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Funny story - the Chiefs almost had to forfeit their game against the Patriots because their helmets were sent to the wrong location.

They made a backup plan to borrow the helmets of a high school team that had a similar helmet design, though ultimately they were able to re-rout their actual helmets in time for the game.
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naednek wrote: Mon Dec 16, 2019 2:16 pm Are all plays inside the 2 minutes reviewable by the ref's?
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During a scoring play (starting in 2011), turnovers (starting in 2012), or after the two-minute warning of each half, and in overtime, reviews can only take place if the replay assistant, who sits in the press box and monitors the network broadcast of the game, determines that a play needs review; coaches may not challenge during these times. In those cases, the replay assistant will contact the referee by a specialized electronic pager with a vibrating alert. If a review takes place during that time while the clock is running, the clock will stop for the review, and then it will start running once the ball is set and ready for play. Starting with the 2010 season (and later in 2017), any reviews with the clock running inside one minute (now inside the two-minute warning) will have a 10-second rundown, which can be voided if either team uses a timeout.
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The NFL replay system currently only covers the following situations:
  • Scoring plays
  • Pass complete/incomplete/intercepted
  • Runner/receiver out of bounds
  • Recovery of a loose ball in or out of bounds
  • Touching of a forward pass, either by an ineligible receiver or a defensive player
  • Quarterback pass or fumble
  • Illegal forward pass
  • Forward or backward pass
  • Runner ruled not down by contact
  • Forward progress in regard to a first down
  • Touching of a kick
  • Other plays involving placement of the football
  • Whether a legal number of players is on the field at the time of the snap
  • Ejections
  • Pass interference penalties (Starting in 2019 on a one-year basis, previously unreviewable)
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You gotta figure Brady is ready to pack it in after this season. I wonder if Belichik can win without him. He foolishly dissed Garoppolo who is rapidly becoming elite.
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Jaymann wrote: Mon Dec 16, 2019 2:34 pm You gotta figure Brady is ready to pack it in after this season. I wonder if Belichik can win without him. He foolishly dissed Garoppolo who is rapidly becoming elite.
Brady has said that his goal is to play until he is 45. Obviously that's subject to revision, but by all accounts Brady absolutely lives for football. So I think there's a reasonable chance that he'll have one or two depressing "Favre with the Jets" seasons in him before he retires.

As for Belichick, reporting from a few years ago was suggesting that he wanted to keep Garoppalo and ultimately replace Brady with him, but that Kraft insisted on sticking with Brady. I have no idea if that's accurate or not (IIRC all Patriots people denied it on the record), but that's what was being reported.
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El Guapo wrote: Mon Dec 16, 2019 2:24 pm
stessier wrote: Mon Dec 16, 2019 1:36 pm
LordMortis wrote: Mon Dec 16, 2019 1:34 pm
stessier wrote: Mon Dec 16, 2019 1:14 pm Unfortunately, the Bills beating the Patriots is probably not a very good barometer. It doesn't even decide the division (the Patriots just have to win one of Buffalo/Miami to claim the division and both are at home). I'm firmly in the one and done camp for the Patriots this year.
Local radio suggests the Pats are rubbish but if they get a buy, that extra week's rest, and an extra week of Belichick casting voodoo then all bets are off (literally). The belief is that you are still rubbish but no one is comfortable betting against you. If you don't get the buy, then you're just a place holder for a week.
The offense is rubbish. The defense is simply amazing. If they play a running team, they are toast. If they can get a big lead and force the other team to throw, though, all bets are off.
Mostly I'm just unsure how the Patriots could beat Baltimore. I don't think that they're a lock to beat any playoff team, but the defense is good enough to win them most games, especially if they get a break or two on offense. But it's really hard for me to see how they can beat Baltimore even on a good day.
Jackson would have to get hurt. Or the Pats score 21 early (1 offensive TD and 2 defensive scores on weird plays) and Baltimore gives up the run and goes pass happy.

I don't know how anyone beats Baltimore. This is their year.
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Jaymann wrote: Mon Dec 16, 2019 2:34 pm You gotta figure Brady is ready to pack it in after this season. I wonder if Belichik can win without him. He foolishly dissed Garoppolo who is rapidly becoming elite.
Brady is not the problem. He will be playing next year. I have no idea where.
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Jaymann wrote: Mon Dec 16, 2019 2:34 pm You gotta figure Brady is ready to pack it in after this season. I wonder if Belichik can win without him. He foolishly dissed Garoppolo who is rapidly becoming elite.
My memory is Belichick would gone the other way but that Brady is the orgnaization's man and has been a winner and the primary team spirit, so Belichick repeated the company line. Belichick had been grooming Garopolo and fallout/divide between Belichick and Brady was happening. Don't trust my memory though.
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naednek wrote: Mon Dec 16, 2019 2:16 pm First thing first, I know Julio Jone's catch was a TD as the ball cleared the plane. I'm not making excuses...

