Kerry to Concede at 1pm

Crabbs · Post by **Crabbs** » Wed Nov 03, 2004 12:07 pm

http://abcnews.go.com/

Post by **godhugh** » Wed Nov 03, 2004 12:08 pm

God, I hope he doesn't.

I don't think Ohio will change hands, but he made a promise to not conceed until all the votes are counted and he needs to stand by it.

This really sucks...

Austin · Post by **Austin** » Wed Nov 03, 2004 12:09 pm

godhugh wrote:God, I hope he doesn't.

I don't think Ohio will change hands, but he made a promise to not conceed until all the votes are counted and he needs to stand by it.

This really sucks...

Flip-flop. Actually I am kidding. I think it is the classy thing to do.

Crabbs · Post by **Crabbs** » Wed Nov 03, 2004 12:10 pm

Well I bet on the losing Pony again....

But I think this concession is a good move in light of the popular vote margin. Samething should have been done in 2000

Zaxxon · Post by **Zaxxon** » Wed Nov 03, 2004 12:13 pm

Kudos to the man for realizing that the election is decided, and conceding rather than trying to drag things out as long as possible. My opinion of Kerry just rose a notch.

Ralph-Wiggum · Post by **Ralph-Wiggum** » Wed Nov 03, 2004 12:16 pm

They must have concluded that there aren't enough provisional ballots to change the outcome. Oh well, time to gear up for Hillary in 2008!

The Meal · Post by **The Meal** » Wed Nov 03, 2004 12:16 pm

Oh thank goodness. Even with the best-possible projections for uncounted Ohio ballots, Kerry doesn't seem to have a chance. Good call on conceeding before this could get tossed into the courts. IIRC, four years ago it wasn't the Gore camp who initiated the court proceedings, but (over)zealous supporters. Announcing a concession speach and allowing for a peaceful and legitimate announcement of the president elect is the right thing to do.

Sucks, though, as I've wanted to cling to hope that we'd be seeing our 44th president come January.

~Neal

Dirt · Post by **Dirt** » Wed Nov 03, 2004 12:17 pm

That's if they don't change the 2 term limit. It's bad to change the leadership in times of war.

Crabbs · Post by **Crabbs** » Wed Nov 03, 2004 12:18 pm

Ralph-Wiggum wrote:They must have concluded that there aren't enough provisional ballots to change the outcome. Oh well, time to gear up for Hillary in 2008!

This would be a HUGE mistake for the dems. Unless the Repubs put dick cheney out there.

How about McCain vs Hillary. I'd vote McCain all the way, hell I'd vote McCain vs almost anyone, but I doubt he'll ever get that far since he is so anti-special interest.

Eco-Logic · Post by **Eco-Logic** » Wed Nov 03, 2004 12:21 pm

I agree Zaxxon.

Post by **godhugh** » Wed Nov 03, 2004 12:22 pm

Crabbs wrote:
Ralph-Wiggum wrote:They must have concluded that there aren't enough provisional ballots to change the outcome. Oh well, time to gear up for Hillary in 2008!
This would be a HUGE mistake for the dems. Unless the Repubs put dick cheney out there.

How about McCain vs Hillary. I'd vote McCain all the way, hell I'd vote McCain vs almost anyone, but I doubt he'll ever get that far since he is so anti-special interest.

I'd bet Guiliani runs for the Reps in 2008.

We might get that Clinton - Guiliani race after all

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PR_GMR · Post by **PR_GMR** » Wed Nov 03, 2004 12:24 pm

Kudos to the man for realizing that the election is decided, and conceding rather than trying to drag things out as long as possible. My opinion of Kerry just rose a notch.

My thoughts exactly. He should concede gracefully. He gave it his best. Let the country heal and move on. 8)

Ralph-Wiggum · Post by **Ralph-Wiggum** » Wed Nov 03, 2004 12:24 pm

I'm telling you, a Clinton - Obama ticket is going to rule!

