Re: Defining the 21st Century Republican Party?
Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2022 5:14 pm
You're certainly not wrong. I'm just laughing at the concept of Democrats being unified on anything, much less who the best presidential candidate would be.
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Defining the 21st Century Republican Party?
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Re: Defining the 21st Century Republican Party?
Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2022 6:44 pm
If he had a bigger national profile, I would say the current Pennsylvania governor Tom Wolf. Beto feels like a non-starter despite having charisma as they’ll play the “coming for your guns” video into the ground.
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Re: Defining the 21st Century Republican Party?
Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2022 7:41 pm
Maybe we need to bow to the times and go with a media celebrity who represents the American values we support.
Tom Hanks?
Tom Hanks?
Re: Defining the 21st Century Republican Party?
Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2022 7:51 pm
I suppose Johnny Depp is right out.
Re: Defining the 21st Century Republican Party?
Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2022 8:10 pm
Kevin Kline? George Clooney? Jeff Bridges? Robin Wright?
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Re: Defining the 21st Century Republican Party?
Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2022 10:57 pm
We need a Kennedy type.
Agree that straight (preferably older but not Lich king old) white male is The Way. And super moderate.
I think Klobuchar would be great but she’s not who we need right now.
Agree that straight (preferably older but not Lich king old) white male is The Way. And super moderate.
I think Klobuchar would be great but she’s not who we need right now.
Re: Defining the 21st Century Republican Party?
Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2022 11:36 pm
Carpet_pissr wrote:We need a Kennedy type.
Re: Defining the 21st Century Republican Party?
Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2022 11:43 pm
Well played, sir, well played.
Re: Defining the 21st Century Republican Party?
Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2022 11:57 pm
Always glad to help.
Re: Defining the 21st Century Republican Party?
Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2022 1:43 am
Truly thou art a font of knowledge.
Re: Defining the 21st Century Republican Party?
Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2022 2:10 am
Since the times of the new Romans.
Re: Defining the 21st Century Republican Party?
Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2022 11:05 am
The Dems should run Massachusetts Governor Charlie Baker.
Re: Defining the 21st Century Republican Party?
Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2022 4:08 pm
He's the only Republican I wouldn't hesitate to support (depending on whom he was running against). The GOP no longer has any place for him and he shows no inclination of changing his stripes, so it looks like he's out of politics.
Re: Defining the 21st Century Republican Party?
Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2022 4:18 pm
He could run for Senate and be the Rs Joe Manchin but I guess they still have Liz, for now.
Re: Defining the 21st Century Republican Party?
Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2022 4:23 pm
I would totally vote for him (unless he's crazy for guns, and then hard no).
Re: Defining the 21st Century Republican Party?
Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2022 4:37 pm
Would you support him if it were McConnell and McCarthy running Congress? This is a HUGE part of the equation nowadays...
Re: Defining the 21st Century Republican Party?
Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2022 5:08 pm
We're hypothesizing that he's running as R or D? Because there's no way he could ever get the R nod IRL. Some speculate that he's abdicating his Mass. throne because he wouldn't survive the primary here. MAGA hates him, and MAGA dominates primaries.Pyperkub wrote: ↑Thu Jun 16, 2022 4:37 pmWould you support him if it were McConnell and McCarthy running Congress? This is a HUGE part of the equation nowadays...
If he miraculously became the R nominee, it would depend on who the Dems were running against him, because we would be talking about a non-MAGA GOP. I might prefer Baker to Biden. Depends on whether Joe can recover any mojo in the second half of his term.
Re: Defining the 21st Century Republican Party?
Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2022 5:11 pm
Per above, you had him as (R), so I was thinking that.
Re: Defining the 21st Century Republican Party?
Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2022 6:25 pm
My master plan is for the Dems to run him as their candidate. Would that actually require him to change party? Is there any rule against the Dems running a Republican as their nominee? Not sure what the answer is, but either way, it would end up in a Baker vs. Trump contest in 2024 in my scenario.Kraken wrote: ↑Thu Jun 16, 2022 5:08 pmWe're hypothesizing that he's running as R or D? Because there's no way he could ever get the R nod IRL. Some speculate that he's abdicating his Mass. throne because he wouldn't survive the primary here. MAGA hates him, and MAGA dominates primaries.Pyperkub wrote: ↑Thu Jun 16, 2022 4:37 pmWould you support him if it were McConnell and McCarthy running Congress? This is a HUGE part of the equation nowadays...