What's the rule for replays under 2 minutes?

My understanding is the following...

Coaches can't challenge inside the 2 minutes

All scoring plays are automatically reviewed.


Julio's catch wasn't ruled as a scoring play, it was initially ruled as being short down. Clock would have ran down to 0 before the next play. However ref's stopped the clock and reviewed and reversed the call (again I agree with the ruling, it was a TD)

My point though is that it wasn't a scoring play, it was ruled as being down. The previously play involoving hooper is a scoring play as it was initially ruled as a scoring play. It was reversed as he didn't maitained controlled.

Are all plays inside the 2 minutes reviewable by the ref's?

I'm more arguing the spirit of the rule, not whining about the outcome. Niners made some stupid moves in the last 3 minutes of the game and lost fair and square.
Scoring (and some other) plays are automatic. Other plays are at ref discretion:
A team that commits a foul that delays the next snap can no longer challenge the previous play. The non-fouling team can still challenge the previous play, and both teams can benefit from the review.
The Head Coach may challenge on-field rulings listed in Section 3, except for those plays that only the Replay Official can challenge (Article 2).
Each challenge requires an available team timeout. A team that is out of timeouts, or has used all its available challenges, may not attempt to initiate a challenge.
A team that initiates a challenge when the team is not permitted to challenge will be charged a team timeout.

Penalty: For initiating a challenge when a team has exhausted its timeouts: Loss of 15 yards enforced as a foul between downs.

If a challenge is unsuccessful, the team will be charged a timeout.
A team will be permitted a third challenge if it is successful on both of its challenges. A fourth challenge will not be permitted.
ARTICLE 2. REPLAY OFFICIAL REQUEST FOR REVIEW
Only the Replay Official or the Senior Vice President of Officiating or his or her designee may initiate a review of a play:

that begins after the two-minute warning of each half;
throughout any overtime period;
when points are scored by either team;
that is a Try attempt (successful or unsuccessful); and
when on-field officials rule:
an interception by an opponent;
a fumble or backward pass recovered by an opponent or that goes out of bounds through the opponent’s end zone;
a scrimmage kick touched by the receiving team and recovered by the kicking team; or
a disqualification of a player.

Such plays may be reviewed regardless of whether a foul is committed on the play that, if accepted, would negate the on-field ruling.

The Replay Official may only challenge a play until the next legal snap or kick. The Replay Official may consult with a designated member of the Officiating department at the league office regarding whether to challenge a play.
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So in short, yes, all plays in the final 2 minutes could be reviewed.
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naednek wrote: Mon Dec 16, 2019 2:16 pm First thing first, I know Julio Jone's catch was a TD as the ball cleared the plane. I'm not making excuses...

What's the rule for replays under 2 minutes?

My understanding is the following...

Coaches can't challenge inside the 2 minutes

All scoring plays are automatically reviewed.


Julio's catch wasn't ruled as a scoring play, it was initially ruled as being short down. Clock would have ran down to 0 before the next play. However ref's stopped the clock and reviewed and reversed the call (again I agree with the ruling, it was a TD)

My point though is that it wasn't a scoring play, it was ruled as being down. The previously play involoving hooper is a scoring play as it was initially ruled as a scoring play. It was reversed as he didn't maitained controlled.

Are all plays inside the 2 minutes reviewable by the ref's?

I'm more arguing the spirit of the rule, not whining about the outcome. Niners made some stupid moves in the last 3 minutes of the game and lost fair and square.
Yeah it's ref's decision, including New York refs on all plays within two minutes.
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Josh Gordon was just suspended again indefinitely for violating the drug policy. That really bums me out.
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stessier wrote: Mon Dec 16, 2019 5:26 pm Josh Gordon was just suspended again indefinitely for violating the drug policy. That really bums me out.
Yeah, me too. Also makes me suspect that the "showing up late for meetings" rationale for cutting Gordon was connected to suspicions that he might be using again.
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I really hope he can one day get the help he needs.
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pr0ner wrote: Mon Dec 16, 2019 5:35 pm I really hope he can one day get the help he needs.
I was going to say it will come with legalization but then I saw he got nailed for PEDs and multiple "substances of abuse." So yeah, hope he gets help.
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Fun storyline for this week's Bears-Chiefs game. While the Bears obviously wanted Mahomes in the draft a few years ago, they ended up having to settle for Trubisky. It'll be interesting to see how the two match up . . . .

