Lars Werewolf Game 3: [Game is ended]

pr0ner · Post by **pr0ner** » Thu Oct 12, 2006 10:20 am

*sighs*

The Meal · Post by **The Meal** » Thu Oct 12, 2006 10:21 am

So that's it then? Well played, gang.

~Neal

pr0ner · Post by **pr0ner** » Thu Oct 12, 2006 10:22 am

The Meal wrote:So that's it then? Well played, gang.

~Neal

I think so.

Mr Bubbles · Post by **Mr Bubbles** » Thu Oct 12, 2006 10:26 am

pr0ner wrote:
The Meal wrote:So that's it then? Well played, gang.

~Neal
I think so.

I promise to make it quick.

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Thu Oct 12, 2006 10:29 am

It's all done but the Lars summary. And hopefully after that comes, someone will explain to me what happened. I've been lost for so long.

Crux · Post by **Crux** » Thu Oct 12, 2006 10:30 am

You all suck.

noxiousdog · Post by **noxiousdog** » Thu Oct 12, 2006 10:30 am

Excellent game. I wish I could have participated more, but on some level I'm glad I died early

Leigh · Post by **Leigh** » Thu Oct 12, 2006 10:34 am

noxiousdog wrote:Excellent game. I wish I could have participated more, but on some level I'm glad I died early

Dying early was the only way to remain sane.
I mean, look at Mortis.
Before this game started, he was a pillar of society.
*Dabs the drool from LM'es face with his bib*
Well, at least we can still get him to wear a bib...

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Thu Oct 12, 2006 10:39 am

Leigh wrote:I mean

I mortis.

*fumbles desperately to work this into something where he can type "There Castle" and fails.*

Really, the drool is just the anticipation for the meat straight off of Bakhtosh' bones. I'm practicing my Pavlovian responses. Thanx for the bib ghost lady.

Leigh · Post by **Leigh** » Thu Oct 12, 2006 10:40 am

LordMortis wrote:
Leigh wrote:I mean
I mortis.

I sorry.

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Thu Oct 12, 2006 10:42 am

Leigh wrote:
LordMortis wrote:
Leigh wrote:I mean
I mortis.
I sorry.

Lars · Post by **Lars** » Thu Oct 12, 2006 10:46 am

Current vote count:

Bakhtosh - Kraegor
LordMortis - Bakhtosh
Mark
Mr Bubbles - Bakhtosh
ezmate - Bakhtosh
Kraegor - Bakhtosh
pr0ner - ezmate

Vote tally
Bakhtosh - 4
Kraegor - 1
ezmate - 1

Votes needed for lynching: 4

ezmate · Post by **ezmate** » Thu Oct 12, 2006 10:51 am

My tail is wagging!

Hurry Lars, hurry! Give us the snack! Give us the damned snack!

Lars · Post by **Lars** » Thu Oct 12, 2006 10:51 am

Bakhtosh is led up to the gallows. Will this be the final dying breath for Watch Hill? The villagers waited in breathless anticipation as Bakhtosh is strung up by his neck until dead.

And they waited………..

Unfortunately for those innocents that are left, Bakhtosh was not a Werewolf!

The villagers go to bed that night, knowing that their doom is at hand.

As the moon rises to it’s apex, the sounds of multiple doors can be heard smashing open. Howls rend the night air. A hint of boastfulness can be detected in the wailing, by those who take the time to listen. The night of the wolves had arrived, and their feast could no longer be delayed.

The door to proner’s room explodes in a flurry of splinters. The 3 wolves rush into the room, and tear proner to pieces in moments. Instead of satisfying their blood lust, it only increases it to another level.

Mark is found pulling out a knife as his door explodes inwards. The knife may as well have been a lollipop. Mark is torn asunder before he can even bring the knife to bear against the lycanthropes. His screams end quicker than a knat’s fart.

The wolves rush out from Mark’s room to find their last victim. LordMortis, having heard the screams, walked out to the village proper and prostrated himself, waiting for his rebirth as a werewolf.

“Yes, my lords. I have sewn confusion among these people to protect your identities. It’s now time for my payment!”

LordMortis’ last vision on this plane is a large, bloody maul descending rapidly onto his face.

