That is not dead which can eternal lie, and with strange aeons bring us some web forums whereupon we can gather
http://octopusoverlords.com/forum/
The board can fire him. I've hoped for it for some time personally. As to his demand? It's ridiculous but he is an utterly silly person at this point. He is erratic at best and just the way he did it undermines the case (if it was a serious one). There is also the possibility he just did it so that he can bask in adoration as his moronic base showers his with praise.
Social media has also probably persuaded Musk that Tesla's customer base is personally loyal to him.malchior wrote: ↑Tue Jan 16, 2024 12:35 pmI think his invasion of social media has stressed his finances. Mostly in the sense that he can't do whatever he wants without limit at least. Increasing his stock in something actually valuable would offset some the of cash and net worth burn caused by owning the libs.LawBeefaroni wrote: ↑Tue Jan 16, 2024 12:22 pm He's a petulant man child. His greatest value to Tesla is his personality cult and ability to bullshit fraudulently, seemingly without consequences. I'm sure the board would be overjoyed with him keeping himself occupied outside of Tesla. Is he getting bored with Twitter or something?
I bought the second Tesla with great hesitance. I love the car, but hate the man. Visionary leaders tend to also be massive assholes it seems, but some are much less in your face about it.Holman wrote: ↑Tue Jan 16, 2024 7:17 pmSocial media has also probably persuaded Musk that Tesla's customer base is personally loyal to him.malchior wrote: ↑Tue Jan 16, 2024 12:35 pmI think his invasion of social media has stressed his finances. Mostly in the sense that he can't do whatever he wants without limit at least. Increasing his stock in something actually valuable would offset some the of cash and net worth burn caused by owning the libs.LawBeefaroni wrote: ↑Tue Jan 16, 2024 12:22 pm He's a petulant man child. His greatest value to Tesla is his personality cult and ability to bullshit fraudulently, seemingly without consequences. I'm sure the board would be overjoyed with him keeping himself occupied outside of Tesla. Is he getting bored with Twitter or something?
This isn't true (bots don't buy automobiles), but narcissists gonna narcissist.
This. I'm absolutely sure I support a large number of narcissistic assholes by buying products where the money goes directly into their pockets. Luckily for both of us, they hide their terrible personalities and keep them out of our business transactions.coopasonic wrote: ↑Tue Jan 16, 2024 10:17 pm I bought the second Tesla with great hesitance. I love the car, but hate the man. Visionary leaders tend to also be massive assholes it seems, but some are much less in your face about it.
Thanks for sharing this. It’s a nice read. And I also learned a couple things.Holman wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2024 11:21 am Few things are more pleasurable than a longish, well-written bad review of a very bad book.
Here's one that skewers Walter Isaacson's fanboy biography of Elon Musk.
It also contains some significant points about Musk that I didn't know. (Spoiler: they don't make him look good.)
He (briefly) banned a slew of critics just a few days ago.
I do not understand anyone doing anything that will make this asshole one more dime. He's so bad.Unagi wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2024 3:59 pmThanks for sharing this. It’s a nice read. And I also learned a couple things.Holman wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2024 11:21 am Few things are more pleasurable than a longish, well-written bad review of a very bad book.
Here's one that skewers Walter Isaacson's fanboy biography of Elon Musk.
It also contains some significant points about Musk that I didn't know. (Spoiler: they don't make him look good.)
And yes. He’s more horrible than I thought.
What, and I mean this sincerely, in the actual fuck?In an escalation of a standoff over her firing from The Mandalorian, Gina Carano is suing Disney and Lucasfilm for discrimination and wrongful termination in a lawsuit that opens another front in the battlefield for influence over Hollywood that has drawn in corporate America.
Carano, in a complaint filed Tuesday in California federal court, alleges she was fired for voicing right-wing opinions on social media and seeks a court order that would force Lucasfilm to recast her. Elon Musk, making good on a promise to foot the legal bill for users who claim they have been discriminated against due to their activity on his platform, is helping fund the suit through X.
According to the complaint, Disney and Lucasfilm harassed and defamed Carano for refusing to conform with their viewpoints on issues relating to Black Lives Matter, preferred pronouns and disproven claims of election interference. While she was allegedly fired for her cultural and religious beliefs, Carano argues that the entertainment giant turned a blind eye to her male co-stars, who allegedly made offensive and denigrating posts directed toward Republicans. She points to Pedro Pascal’s 2017 post comparing former President Donald Trump to Hitler.
It’s fashionable among tech bro billionaires to sue for things like this these days.Smoove_B wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2024 10:11 pm Had to re-read this like 4 times to make sure I understood it. I am posting it on this side of the fence because of the issues associated with the lawsuit:
What, and I mean this sincerely, in the actual fuck?In an escalation of a standoff over her firing from The Mandalorian, Gina Carano is suing Disney and Lucasfilm for discrimination and wrongful termination in a lawsuit that opens another front in the battlefield for influence over Hollywood that has drawn in corporate America.
Carano, in a complaint filed Tuesday in California federal court, alleges she was fired for voicing right-wing opinions on social media and seeks a court order that would force Lucasfilm to recast her. Elon Musk, making good on a promise to foot the legal bill for users who claim they have been discriminated against due to their activity on his platform, is helping fund the suit through X.
According to the complaint, Disney and Lucasfilm harassed and defamed Carano for refusing to conform with their viewpoints on issues relating to Black Lives Matter, preferred pronouns and disproven claims of election interference. While she was allegedly fired for her cultural and religious beliefs, Carano argues that the entertainment giant turned a blind eye to her male co-stars, who allegedly made offensive and denigrating posts directed toward Republicans. She points to Pedro Pascal’s 2017 post comparing former President Donald Trump to Hitler.
