Re: NCAA Football 2023
Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2024 6:24 pm
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He did a lot better than people give him credit for the first time around - he was destroyed by the Dolphins not signing Drew Brees and instead going with Culpepper.Carpet_pissr wrote: ↑Wed Jan 10, 2024 6:25 pm ...and will be joining the Carolina Panthers as their new head coach!!
From Alabama insiders, kiffin has a lot of baggage. I like him but he apparently needs handlers to keep him out of trouble. Lanning may be here for interview only to get a raise from Oregon. We'll see.Apollo wrote:I think Lane Kiffin would have been a better choice but Lanning was the safe pick.
Agreed.
anything more would be R&P...“Nick Saban for US Senate. Save us from Tommy Tuberville one more time”
I should be clear.
Won't it be safer for Lanning or DeBoer to coach at Alabama instead of having to face Michigan next year and in B1G Championships?ImLawBoy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2024 10:06 am Who would want the job to replace Saban? It's hard enough replacing a long-time successful coach, but replacing the one who is generally considered the greatest of all time? It's not like Alabama is guaranteed to keep humming along at the same rate - they've had fallow periods in the past. Just look at the period immediately prior to Saban. I would think a lot of coaches will get raises/extensions out of this but will ultimately stay in a safer situation.
[sweet summer child]Such a lawyer/strategic view on something that should simply be judged on the deed itself. [/sweet summer child]ImLawBoy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2024 10:06 am When the news was leaking out I mentioned that whoever was doing the leaking - and we may never know who it was (*cough*Ohio State*cough* *cough*Ryan Day*cough*) was doing a masterful job with the slow leaks that dramatized the situation and kept the hits coming. Turns out they should have waited until after the season was over. Because it came out when it did, Michigan faced the tough part of its schedule with everyone aware of it and able to adapt. Had they leaked it now, though, people would be able to still viably claim the scheme gave Michigan some sort of edge that tainted its wins.
Got it. We're at the ad hominem point in the discussion where you call me dishonest.Unagi wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2024 10:42 amI should be clear.
I think Michigan was the best team this year and 'deserves' the title.
My point is this: If I were on that team, I would be pissed as hell that the leadership of the program went out and did illegal pre-game scouting. It puts a legitimate shadow on what should have been just an epic year and an unimpeachable right to the national title.
Any honest Michigan fan would agree.
I don't think any of those players feel like there is a taint on this title. I'm not a player so I don't know this for certain but I would be shocked if any of them are pissed at team leadership or sitting with their heads in their hands lamenting that they have an ill-gotten title.Unagi wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2024 10:42 amI should be clear.
I think Michigan was the best team this year and 'deserves' the title.
My point is this: If I were on that team, I would be pissed as hell that the leadership of the program went out and did illegal pre-game scouting. It puts a legitimate shadow on what should have been just an epic year and an unimpeachable right to the national title.
Any honest Michigan fan would agree.
the vacate/asterisk crowd is stupid (I didn't even know of any, but knowing sports, I'm sure there are some). The sign stealing was essentially in prior year(s), and in no way impugns this year's team and their accomplishments, especially with how much of a cakewalk the non-con was as it was breaking. there would have been an argument if Michigan had won it last year, but not this year.ImLawBoy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2024 10:06 am Who would want the job to replace Saban? It's hard enough replacing a long-time successful coach, but replacing the one who is generally considered the greatest of all time? It's not like Alabama is guaranteed to keep humming along at the same rate - they've had fallow periods in the past. Just look at the period immediately prior to Saban. I would think a lot of coaches will get raises/extensions out of this but will ultimately stay in a safer situation.
Meanwhile, tough night for the Vacate/Asterisk crowd:
Investigation continues, but this doesn't sound like someone inclined to cast doubt on the legitimacy of the championship. I'm guessing there will be some final punishment for coaches/staff, and maybe some minor punishments for the program in terms of scholarships or a fine. I'd guess show causes for Stalions and Partridge (LB coach) and time served for Harbaugh, but maybe that's just me being wishful. NCAA typically only vacates for use of ineligible players, and we haven't seen any indication that players were ineligible, so that should be that.Spoiler:
When the news was leaking out I mentioned that whoever was doing the leaking - and we may never know who it was (*cough*Ohio State*cough* *cough*Ryan Day*cough*) was doing a masterful job with the slow leaks that dramatized the situation and kept the hits coming. Turns out they should have waited until after the season was over. Because it came out when it did, Michigan faced the tough part of its schedule with everyone aware of it and able to adapt. Had they leaked it now, though, people would be able to still viably claim the scheme gave Michigan some sort of edge that tainted its wins.
For the next couple years Oregon and Washington will consider 10 win seasons a success. Whoever takes over at Alabama better be in the semifinals every other year at worst.DOS=HIGH wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2024 10:45 amWon't it be safer for Lanning or DeBoer to coach at Alabama instead of having to face Michigan next year and in B1G Championships?ImLawBoy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2024 10:06 am Who would want the job to replace Saban? It's hard enough replacing a long-time successful coach, but replacing the one who is generally considered the greatest of all time? It's not like Alabama is guaranteed to keep humming along at the same rate - they've had fallow periods in the past. Just look at the period immediately prior to Saban. I would think a lot of coaches will get raises/extensions out of this but will ultimately stay in a safer situation.