Congrats to the wolves (and the sorcerer), as they have won the game.

1. Bakhtosh - Lynched
2. Soulbrother#1 - Eaten
3. zoltaire - Lynched
4. yossar - Lynched
5. Nameless - Lynched, WEREWOLF
6. tru1cy - Eaten
7. Crux - Lynched
8. LordMortis
9. Mark
10. Grundbegriff - Eaten
11. Orinoco - Lynched
12. Mr Bubbles
13. noxiousdog - Eaten
14. msteelers - Lynched
15. ezmate
16. Genghis - Lynched
17. Remus West - Eaten
18. Leigh - Eaten
19. Kraegor
20. pr0ner
21. Chaosraven - Eaten
22. UsulofDoom - Eaten

Mr Bubbles · Post by **Mr Bubbles** » Thu Oct 12, 2006 10:53 am

Now the suspense for who had what roles.. I can't wait to find out when we offed each...

Leigh · Post by **Leigh** » Thu Oct 12, 2006 10:56 am

I always thought Bakhtosh was the hunter.
Does Mark's reaching for his knife mean he was the hunter?
I also always thought that Mr. Bubbles was the priest until last night.
I was guessing until the very end.

Lars · Post by **Lars** » Thu Oct 12, 2006 10:56 am

Now, for the pulling back of the curtain. Here were the roles that were assigned.

Werewolves: Nameless, Mr Bubbles, ezmate, Kraegor
Sorcerer: LordMortis

Seer: Soulbrother#1
Werewolf Hunter: Orinoco
Masons: Remus West, noxiousdog, UsulofDoom
Priest: yossar
Medium: tru1cy

This how the game progressed, from first night to last:

Night 1

LordMortis (Sorcerer) asks: Is noxiousdog a werewolf?
Soulbrother#1 (Seer) asks: Is LordMortis a werewolf?
Orinoco (Werewolf Hunter) protects Grundbegif.
yossar (Priest) does nothing, as no one was dead yet.

noxiousdog (Mason) is eaten

Day 1

yossar (Priest) is lynched

Night 2

LordMortis (Sorcerer) asks: Is Grundbegrif a werewolf?
Soulbrother#1 (Seer) asks: Is Nameless a werewolf?
Orinoco (Werewolf Hunter) protects Crux.
yossar (Priest) does nothing, as he is really, really dead.

Chaosraven (Innocent) is eaten

Day 2

zoltaire (Innocent) is lynched

Night 3

LordMortis (Sorcerer) asks: Is Genghis a werewolf?
Soulbrother#1 (Seer) asks: Is UsulofDoom a werewolf?
Orinoco (Werewolf Hunter) protects Remus West.

Leigh (Innocent) is eaten

Day 3

Orinoco (Werewolf Hunter) is lynched

Night 4

LordMortis (Sorcerer) asks: Is Grundbegrif the seer?
Soulbrother#1 (Seer) asks: Is Bahktosh a werewolf?
Orinoco (Werewolf Hunter) protects nobody. He’s dead.

Grundbegrif (Innocent) is eaten

Day 4

msteelers (Innocent) is lynched

Night 5

LordMortis (Sorcerer) asks: Is pr0ner a werewolf?
Soulbrother#1 (Seer) asks: Is Genghis a werewolf?

Soulbrother#1 (Seer) is eaten

Day 5

Genghis (Innocent) is lynched

Night 6

LordMortis (Sorcerer) asks: Is LordMortis the sorcerer?
Soulbrother#1 (Seer) asks: nothing, he’s dead.

UsulofDoom (Mason) is eaten

Day 6

Nameless (Werewolf) is lynched

Night 7

LordMortis (Sorcerer) asks: Is Bakhtosh a werewolf?

Remus West (Mason) is eaten

Day 7

Crux (Innocent) is lynched

Night 8

LordMortis (Sorcerer) asks: Is ezmate a werewolf?

tru1cy (Medium) is eaten

Day 8

Bakhtosh is lynched

ezmate · Post by **ezmate** » Thu Oct 12, 2006 11:09 am

Lars wrote: Night 6

LordMortis (Sorcerer) asks: Is LordMortis the sorcerer?