If he miraculously became the R nominee, it would depend on who the Dems were running against him, because we would be talking about a non-MAGA GOP. I might prefer Baker to Biden. Depends on whether Joe can recover any mojo in the second half of his term.
Re: Defining the 21st Century Republican Party?
Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2022 7:02 pm
It's a nice idea but it feels low (near nil) probability from both the Baker and Democratic party angles.Kurth wrote: ↑Thu Jun 16, 2022 6:25 pmMy master plan is for the Dems to run him as their candidate. Would that actually require him to change party? Is there any rule against the Dems running a Republican as their nominee? Not sure what the answer is, but either way, it would end up in a Baker vs. Trump contest in 2024 in my scenario.Kraken wrote: ↑Thu Jun 16, 2022 5:08 pmWe're hypothesizing that he's running as R or D? Because there's no way he could ever get the R nod IRL. Some speculate that he's abdicating his Mass. throne because he wouldn't survive the primary here. MAGA hates him, and MAGA dominates primaries.Pyperkub wrote: ↑Thu Jun 16, 2022 4:37 pmWould you support him if it were McConnell and McCarthy running Congress? This is a HUGE part of the equation nowadays...
If he miraculously became the R nominee, it would depend on who the Dems were running against him, because we would be talking about a non-MAGA GOP. I might prefer Baker to Biden. Depends on whether Joe can recover any mojo in the second half of his term.
Re: Defining the 21st Century Republican Party?
Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2022 8:29 pm
Re: Defining the 21st Century Republican Party?
Posted: Sat Jun 18, 2022 5:33 pm
Re: Defining the 21st Century Republican Party?
Posted: Sat Jun 18, 2022 7:29 pm
What was that guy yelling about?
Re: Defining the 21st Century Republican Party?
Posted: Sat Jun 18, 2022 9:44 pm
Leopards. Faces. Etc.
Re: Defining the 21st Century Republican Party?
Posted: Sat Jun 18, 2022 9:47 pm
That guy’s voice would make me reconsider my stance on capital punishment.
Re: Defining the 21st Century Republican Party?
Posted: Sat Jun 18, 2022 11:54 pm
The inmates have taken control of the asylum. This is just for starters. Read the entire thread excerpts of the platform of the TX GOP:
Re: Defining the 21st Century Republican Party?
Posted: Sun Jun 19, 2022 7:26 am
And they won't pay any political price for it.
Re: Defining the 21st Century Republican Party?
Posted: Sun Jun 19, 2022 8:16 am
Wow. I mean. Is that a declaration of ______?
Re: Defining the 21st Century Republican Party?
Posted: Sun Jun 19, 2022 10:49 am
That as an official party statement... I'm not even sure what to call it, except that the bar for the term 'unbelievable' has, once again, shifted.
Re: Defining the 21st Century Republican Party?
Posted: Sun Jun 19, 2022 11:27 am
Rapists going to rape - the party of family values:
Re: Defining the 21st Century Republican Party?
Posted: Sun Jun 19, 2022 12:21 pm
Just some thoughts from a person that works for a political think-tank regarding the TX GOP statements:
What to do?People need to pay attention to what the Texas GOP has put into their party platform this week. It's ugly, but it's also what I have been warning about. First there's this, requiring students be taught life begins at conception. This is a direct assault on separation of church and state, and also sets Texas up to charge women who go out of state for an abortion, as well as anyone who assists them, under the felony murder rule. Treating homosexuality as an "abnormal lifestyle CHOICE" signals that they will go after Oberfell (as I mentioned months ago). It also signals that they will try to take children from homes of LGB parents. This one will take several tweets.
This portion signals the end of any trans person in Texas being able to change ANY documentation related to their gender identity, or even respecting documents from other states. For example, a trans student who has changed their birth certificate and passport in California, would still have to be registered as the wrong gender at a Texas University. This sets up all sorts of constitutional issues, going to a hostile court. Rur-roh. The second half of it is a direct threat to any doctor therapist in Texas who affirms trans people. They're signaling an intent to yank the licenses of doctors who provide transition related care, and helping people sue them into financial oblivion.