FWIW, Lanning appears to have said no:Scuzz wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2024 12:35 pmFor the next couple years Oregon and Washington will consider 10 win seasons a success. Whoever takes over at Alabama better be in the semifinals every other year at worst.DOS=HIGH wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2024 10:45 amWon't it be safer for Lanning or DeBoer to coach at Alabama instead of having to face Michigan next year and in B1G Championships?ImLawBoy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2024 10:06 am Who would want the job to replace Saban? It's hard enough replacing a long-time successful coach, but replacing the one who is generally considered the greatest of all time? It's not like Alabama is guaranteed to keep humming along at the same rate - they've had fallow periods in the past. Just look at the period immediately prior to Saban. I would think a lot of coaches will get raises/extensions out of this but will ultimately stay in a safer situation.
Amid rumors that Lanning was Alabama's top target to replace Nick Saban, the second-year Oregon coach announced Thursday that he has decided to stay in Eugene with the Ducks. The program released this video with a recruiting-focused message telling players Lanning would not be going anywhere for the foreseeable future.
Whoa, um - not really. First - I misread you and thought you knew I was speaking much more 'friendly' and informally than you are clearly taking it - and that's on me - so I apologize and will not assume that level of familiarity in the future. I'm honestly sorry.
There have been several national champions who have been accused of worse. USC with Reggie Bush, Auburn with Cam Newton, and of course the UCLA and North Carolina basketball teams. The only one to get in trouble was Reggie Bush, and he has turned out okay.Unagi wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2024 8:15 pmWhoa, um - not really. First - I misread you and thought you knew I was speaking much more 'friendly' and informally than you are clearly taking it - and that's on me - so I apologize and will not assume that level of familiarity in the future. I'm honestly sorry.
Second, I'm (obviously) not paying a ton of attention to the details about it all because I don't care all that much - for instance -> I don't even know what the "Vacate" crowd is. I mentioned the asterisk earlier (I assume it was mostly my term so if I accidentally mirrored some #asterisks movement, I didn't mean to) - as I do feel like their season has this mark on it. Is it a big deal, I suppose to you and to the team it isn't - I think if I was on the team, it would annoy the hell out of me that it happened in my big year. I don't know how that doesn't make sense to you, others, or everyone (that was my 'honest' comment - not a claim that you are dishonest).
Anyhow - sorry for ticking you off. Not my intention. Go Blue.
Tone is sometimes hard to read on a forum. I appreciate your clarification and apologize for assuming the worst instead of seeking clarification.Unagi wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2024 8:15 pmWhoa, um - not really. First - I misread you and thought you knew I was speaking much more 'friendly' and informally than you are clearly taking it - and that's on me - so I apologize and will not assume that level of familiarity in the future. I'm honestly sorry.
Second, I'm (obviously) not paying a ton of attention to the details about it all because I don't care all that much - for instance -> I don't even know what the "Vacate" crowd is. I mentioned the asterisk earlier (I assume it was mostly my term so if I accidentally mirrored some #asterisks movement, I didn't mean to) - as I do feel like their season has this mark on it. Is it a big deal, I suppose to you and to the team it isn't - I think if I was on the team, it would annoy the hell out of me that it happened in my big year. I don't know how that doesn't make sense to you, others, or everyone (that was my 'honest' comment - not a claim that you are dishonest).
Anyhow - sorry for ticking you off. Not my intention. Go Blue.
As indicated above, I think the 'vacate' crowd are pretty much only in the michigan/anti-michigan flame wars. I follow CFB pretty closely and haven't heard of anyone saying this is a thing.ImLawBoy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 12, 2024 10:32 amTone is sometimes hard to read on a forum. I appreciate your clarification and apologize for assuming the worst instead of seeking clarification.Unagi wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2024 8:15 pmWhoa, um - not really. First - I misread you and thought you knew I was speaking much more 'friendly' and informally than you are clearly taking it - and that's on me - so I apologize and will not assume that level of familiarity in the future. I'm honestly sorry.
Second, I'm (obviously) not paying a ton of attention to the details about it all because I don't care all that much - for instance -> I don't even know what the "Vacate" crowd is. I mentioned the asterisk earlier (I assume it was mostly my term so if I accidentally mirrored some #asterisks movement, I didn't mean to) - as I do feel like their season has this mark on it. Is it a big deal, I suppose to you and to the team it isn't - I think if I was on the team, it would annoy the hell out of me that it happened in my big year. I don't know how that doesn't make sense to you, others, or everyone (that was my 'honest' comment - not a claim that you are dishonest).
Anyhow - sorry for ticking you off. Not my intention. Go Blue.
The "vacate" crowd is the one that is saying that the NCAA is going to vacate/wipe away the last 3 years of wins and championships (3 Big Ten, 1 National). It's always been a specious argument since the NCAA typically only vacates wins or titles when ineligible players are involved. Since nothing in the sign stealing drama implicates player eligibility, wins/titles will not be vacated unless the NCAA is interested in setting a new precedent. Given the NCAA President's statement, it doesn't seem likely.
Alabama NIL will ensure the talent. Tho I don't know if Milroe will fit... But Rodgers will probably flip his qb commitment to UW.ImLawBoy wrote:Probably as good as they could have done. it'll be interesting to see what he can do with Alabama's talent level (and if he can keep that same level of talent coming).
It's about time Brent Brennan got promoted out of SJSU.