Kraegor · Post by **Kraegor** » Thu Oct 12, 2006 11:11 am

ezmate wrote:
Lars wrote: Night 6

LordMortis (Sorcerer) asks: Is LordMortis the sorcerer?

yeah that's just wrong.

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Thu Oct 12, 2006 11:11 am

Lars wrote:LordMortis’ last vision on this plane is a large, bloody maul descending rapidly onto his face.

Awwww, man. *kicks a stone and slumps*

ezmate · Post by **ezmate** » Thu Oct 12, 2006 11:12 am

LordMortis wrote:
Lars wrote:LordMortis’ last vision on this plane is a large, bloody maul descending rapidly onto his face.[/i]

Awwww, man. *kicks a stone and slumps*

*Burp*

msteelers · Post by **msteelers** » Thu Oct 12, 2006 11:17 am

Wait...where's my list...ah

msteelers on Oct. 2 wrote:ezmate
Genghis
Kraegor
Proner

In that order.

50% correct based off of hunches. I'll just go ahead and pat myself on the back. Thank you

I was way off on Nameless at the time, although it became apparent he was a wolf the next day and certainly the day after.

And I never would have guessed Mr. Bubbles.

I thought from the beginning Leigh was the hunter, I was wrong on that one too. It looks like we got a combination of lynching two specials early and excellent play by the wolves. Even though Nameless was eventually lynched, he made an excellent move.

And Lord Mortis played a very good game as the sorcerer. Even though everyone had him "locked up," they still listened to him, which boggled my mind. We knew he was evil, and yet he still influenced some votes. Well done.

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Thu Oct 12, 2006 11:19 am

Damn it. ezmate's posts the day after you guys killed me made me sure he was a wolf and I had already decided Kraegor had to be one. Sadly we still would have lost because I would have merely replaced Mr Bubbles with ezmate on my list and still went after Crux.

Grundbegriff · Post by **Grundbegriff** » Thu Oct 12, 2006 11:20 am

Mr Bubbles wrote:

Heh.

Hey, I boiled the water and poured. It's not my fault that somebody neglected to remove the bag....

Congratulations, Werewolves. Well played!

Time for the POSTMORTEM!

msteelers · Post by **msteelers** » Thu Oct 12, 2006 11:21 am

By the way, this was the best game I have played yet. With everything out in the open it created a great atmosphere. Even the one game I played where I was the seer, everything I did was behind the scenes. In this one you had to be careful what you post, and also scrutinize everyone else's posts for clues and hints as to what their true nature was.

It was great and I highly recomment keeping the PM feature limited to just the masons and wolfs.

msteelers · Post by **msteelers** » Thu Oct 12, 2006 11:23 am

Grundbegriff wrote: Hey, I boiled the water and poured. It's not my fault that somebody neglected to remove the bag....

Congratulations, Werewolves. Well played!

Time for POSTMORTIFICATION!

Dammit!! Your list is better than mine

Kraegor · Post by **Kraegor** » Thu Oct 12, 2006 11:23 am

nicely played mortis.

Grund was simply acting as bait. go figure. 3 village seers. 1 sorc.

there were several points where the village got hit hard. funny how even as a wolf i had no idea who the true specials were. the early outing of the masons... netting zero effect because we waited so long before we even bothered to attack it. If SB#1 had waited one more day before coming forward...things coulda been a lot closer....

Mason kill on night 1.
Priest day 1.

Target is hamstrung

WW hunter dead on day 3.

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Thu Oct 12, 2006 11:24 am

msteelers wrote:And Lord Mortis played a very good game as the sorcerer.

I played a crappy game which is why I was so confused about continuing to live. I never knew what was going on ever. So much so, that I figured if were lynching inocents then why break a perfect streak. I didn't really want to know what was going on until Nameless claimed to be the seer and it was either over right then or he was a wolf. And then when he didn't get lynched on the spot and I still didn't get lynched my brains started spilling out of my ears.

And I had a total hoot. I totally can't do another one of these except that I think I can count on getting killed early to shut me up next time.

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Thu Oct 12, 2006 11:26 am

Kraegor wrote: If SB#1 had waited one more day before coming forward...things coulda been a lot closer....

The only thing I can think is that he thought he was going to be eaten that night. I don't think so but you would have a better knowledge of that than me, so....was he a target for you or was the popular "lynch soulbrother#1" movement going to keep you off of him?