Well, she was in seven episodes, so that's $175,000 over two seasons, not counting the bonus. And that kind of work is not a full-time job by any means, so she's free to take other roles in other shows simultaneously. (Plus she's now part of the right-leaning media ecosystem, no doubt making money on appearances and events thereby.)waitingtoconnect wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2024 4:25 pmIt’s fashionable among tech bro billionaires to sue for things like this these days.Smoove_B wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2024 10:11 pm Had to re-read this like 4 times to make sure I understood it. I am posting it on this side of the fence because of the issues associated with the lawsuit:
What, and I mean this sincerely, in the actual fuck?In an escalation of a standoff over her firing from The Mandalorian, Gina Carano is suing Disney and Lucasfilm for discrimination and wrongful termination in a lawsuit that opens another front in the battlefield for influence over Hollywood that has drawn in corporate America.
Carano, in a complaint filed Tuesday in California federal court, alleges she was fired for voicing right-wing opinions on social media and seeks a court order that would force Lucasfilm to recast her. Elon Musk, making good on a promise to foot the legal bill for users who claim they have been discriminated against due to their activity on his platform, is helping fund the suit through X.
According to the complaint, Disney and Lucasfilm harassed and defamed Carano for refusing to conform with their viewpoints on issues relating to Black Lives Matter, preferred pronouns and disproven claims of election interference. While she was allegedly fired for her cultural and religious beliefs, Carano argues that the entertainment giant turned a blind eye to her male co-stars, who allegedly made offensive and denigrating posts directed toward Republicans. She points to Pedro Pascal’s 2017 post comparing former President Donald Trump to Hitler.
It’s also fashionable to cancel conservative celebrities. But her behaviour was beyond this.
Her case does highlight how little supporting actors get paid though. She was only paid $25,000 an episode and for a $5,000 bonus later.
Actor's get paid so little by streaming services now and residuals are non existent so most whom achieve fame need second jobs. Very common for an actor who’s prominent in a Netflix series to be working in a bar in LA most of the time.
Was she actually disciplined for what she posted, or is she simply claiming that she was? There are plenty of valid reasons for not hiring someone other than finding their politics to be objectionable.waitingtoconnect wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2024 7:47 pm in fairness her costars were not fired or disciplined for making comparisons between the holocaust and immigration detention thus exposing a double standard.
It's only a double standard if the actions/comments were equivalent. They weren't, so this isn't really a "both sides" moment.waitingtoconnect wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2024 7:47 pm Yea thats a fair call but my point is that the studio has massive power over her and in fairness her costars were not fired or disciplined for making comparisons between the holocaust and immigration detention thus exposing a double standard.
False. His shares in tesla are about 90%of his wealth AFAIK. Even without the pay package increasing those.LordMortis wrote:He won't care about TSLA unless investors give him another $60 billion in dilution of their of their shares. It's not worth it to him. Hasn't he been crystal clear through his magaphone on that?
I'm not talking about the pay package (which I don't find as out there as others do, given what it was predicated on, even with an overly friendly board). I'm talking about:Pyperkub wrote: ↑Thu Feb 08, 2024 4:44 pmFalse. His shares in tesla are about 90%of his wealth AFAIK. Even without the pay package increasing those.LordMortis wrote:He won't care about TSLA unless investors give him another $60 billion in dilution of their of their shares. It's not worth it to him. Hasn't he been crystal clear through his magaphone on that?
Tesla and SpaceX CEO Elon Musk, who also owns the social network X (formerly known as Twitter), said Monday that he wants about 25% of voting control over his electric vehicle business.
Musk already owns around 13% of Tesla
, or approximately 411 million shares of the company’s 3.19 billion shares in common stock outstanding, as reported in the company’s last financial filing for the third quarter of 2023.
That’s a large stake, especially considering that Musk sold tens of billions of dollars worth of his shares in Tesla in 2022, largely to finance a $44 billion leveraged buyout of Twitter.
Now, Musk is angling for even more control over Tesla.
Specifically, Musk wrote on Monday, “I am uncomfortable growing Tesla to be a leader in AI & robotics without having ~25% voting control. Enough to be influential, but not so much that I can’t be overturned.”
“Unless that is the case, I would prefer to build products outside of Tesla,” the billionaire executive said on X.
I'm pretty sure they've always been able to terminate you for any reason, including "the writers are bored with your character."Blackhawk wrote: ↑Thu Feb 08, 2024 3:23 pm I assume that there is a clause in every actor's/actress's contract these days stating that outside actions that cast a negative light on the production and/or studio are grounds for termination.
I suppose the argument then would be whether her comments were objectively negative.
In his mind that isn't racism. To Musk, it's the protections that are racism.waitingtoconnect wrote: ↑Thu Feb 08, 2024 7:00 pm Personally whatever you might think about Disney Musk is being totally hypocritical here. His companies have been accused of racism, he has sacked workers for unionising at Tesla, his companies have been accused of sacking people who raised sexual harassment complaints, and he has sacked people for critiquing him. He has even pushed the Supreme Court to cancel many federal protections in the workplace; including the one he is using to sue Disney with right now.
It turns out that in addition to his manic tweeting about various hot button issues, Elon Musk is involved in a lot of specific legal disputes with the federal government where he'll get a lot more money if Trump wins.
This is a deep state smear against the future Transportation Secretary.