Dirt · Post by **Dirt** » Wed Nov 03, 2004 12:25 pm

PR_GMR wrote:
Kudos to the man for realizing that the election is decided, and conceding rather than trying to drag things out as long as possible. My opinion of Kerry just rose a notch.
My thoughts exactly. He should concede gracefully. He gave it his best. Let the country heal and move on. 8)

Healing will come based on what Bush does, not if Kerry concedes. Bush, IMHO, has done little to unite the nation.

noxiousdog · Post by **noxiousdog** » Wed Nov 03, 2004 12:26 pm

Dirt wrote:
PR_GMR wrote:
Kudos to the man for realizing that the election is decided, and conceding rather than trying to drag things out as long as possible. My opinion of Kerry just rose a notch.
My thoughts exactly. He should concede gracefully. He gave it his best. Let the country heal and move on. 8)
Healing will come based on what Bush does, not if Kerry concedes. Bush, IMHO, has done little to unite the nation.

That's an odd thing to say. He received the first majority vote in 12 years.

is_dead · Post by **is_dead** » Wed Nov 03, 2004 12:27 pm

I think Kerry should just declare victory. Say something like "they forgot to include the secret ballot". No offence, but Americans would fall for it (present company excepted of course). Imagine Cloetus from the Simpsons: "I guess I din't know about it cause its secret".

The Preacher · Post by **The Preacher** » Wed Nov 03, 2004 12:31 pm

noxiousdog wrote:
Dirt wrote:
PR_GMR wrote:
Kudos to the man for realizing that the election is decided, and conceding rather than trying to drag things out as long as possible. My opinion of Kerry just rose a notch.
My thoughts exactly. He should concede gracefully. He gave it his best. Let the country heal and move on. 8)
Healing will come based on what Bush does, not if Kerry concedes. Bush, IMHO, has done little to unite the nation.
That's an odd thing to say. He received the first majority vote in 12 years.

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CeeKay · Post by **CeeKay** » Wed Nov 03, 2004 12:31 pm

Kerry should go concede, get drunk and bang the Bush twins.

Padre · Post by **Padre** » Wed Nov 03, 2004 12:34 pm

Well, it's definitely over.

BBC is reporting Kerry has conceded to Bush by phone call.

Dogstar · Post by **Dogstar** » Wed Nov 03, 2004 12:36 pm

Noxious-

You must live in a different country than I do. People on both sides, while glad the campaign is over, remain as divided as they were pre-election. The country IS massively polarized -- discussions about the candidates were far more acrimonious than they were in 2000, friends actually came to blows, family members got into disputes so that they didn't talk to each other for extended periods of time. And that was just my experience and what I witnessed. I agree that Kerry conceding is the smart thing to do -- the Dems. aren't going to win points by dragging this out, and it's just about mathematically impossible for Kerry to win even with the provisional/absentee ballots. What Kerry's concession does is prevent the split from becoming more severe (if that's possible). Uniting the country is entirely up to Bush, which he's failed to do in the three years since 9/11 (the last time I think we can agree that the country was united together). As such, I have little hope that with the Reps. picking up more seats in Congress and without the fear of having to win re-election that he'll be motivated to try to bridge that chasm.

Debris · Post by **Debris** » Wed Nov 03, 2004 12:37 pm

I now have a little bit of respect for the man.

noxiousdog · Post by **noxiousdog** » Wed Nov 03, 2004 12:40 pm

AndyM wrote:Noxious-

You must live in a different country than I do.

Of course I do. I live in Texas

Dirt · Post by **Dirt** » Wed Nov 03, 2004 12:41 pm

noxiousdog wrote:
AndyM wrote:Noxious-

You must live in a different country than I do.
Of course I do. I live in Texas

Where everything is Bush.

Steron · Post by **Steron** » Wed Nov 03, 2004 12:42 pm

I think it's the classy thing to do. I just gained some more respect for Senator Kerry. He's doing the right thing. Most people (experts and otherwise) think there is no way he can win Ohio.

Thanks for not dragging it out Mr. Kerry.

Freezer-TPF- · Post by **Freezer-TPF-** » Wed Nov 03, 2004 12:42 pm

Ralph-Wiggum wrote:I'm telling you, a Clinton - Obama ticket is going to rule!

Why not Palmer - Bauer?

Austin · Post by **Austin** » Wed Nov 03, 2004 12:43 pm

Dirt wrote:
noxiousdog wrote:
AndyM wrote:Noxious-

You must live in a different country than I do.
Of course I do. I live in Texas
Where everything is Bush.

And mechanical bulls!

