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hepcat wrote: Tue Dec 14, 2021 10:31 pm Trump and his supporters all share the same hilarious disdain for grammar.



P.S. 95 percent of those children are runaways. No Qanon conspiracy to see here.
And I'd hazard a strong guess that a huge remainder of the next 5% are parental/familial abductions.
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Reuters
The 365,348 figure is misleading. It accounts for the total number of reports for missing children made in 2020, not the active number of missing cases.

According to the FBI’s National Crime Information Center (NCIC), 365,348 missing person records were filed for juveniles between the age of 0 and 17 in 2020 (here). This was down from 421,395 the previous year.

As explained by the National Center for Missing & Exploited Children (NCMEC), the leading clearing house of information about missing children in the U.S., these numbers represent reports of missing children (here) - not active cases. This means that if a child runs away multiple times within the year, each instance is entered into the NCIC database separately and counted in the annual total.
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Therefore, of the 365,348 missing children (between the age of 0 and 17) reports recorded in 2020, only 30,396 – or about 8% – were still active cases at the end of the year.
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Although there were 365,348 reports of missing children in 2020, many of those returned home and the true active figure by the end of the year was around 92% lower.
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Just a clean cut murderer kid talking about his vast experience and solid judgement

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malchior wrote:Just a clean cut murderer kid talking about his vast experience and solid judgement

To be fair, he probably can use the money. That stupid asshattery had to be costly, even with all the RW grifter cash, and IMHO, by the law in Wisconsin, it was self defense, though I expect some civil suits to be coming his way as well. I'd be taking advantage of the RW grift too.

The problem, as always, are the RW grifters pushing the bullshit that motivated him. And his parents.
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Madison Cawthorn today to an audience of mostly college students: “I think you should home school. I was home schooled all the way through. I am proudly a college dropout. Unless you are becoming a doctor or lawyer or engineer, I highly encourage you to drop out.”
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Pyperkub wrote: Wed Dec 15, 2021 2:05 am
malchior wrote:Just a clean cut murderer kid talking about his vast experience and solid judgement

To be fair, he probably can use the money. That stupid asshattery had to be costly, even with all the RW grifter cash, and IMHO, by the law in Wisconsin, it was self defense, though I expect some civil suits to be coming his way as well. I'd be taking advantage of the RW grift too.

The problem, as always, are the RW grifters pushing the bullshit that motivated him. And his parents.
I thought he had a defense fund all set up which took care of his expenses. Yes he’s young and exploitable and I really don’t give a shit since my empathy tank is a bit low these days so need to pick and choose my sympathies. And at some point it’s on you for taking the easy money. Of course, we’re probably looking at the future Minister of Justice in the next Republican regime.
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TP USA? They're calling themselves shitpaper? Is that a reference to the morningConstitutional?
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LordMortis wrote: Wed Dec 22, 2021 10:28 am TP USA? They're calling themselves shitpaper? Is that a reference to the morningConstitutional?
Or it’s a call to TP the USA.
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Octavious wrote: Tue Dec 21, 2021 5:28 pm You can barely get a job shoveling snow without a college degree now. Solid advice from that guy. (Aside from trade jobs of course) I'd like to be knocked out for about 5-10 years and only woken up if things have improved. I don't think I'd be waking up. :P
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This is the type of press that mild (and walked back) criticism buys you with the credulous press. This is a guy who signed onto the Supreme Court case to overturn the election and is an anti-vaxxer. I'm not even bothering with the Deathwatch thread anymore with stuff like this and just Fox going off the rails. We're well into a post-journalism phase. The misinformation buffet has many choices now.

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$iljanus wrote: Wed Dec 22, 2021 10:20 am
Pyperkub wrote: Wed Dec 15, 2021 2:05 am
malchior wrote:Just a clean cut murderer kid talking about his vast experience and solid judgement

To be fair, he probably can use the money. That stupid asshattery had to be costly, even with all the RW grifter cash, and IMHO, by the law in Wisconsin, it was self defense, though I expect some civil suits to be coming his way as well. I'd be taking advantage of the RW grift too.