The immediate goal, of course, is to eliminate access to anything other than conversion therapy for all trans people, not just youth.
Big picture: they want trans people in Texas to leave or stay in the closet forever.
Ok, this is just some Peter Thiel / John Birch Society Galaxy brain **** right here (about abolishing the Federal Reserve).
Then there's this, which means to remove basically all state level regulations on wearing of firearms forever. So, until someone starts blasting away with their AR-15, no one can do anything.
I call this the "Ensuring Uvalde Happens Again and Again" platform.
And a little extra:I would advise LGBT to GTFO of Texas within the next year if at all possible. This is going some very dark places. One of the big lessons of the past with genocide is to take the opportunity to get out while they prefer for you to leave, rather than try to wait it out.
The biggest danger is when they decide they would rather that you not be allowed to leave, so that they can fix the problem permanently with things like imprisonment for "sodomy" or involuntary institutionalization to "fix" gender dysphoria.
Absolutely insane stuff and people will just keep voting for it because they cannot imagine voting for a (D) candidate.I missed this bit on the first go around. They want to end limits on campaign contributions, (massive grift / bribery / corruption potential here), and take a step towards secession and ignoring SCOTUS if they don't like a ruling.
Re: Defining the 21st Century Republican Party?
Posted: Sun Jun 19, 2022 4:47 pm
They continue to eat their own:
Re: Defining the 21st Century Republican Party?
Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2022 12:37 pm
Not eating their own, but absolutely openly calling for violence as part of campaigning. Totally normal.
Eric Greitens made a campaign ad that literally, not metaphorically, advocates killing Republicans who are not sufficiently pro-Trump.
This is, unmistakably, fascism.
Re: Defining the 21st Century Republican Party?
Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2022 12:44 pm
That ad is appalling. It's reckless, un-American, vile, etc. And that is unfortunately where we probably are going.
Re: Defining the 21st Century Republican Party?
Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2022 5:25 pm
Pretty sure we are about to watch the GOP go full-on Homelander over the next 2 years.
Re: Defining the 21st Century Republican Party?
Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2022 8:58 pm
It's equally juvenile and scary.
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Re: Defining the 21st Century Republican Party?
Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2022 9:56 pm
Re: Defining the 21st Century Republican Party?
Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2022 7:19 am
Remember I said many months ago that Republicans will split into 2 parties, much like KMT did in Taiwan?
Yeah, it's pretty much happening. Republicans now are doing "purity tests" on each other and people are using their posts to signal their virtues. The question mainly is who will have the common sense to stay with the people, and who will keep silent and let the "right-wingers" dictate their moves, much like the tail wag the dog?
Yeah, it's pretty much happening. Republicans now are doing "purity tests" on each other and people are using their posts to signal their virtues. The question mainly is who will have the common sense to stay with the people, and who will keep silent and let the "right-wingers" dictate their moves, much like the tail wag the dog?
Re: Defining the 21st Century Republican Party?
Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2022 7:48 am
I think there is a fundamental problem with this idea. It isn't calibrated for the functional differences between the two political systems. On one hand, Taiwan is parliamentary. You can break a party in half and still potentially pass the bar, run for elections, and capture seats. That is not possible almost anywhere in the United States. Even where you have "pure" blue or red states you typically see a solid 2nd party and some tiny splinter representations soaking up a perent or two at most.Kasey Chang wrote: ↑Tue Jun 21, 2022 7:19 am Remember I said many months ago that Republicans will split into 2 parties, much like KMT did in Taiwan?
The most likely course is the GOP won't break in half. Parties here instead transform or die. And we haven't seen a major party die since before the Civil War. The question we face is where does their transformation take them. That is the battle we are seeing and for the GOP they tend to rally to the party in the end. Worse, we are long past the point where we have to continue to be worried that there is a line they aren't willing to cross.
Re: Defining the 21st Century Republican Party?
Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2022 8:27 am
Why are we talking about the GOP party transforming? It’s already happened. The moderates aren’t rallying to a new party, they are retiring and leaving politics. The MAGA elements are running the show, and nobody in the party can fight them.