moliere, Chaosraven:
Are we watching Fascists Scoop and stessier try for a Heil Mary play here?

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Thu Feb 18, 2016 6:28 pm

Dude. Blame your campaign buddy Vorret. He started this whole thing.

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Thu Feb 18, 2016 6:29 pm

Ok I like the Heil Mary comment.

Moliere · Post by **Moliere** » Thu Feb 18, 2016 6:31 pm

Scoop20906 wrote:I already know Moliere is a fascist.

I know you are, but what am I?

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Thu Feb 18, 2016 7:59 pm

Scoop20906 wrote:Ok I like the Heil Mary comment.

+1

That being said, I'm totes a Liberal.

Vorret · Post by **Vorret** » Thu Feb 18, 2016 8:20 pm

Scoop20906 wrote:Dude. Blame your campaign buddy Vorret. He started this whole thing.

It was a simple question I was asking myself and it blew up lol

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Fri Feb 19, 2016 12:13 am

This game can totally be won by my chancellor REMUS WEST

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Fri Feb 19, 2016 12:13 am

Remus West

Grundbegriff · Post by **Grundbegriff** » Fri Feb 19, 2016 12:33 am

Chaosraven wrote: Remus West

Presidential candidate KAOSravensburg nominates Remus Westernfront for chancellor. Please PM me your votes, whether YES or NO, regarding this ticket.

Vorret · Post by **Vorret** » Fri Feb 19, 2016 12:37 am

wtf...

Vorret · Post by **Vorret** » Fri Feb 19, 2016 12:38 am

is this like some epic ploy for chaos to shoot remus?

Vorret · Post by **Vorret** » Fri Feb 19, 2016 12:38 am

I think I'm going to vote yes for the comedic aspect of thhe whole thing lol

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Fri Feb 19, 2016 12:47 am

Vorret wrote:I think I'm going to vote yes for the comedic aspect of thhe whole thing lol

ARE YOU CRAZY??????

Zarathud · Post by **Zarathud** » Fri Feb 19, 2016 2:07 am

Wow, Chaos. No matter how this turns out....

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Fri Feb 19, 2016 8:11 am

I'm letting folks here know I will be voting yes. I have no issue being placed in this position. I'll either be proven correct in my thinking, shot, or - far more likely - never elected anyway so......

Grundbegriff · Post by **Grundbegriff** » Fri Feb 19, 2016 9:42 am

Waiting to hear from Chaosraven and Scoop20906.

Moliere · Post by **Moliere** » Fri Feb 19, 2016 4:00 pm

(I'm drinking a lot of coffee today. It must be Friday and everyone has left work early.)

Grundbegriff · Post by **Grundbegriff** » Fri Feb 19, 2016 4:04 pm

We await only the vote of Chaosraven.

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Fri Feb 19, 2016 5:05 pm

Oh geez

Grundbegriff · Post by **Grundbegriff** » Fri Feb 19, 2016 5:14 pm

Grundbegriff wrote:
Chaosraven wrote: Remus West

Presidential candidate KAOSravensburg nominates Remus Westernfront for chancellor. Please PM me your votes, whether YES or NO, regarding this ticket.

The election of Chaosraven/Remus West fails on a vote of 7 to 2.

bb2112 NO
Chaosraven NO
El Guapo NO
Holman NO
Molière NO
Remus West YES
Scoop20906 NO
stessier NO
Vorret YES

Here's where we stand:

Final Roster

bb2112
Chaosraven
El Guapo <----- The new Presidential Nominee
Holman
Molière
Remus West
Scoop20906
stessier
Vorret

9 players:

5 Liberals
3 normal Fascists
1 Hitler Fascist

The Liberal Policy Track

Elections whiffed: 2
1st Policy Passed? Yes
2nd Policy Passed? Yes
3rd Policy Passed? Yes
4th Policy Passed? Yes
5th Policy Passed? No

The Fascist Policy Track

1st Policy Passed (Chaosraven investigated bb2112's identity)? Yes
2nd Policy Passed (Holman investigated Chaosraven's identity)? Yes
3rd Policy Passed (Moliere selects as the next Presidential candidate)? Yes
4th Policy Passed (Assassination obviated by popular uprising)? Yes
5th Policy Passed (President orders an assassination)? No
6th Policy Passed (Fascist Victory)? No

Deck 1 contained: 11 Fascist Policies and 6 Liberal Policies, shuffled.
Deck 2 contained: 8 Fascist Policies and 4 Liberal Policies, shuffled.
Talon count: 5
Discard count: 4
Enacted count: 8 (4 LIBERAL, 4 FASCIST)

Electoral History So Far:

Code: Select all

1. LIBERAL POLICY, Vorret & El Guapo
2. LIBERAL POLICY, bb2112 & Holman
3. FASCIST POLICY, Chaosraven & El Guapo
4. rejected slate, El Guapo & Holman
5. FASCIST POLICY, Holman & Vorret
6. FASCIST POLICY, Moliere & Scoop20906
7. LIBERAL POLICY, Vorret & Holman
8. rejected slate, Remus West & Chaosraven
9. rejected slate, Scoop20906 & Chaosraven
10a. rejected slate, stessier & El Guapo
10b. FASCIST POLICY autoenacted.
11. LIBERAL POLICY, Vorret & Holman
12. rejected slate, bb2112 & Moliere
13. rejected slate, Chaosraven & Remus West

Action on El Guapo: Please nominate as chancellor someone not in the set {Vorret, Holman}.