The problem, as always, are the RW grifters pushing the bullshit that motivated him. And his parents.
I thought he had a defense fund all set up which took care of his expenses. Yes he’s young and exploitable and I really don’t give a shit since my empathy tank is a bit low these days so need to pick and choose my sympathies. And at some point it’s on you for taking the easy money. Of course, we’re probably looking at the future Minister of Justice in the next Republican regime.
I think that was when the grifter Lin Wood was defending him (and then got fired). Some may have carried over, I don't know, but murder defenses and bail ain't cheap.
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In other news, MAGA Congressman Madison Cawthorn just announced that he and his wife of eight months are getting divorced.

I'm sure it's *not* because he's a lunatic asshole.
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Holman wrote: Wed Dec 22, 2021 9:04 pm In other news, MAGA Congressman Madison Cawthorn just announced that he and his wife of eight months are getting divorced.

I'm sure it's *not* because he's a lunatic asshole.
Family values and all. One thing I've learned by being around uber conservative politicians (and I know a lot of them) is that they all have a superiority complex where they think they are better than everyone simply because of their conservative upbringing and their family. Cawthorn comes across like that to me, so literally everyone is below him and his views on the world are superior to everyone else. No doubt he had little room in his life for a wife who didn't follow his every word.
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Scraper wrote: Thu Dec 23, 2021 9:11 am
Holman wrote: Wed Dec 22, 2021 9:04 pm In other news, MAGA Congressman Madison Cawthorn just announced that he and his wife of eight months are getting divorced.

I'm sure it's *not* because he's a lunatic asshole.
Family values and all. One thing I've learned by being around uber conservative politicians (and I know a lot of them) is that they all have a superiority complex where they think they are better than everyone simply because of their conservative upbringing and their family. Cawthorn comes across like that to me, so literally everyone is below him and his views on the world are superior to everyone else. No doubt he had little room in his life for a wife who didn't follow his every word.
Possibly. There also have been rumors for some time that he is closeted.
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malchior wrote:
Scraper wrote: Thu Dec 23, 2021 9:11 am
Holman wrote: Wed Dec 22, 2021 9:04 pm In other news, MAGA Congressman Madison Cawthorn just announced that he and his wife of eight months are getting divorced.

I'm sure it's *not* because he's a lunatic asshole.
Family values and all. One thing I've learned by being around uber conservative politicians (and I know a lot of them) is that they all have a superiority complex where they think they are better than everyone simply because of their conservative upbringing and their family. Cawthorn comes across like that to me, so literally everyone is below him and his views on the world are superior to everyone else. No doubt he had little room in his life for a wife who didn't follow his every word.
Possibly. There also have been rumors for some time that he is closeted.
Date I say that he got tired of her pushing him around?
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Yo this Cawthorn thing just stepped up to a new level of crazy. It's always Russians with these guys. Nothing says totes legit than perhaps being suckered into a meeting with a Putin approved mail order bride.

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malchior wrote: Mon Dec 27, 2021 2:16 pm Yo this Cawthorn thing just stepped up to a new level of crazy. It's always Russians with these guys. Nothing says totes legit than perhaps being suckered into a meeting with a Putin approved mail order bride.
Where are you getting this from? He met a US Army captain while vacationing in Leningrad and became friends. That guy later introduced him to his future wife in Miami. She’s an American, not Russian.

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And Anna Chapman was British.
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Grifman wrote: Mon Dec 27, 2021 5:47 pm
malchior wrote: Mon Dec 27, 2021 2:16 pm Yo this Cawthorn thing just stepped up to a new level of crazy. It's always Russians with these guys. Nothing says totes legit than perhaps being suckered into a meeting with a Putin approved mail order bride.
Where are you getting this from? He met a US Army captain while vacationing in Leningrad and became friends. That guy later introduced him to his future wife in Miami. She’s an American, not Russian.

https://www.the-sun.com/news/1739608/ma ... stina/amp/
Indeed on Chapman. Did you watch the video? The whole thing is bizarre. Another weird thing about the Cawthorn tale is he said he went to a casino in St. Petersburg. Gambling is illegal in most of Russia. There aren't any (legal) casinos in St. Petersburg.
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malchior wrote: Mon Dec 27, 2021 6:49 pm
Grifman wrote: Mon Dec 27, 2021 5:47 pm
malchior wrote: Mon Dec 27, 2021 2:16 pm Yo this Cawthorn thing just stepped up to a new level of crazy. It's always Russians with these guys. Nothing says totes legit than perhaps being suckered into a meeting with a Putin approved mail order bride.
Where are you getting this from? He met a US Army captain while vacationing in Leningrad and became friends. That guy later introduced him to his future wife in Miami. She’s an American, not Russian.