Kraegor · Post by **Kraegor** » Thu Oct 12, 2006 11:27 am

my own misconceptions...

1) LM, Remus, Grund: CSI Werewolf
2) Grund...is the sorceror...wtf is LM doing...
3) Grund's Revelation Day...(vocal Birth of the "block")
4) Wolves... breathe collective...oh shit!!
-- Grund is a liability too much direction...LM comes forward as obvious sorc candidate ---
5) Nameless announces seer...SB#1 comes forward...
-- I wanted to Kill Remus here but was outvoted for SB#1 ---
6) Nameless is still alive because of LM
7) LM outs me and then completely makes certain that the names "near" mine look more guilty. brilliant.
8) Nameless lead to the lynchin post...
9) Eat Remus to end his pain (mercy killing, really!). Crux hangs.
10) Wolves win.

3 wolves + LM and Nameless dead.

ezmate · Post by **ezmate** » Thu Oct 12, 2006 11:28 am

Remus West wrote:Damn it. ezmate's posts the day after you guys killed me made me sure he was a wolf and I had already decided Kraegor had to be one. Sadly we still would have lost because I would have merely replaced Mr Bubbles with ezmate on my list and still went after Crux.

Yeah, I wasn't super-subtle in my lynching of Crux. I just needed to get the job done...I was surprised nobody else called for my death after that...

Kraegor · Post by **Kraegor** » Thu Oct 12, 2006 11:29 am

Remus West wrote:
Kraegor wrote: If SB#1 had waited one more day before coming forward...things coulda been a lot closer....
The only thing I can think is that he thought he was going to be eaten that night. I don't think so but you would have a better knowledge of that than me, so....was he a target for you or was the popular "lynch soulbrother#1" movement going to keep you off of him?

I did not consider him a target at all at that point. I just figured Nameless was using him as lynch bait. He only became a "target" when he tried to ruin Nameless' good name by sayin "where wolf".

edit: I also figured SB#1 was lying. My goal was to have Nameless and SB#1 debate it out as seer. But the others decided SB#1 was supper.

msteelers · Post by **msteelers** » Thu Oct 12, 2006 11:31 am

LordMortis wrote:
msteelers wrote:And Lord Mortis played a very good game as the sorcerer.
I played a crappy game which is why I was so confused about continuing to live. I never knew what was going on ever. So much so, that I figured if were lynching inocents then why break a perfect streak. I didn't really want to know what was going on until Nameless claimed to be the seer and it was either over right then or he was a wolf. And then when he didn't get lynched on the spot and I still didn't get lynched my brains started spilling out of my ears.

And I had a total hoot. I totally can't do another one of these except that I think I can count on getting killed early to shut me up next time.

Well whatever you intended to do your posts did exactly what the sorcerer is supposed to do. You spread confusion and had people voting with you EVEN THOUGH everyone knew you were either a wolf or a sorcerer.

And up until this point the sorcerer had been almost a useless character. But in this game I think you were very influential in getting innocents strung up.

ezmate · Post by **ezmate** » Thu Oct 12, 2006 11:32 am

msteelers wrote:By the way, this was the best game I have played yet. With everything out in the open it created a great atmosphere. Even the one game I played where I was the seer, everything I did was behind the scenes. In this one you had to be careful what you post, and also scrutinize everyone else's posts for clues and hints as to what their true nature was.

It was great and I highly recomment keeping the PM feature limited to just the masons and wolfs.

I agree 100%. This was so fun...you always had to read & always had to think.

Mr Bubbles · Post by **Mr Bubbles** » Thu Oct 12, 2006 11:39 am

LM you might not always know what was going on but I think you and Nameless have a lot to do with the game being won as well as Ezmate leading on like being the priest.. I changed jobs halfway through this game and couldn't participate as much as I wanted... but once participation was down didn't want to step it up to look suspicious. Was a brilliant game and was even more fun being a wolf since you have more insight on the lynching process.

Couldn't help but laugh when Grund got so close on the list to getting everyone minus Ezmate. We lynched and that list became history. That was a happy day.