Dogstar · Post by **Dogstar** » Wed Nov 03, 2004 12:45 pm

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=s ... eepandwide

Not sure how much faith we should be placing in exit polls these days, but this illustrates what I'm talking about.

RunningMn9 · Post by **RunningMn9** » Wed Nov 03, 2004 12:46 pm

noxiousdog wrote:That's an odd thing to say. He received the first majority vote in 12 years.

16 years. Clinton didn't get a majority in 92. The last majority was had by Bush Elder in 88.

But I don't think that qualifies Bush as being a "uniter". It qualifies Rove as a damn good "get out the vote" operative.

And edit on the "It's up to Bush to unite us" issue. He certainly has a large role to play in that - but his role is not nearly as large as OUR role is in that. We need to be willing to be united without needing 3000 of our citizens murdered as a catalyst.

Until we are ready to be united, no President is going to make that happen. And certainly not in the climate that has existed in Washington over the past 4 years (the fault of both sides of the aisle).

Padre · Post by **Padre** » Wed Nov 03, 2004 12:53 pm

What are you guys talking about with regard to a majority vote? The popular vote? Wha?

Freezer-TPF- · Post by **Freezer-TPF-** » Wed Nov 03, 2004 12:57 pm

Padre wrote:What are you guys talking about with regard to a majority vote? The popular vote? Wha?

Over 50% of the popular vote.

Padre · Post by **Padre** » Wed Nov 03, 2004 12:58 pm

Erm.... didn't Clinton get that in '96?

EDIT: Ooops, forgot about the Perot factor. Yeah, not for 16 years. Interesting that third part candidates polled so little of the vote this time,

qp · Post by qp » Wed Nov 03, 2004 12:59 pm

Padre wrote:What are you guys talking about with regard to a majority vote? The popular vote? Wha?

Do to the electoral college system it is easy to become president and still have less than half of the voters nationwide vote for you.

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Wed Nov 03, 2004 1:01 pm

Ralph-Wiggum wrote:They must have concluded that there aren't enough provisional ballots to change the outcome. Oh well, time to gear up for Hillary in 2008!

I think in their own best interests they should try to spend the next four years trying to gear up to win.

Eco-Logic · Post by **Eco-Logic** » Wed Nov 03, 2004 1:09 pm

qp wrote:
Padre wrote:What are you guys talking about with regard to a majority vote? The popular vote? Wha?
Do to the electoral college system it is easy to become president and still have less than half of the voters nationwide vote for you.

So winning both is a pretty big deal nowadays

Koz · Post by **Koz** » Wed Nov 03, 2004 1:11 pm

Not if there's no viable third party candidate which there was with Perot back in the Clinton days.

The Mad Hatter · Post by **The Mad Hatter** » Wed Nov 03, 2004 1:15 pm

[quote="godhugh"]

I'd bet Guiliani runs for the Reps in 2008.

quote]

Nope. The man is a pro-choice social moderate, that would be one helluva kick in the teeth to the GOP base. The evangelicals have been key to Bush winning these past two elections, no way would they take that lying down.

Padre · Post by **Padre** » Wed Nov 03, 2004 1:25 pm

Freezer-TPF- wrote:
Ralph-Wiggum wrote:I'm telling you, a Clinton - Obama ticket is going to rule!
Why not Palmer - Bauer?

I'm hopeful for Bartlett - Hoynes myself...

Dirt · Post by **Dirt** » Wed Nov 03, 2004 1:25 pm

It's going to be Jeb Bush in 2008.

jblank · Post by **jblank** » Wed Nov 03, 2004 1:31 pm

Ralph-Wiggum wrote:They must have concluded that there aren't enough provisional ballots to change the outcome. Oh well, time to gear up for Hillary in 2008!

If you want us to beat the GOP candidate in '08, you better hope she isnt the candidate.

The Preacher · Post by **The Preacher** » Wed Nov 03, 2004 1:34 pm

jblank wrote:
Ralph-Wiggum wrote:They must have concluded that there aren't enough provisional ballots to change the outcome. Oh well, time to gear up for Hillary in 2008!
If you want us to beat the GOP candidate in '08, you better hope she isnt the candidate.

So are you officially a Democrat now? (Not that I am indicting you, as you probably know) I inferred that it was more of a temporary "anti-Bush" thing.

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