https://www.the-sun.com/news/1739608/ma ... stina/amp/
Indeed on Chapman. Did you watch the video? The whole thing is bizarre. Another weird thing about the Cawthorn tale is he said he went to a casino in St. Petersburg. Gambling is illegal in most of Russia. There aren't any (legal) casinos in St. Petersburg.
Well, I think Grifman's question (which I share) is whether we know more about this than just from this 77 second video. Just going by the video it certainly seems weird (who introduces someone to a girl by inviting someone in a wheelchair to a fake CrossFit competition?), but that Russia has a tangential involvement in Cawthorn's story isn't a ton to go on in terms of jumping to the conclusion that his soon-to-be ex-wife was part of a Russian intelligence operation.

Not disagreeing or something, just wondering if there's more info on this.
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El Guapo wrote: Mon Dec 27, 2021 9:28 pm Well, I think Grifman's question (which I share) is whether we know more about this than just from this 77 second video. Just going by the video it certainly seems weird (who introduces someone to a girl by inviting someone in a wheelchair to a fake CrossFit competition?), but that Russia has a tangential involvement in Cawthorn's story isn't a ton to go on in terms of jumping to the conclusion that his soon-to-be ex-wife was part of a Russian intelligence operation.

Not disagreeing or something, just wondering if there's more info on this.
It does seem like a stretch to go from whatever the hell that story was to Russian espionage. It's just that the whole thing is so bizarre and he presents it in such a weird way that it's almost easier to believe that he was set up somehow.

So he went with his buddies on vacation to Sweden...or maybe Norway? Doesn't matter, the important part is that it's near Russia! So then they somehow finagled last-minute visas to Russia (which is NOT an easy thing to do), and he got on a 35-hour ferry ride despite being in pain and in a wheelchair. OK, sure. And then somehow he went to a casino, which have been illegal in St. Petersburg since 2009, and became such good friends with a random American that the aforementioned American made up a CrossFit competition as a fitting excuse to invite a paraplegic to Miami. Like...what???
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And keep in mind that several Russian experts were like...this is how that actually happens often. Not this specific scheme of course but more they are opportunistic. That is the thing people don't really understand. They are always watching and they take their shots.
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El Guapo wrote: Mon Dec 27, 2021 9:28 pmNot disagreeing or something, just wondering if there's more info on this.
Totally. I'm skeptical myself and it's more a joke on that front even if there is a small chance. The wife thing is probably a nothingburger but the story itself has holes that I hope have been or are being investigated.
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What was Cawthorn's status when he met his new best bro in St. Petersburg? Was he already claiming political ambitions, or was he just a college dropout with 30 accusations of sexual harassment to his name?

I'm very skeptical about leaping to conclusions of espionage, but it's certainly the case that foreigners visiting Russia are snooped and evaluated. That's what an otherwise-illegal foreigner-friendly casino in St. Petersburg is *for*.
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Holman wrote: Tue Dec 28, 2021 10:27 am What was Cawthorn's status when he met his new best bro in St. Petersburg? Was he already claiming political ambitions, or was he just a college dropout with 30 accusations of sexual harassment to his name?
At the very least he was a staffer in Mark Meadow's House office prior to Trump's election. The time frame for this was during the Trump Presidency and he had political ambitions. The type of guy they target.
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malchior wrote: Tue Dec 28, 2021 8:29 am
El Guapo wrote: Mon Dec 27, 2021 9:28 pmNot disagreeing or something, just wondering if there's more info on this.
Totally. I'm skeptical myself and it's more a joke on that front even if there is a small chance. The wife thing is probably a nothingburger but the story itself has holes that I hope have been or are being investigated.
Yeah, it's an incredible weird story, for sure.
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"Liberal" traps seem to be in vogue these days, especially with the rightier wing pols. Not saying that's what this is, but my Spidey sense is tweaking.