Grundbegriff · Post by **Grundbegriff** » Thu Oct 12, 2006 11:54 am

Mr Bubbles wrote:Couldn't help but laugh when Grund got so close on the list to getting everyone minus Ezmate.

And as I told Lars in private, I suspected ezmate only after it was too late, and couldn't make a case against him when I was building my list.

(I also suspected Crux, and couldn't make a case against him. I chose to include Crux rather than ezmate on a gut hunch that didn't pay off.)

As I mentioned to Leigh in PM, ezmate seemed extremely innocent-- so much so that it would be shocking to discover that he was a werewolf. That fact itself-- that I would've been shocked to learn of his guilt-- was the thing that most nagged at me. Well done, ezmate!

We lynched and that list became history. That was a happy day.

I still don't understand why nobody on the village team discussed my list after I was killed for it. The idea that lists could get a person into trouble was certainly floating around (e.g., Leigh's list). I had even demonstrated my good faith (the evening I sensed I was going to die) by trying to exonerate innocents (Genghis, Soulbro) and by outing Nameless.

Any feedback on why my list was dropped would be most welcome!

ezmate · Post by **ezmate** » Thu Oct 12, 2006 11:56 am

So, Lord Mortis, you ask why we didn't kill the known voting block? I was the main one pushing for this strat, so I'll explain my thinking:

Since this game didn't allow PM'ing, the block was pretty darned neutered. In my mind, the only thing it did was remove 3 more people from the list of possible werewolves. We never dreamed that Remus would be so good at his job!

With so many people (18) alive, the odds of finding a werewolf went from 22% (4 in 18) to 27% (4 in 15). Nothing to get worked up about.

Furthermore, everytime we killed a "trusted" (Remus, Usul, or Tru1cy), the seer was gaining one more piece of information. At best, he was just replacing one of the above with a new name. At worst, he was finding wolves. In my mind, the Seer had to die at all costs.

Finally, I calculated the odds at the time & found that in 3 turns, we'd have a 50% chance of killing the sorcerer by blind luck. By the 4th turn it increased to 70% or something crazy. Also, we had the benefit of possibly killing the Priest or the Hunter. Little did I know that they were already dead.

I knew that at a certain point, we'd have to give up on the seer (hoping he was dead) & start eating masons.

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Thu Oct 12, 2006 12:02 pm

ezmate wrote:We never dreamed that Remus would be so good at his job!

I would like to take this moment to point out that I repeatedly ask folks to vote their own minds and not follow blindly after me. I practically begged for it. The few turns in which people debated my choices instead of piling on them were the only turns I learned anything. I had told everyone that I was guessing. Yes, I was guessing badly but when it has been repeatedly demonstrated that I do not even really try to kill the bad guys until I think I have them all why would you follow me so quickly.

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Thu Oct 12, 2006 12:04 pm

ezmate wrote:So, Lord Mortis, you ask why we didn't kill the known voting block? I was the main one pushing for this strat, so I'll explain my thinking:

Since this game didn't allow PM'ing, the block was pretty darned neutered. In my mind, the only thing it did was remove 3 more people from the list of possible werewolves. We never dreamed that Remus would be so good at his job!

With so many people (18) alive, the odds of finding a werewolf went from 22% (4 in 18) to 27% (4 in 15). Nothing to get worked up about.

Furthermore, everytime we killed a "trusted" (Remus, Usul, or Tru1cy), the seer was gaining one more piece of information. At best, he was just replacing one of the above with a new name. At worst, he was finding wolves. In my mind, the Seer had to die at all costs.

Finally, I calculated the odds at the time & found that in 3 turns, we'd have a 50% chance of killing the sorcerer by blind luck. By the 4th turn it increased to 70% or something crazy. Also, we had the benefit of possibly killing the Priest or the Hunter. Little did I know that they were already dead.

I knew that at a certain point, we'd have to give up on the seer (hoping he was dead) & start eating masons.

It totally worked and every one believes the same thing. I just can't get it past my thick skull. I've got no ah-ha moment that says to me that 3 knowns isn't more dangerous than potentially having a guy die who might be dead and if alive might be choosing to view people who are going to die anyway. Just like I can't understand why Nameless wasn't killed when he came out and why I wasn't killed along time ago.

I work with a lot of faulty assumptions, I guess. *shrug*