Speaking of that whatever happened to that weird business with the guy from Florida with the most punchable face on the planet? FBI, underage stuff, Florida....it's all a toxic soup in my memory.
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Carpet_pissr wrote: Tue Dec 28, 2021 1:27 pmSpeaking of that whatever happened to that weird business with the guy from Florida with the most punchable face on the planet? FBI, underage stuff, Florida....it's all a toxic soup in my memory.
He's powerful and wealthy (well his dad is at least). That's all you need to know to suss out how it is turning out. (Though there is noise that pressure is ramping up but I wouldn't hold your breath).
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That's the sad part about how Republicans are turning out... They are going all in on "newspeak", and that's among the 14 signs of facism by Umberto Eco (yes, the author) from a while back.
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malchior wrote: Tue Dec 28, 2021 10:40 am
Holman wrote: Tue Dec 28, 2021 10:27 am What was Cawthorn's status when he met his new best bro in St. Petersburg? Was he already claiming political ambitions, or was he just a college dropout with 30 accusations of sexual harassment to his name?
At the very least he was a staffer in Mark Meadow's House office prior to Trump's election. The time frame for this was during the Trump Presidency and he had political ambitions. The type of guy they target.
I don’t understand any of this. The kind of guy who targets? The Russians? Where do they fit in here? There’s no mention or suggestion of Russian involvement in that story whatsoever. The guy he met while in St. Petersburg? Not Russian. His soon-to-be ex-wife? Not Russian.

I hate Madison Cawthorn with the fire of a thousand suns, but this seems like a really stupid thing to latch on to as suspicious.

Hell, when I was in college in the mid 90s, I did a semester abroad in Sweden. For relatively poor foreign students, one of the greatest things we could do was take a cruise ship from Stockholm to Helsinki to St. Petersburg. It was insanely cheap, all our food was covered in the ticket price, and there was a casino on the ship where we could play blackjack and lose any money saved by taking such a cheap trip.

Those cruise ships are still operating today and are still really popular. I don’t see anything suspicious here.
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Kurth wrote: Wed Dec 29, 2021 1:31 am
malchior wrote: Tue Dec 28, 2021 10:40 am
Holman wrote: Tue Dec 28, 2021 10:27 am What was Cawthorn's status when he met his new best bro in St. Petersburg? Was he already claiming political ambitions, or was he just a college dropout with 30 accusations of sexual harassment to his name?
At the very least he was a staffer in Mark Meadow's House office prior to Trump's election. The time frame for this was during the Trump Presidency and he had political ambitions. The type of guy they target.
I don’t understand any of this. The kind of guy who targets? The Russians? Where do they fit in here? There’s no mention or suggestion of Russian involvement in that story whatsoever. The guy he met while in St. Petersburg? Not Russian. His soon-to-be ex-wife? Not Russian.
This glosses over a bunch of the mechanisms at play here. People of any importance (if they get identified) are targeted and often tempted with drugs, women/men, gambling, etc. It is what the Russians do. They build webs of compromised people. Especially anyone who might be useful later. The story about the American officer is a possibly a truth is stranger than fiction story. However, you'd have to rely on Cawthorn's characterization of him as an American officer. That doesn't mean he was an American. There is no name attached for us to cross-reference. Cawthorn however mentioned meeting this person at what would have likely had to be an illegal casino in St. Petersburg. That's the rabbit hole for investigation. It's probably nothing and the wife thing especially is probably a nothing burger as mentioned but I hope it was investigated. That's all I'm saying.
I hate Madison Cawthorn with the fire of a thousand suns, but this seems like a really stupid thing to latch on to as suspicious.
The multiple national security people saying...we'd investigate this probably disagree. My boss and I talked about this for instance. He is ex-FBI (and fairly high up in the chain) and his take was along these lines. He has told several stories over time that indicate they often take this type of stuff seriously. They have vast resources and they can afford to chase down "stupid" stuff like this. The non-classified terrorism stuff he could share about what his team investigated is white knuckle stuff alone. And other times they went on wild goose chases for reasons that can only happen because people are bad at communicating. Still they investigate leads like this because when they pan out they can have far reaching national security consequences.

But to get specific, Cawthorn's value for targeting would be that the Russians would be potentially at the time compromising a staffer in a Congressman's office. That alone is worth taking a shot since they might be able to get some inside information. That doesn't mean it happened though Cawthorn does have a habit of oddly praising the Russians. However that also easily could just be him mirroring Trump behaviors.
Those cruise ships are still operating today and are still really popular. I don’t see anything suspicious here.
But that isn't what he said. If he said he gambled on the ship that'd be a whole lot less interesting.
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