Hang on. I'm being told Mahomes was still available when the Bears traded three draft picks to move up one spot to pick Trubisky. How odd.
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It is almost like you think it was a bad decision to trade all those assets away in return for Mitch. Puzzling.
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Look, I'm not second guessing anyone. When you have the opportunity to grab someone who started for an entire year at noted cradle of QBs North Carolina, you'd be foolish not to mortgage your future by trading away three draft picks to move up one spot to get him.
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He's a really nice guy. Lovely young man. Let's not forget that either in the whole assessment. Are those traded picks nice guys?
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Lawrence in 2021 is on the table!

Pasqualoni, to be made the fall guy for implementing Patricia's defense with Quinn's roster. Injuries to blame. :roll:

https://www.detroitlions.com/news/o-har ... 020-season

Sheila Ford Hamp said the decision to bring Quinn and Patricia back was not an easy one to make. There has been rampant speculation in recent weeks about Patricia’s job security, and also about Quinn’s to a lesser extent.

There have been some positive developments in this season – the fact that the team had the lead in the first 12 games being one of them – but they have been rightfully overshadowed by the win-loss record.

Among other things made clear in the meeting with the Fords and Wood were an acknowledgement of the negative impact roster-wide injuries have made on the team, the inability to hold leads and the expectation that Patricia will make changes in his staff of assistants.
There have been some positive developments in this season
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Holy cow - all the Saturday games are on the NFLN!!! Who thought this was a good idea??? Just horrible.
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stessier wrote: Wed Dec 18, 2019 12:36 pm Holy cow - all the Saturday games are on the NFLN!!! Who thought this was a good idea??? Just horrible.
Especially the New England-Buffalo game, that's going to be one you'll want to watch. A local bar perhaps?
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Lorini wrote: Wed Dec 18, 2019 12:50 pm
stessier wrote: Wed Dec 18, 2019 12:36 pm Holy cow - all the Saturday games are on the NFLN!!! Who thought this was a good idea??? Just horrible.
Especially the New England-Buffalo game, that's going to be one you'll want to watch. A local bar perhaps?
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Lorini wrote: Wed Dec 18, 2019 12:50 pm
stessier wrote: Wed Dec 18, 2019 12:36 pm Holy cow - all the Saturday games are on the NFLN!!! Who thought this was a good idea??? Just horrible.
Especially the New England-Buffalo game, that's going to be one you'll want to watch. A local bar perhaps?
Yeah, that's what I do. It's just not as comfortable as watching at home. I can't imagine the MIAvNE game will be on locally next week either, meaning three bar weeks in a row. Tough on the waist line too.
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Isgrimnur wrote: Wed Dec 18, 2019 12:52 pm
Lorini wrote: Wed Dec 18, 2019 12:50 pm
stessier wrote: Wed Dec 18, 2019 12:36 pm Holy cow - all the Saturday games are on the NFLN!!! Who thought this was a good idea??? Just horrible.
Especially the New England-Buffalo game, that's going to be one you'll want to watch. A local bar perhaps?
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stessier wrote: Wed Dec 18, 2019 12:55 pm As long as I can find a legal option, I avoid that.
As do I.
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A minor benefit of having your team eliminated from contention is not caring. More and more I am finding the 10 minute highlights suffice for any interesting game.
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Jaymann wrote: Wed Dec 18, 2019 1:30 pm A minor benefit of having your team eliminated from contention is not caring. More and more I am finding the 10 minute highlights suffice for any interesting game.
And now you know how the past couple decades have felt for some of us... (forever, for some others)
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Jaymann wrote: Wed Dec 18, 2019 1:30 pm contention
Could you define that for me please? I am unfamiliar with the word.
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Remus West wrote: Wed Dec 18, 2019 1:47 pm
Jaymann wrote: Wed Dec 18, 2019 1:30 pm contention
Could you define that for me please? I am unfamiliar with the word.
I'll use it in a sentence. "Many NFL teams enjoy playing the Detroit Lions, as the extra victory can help keep them in contention for a playoff spot."

Does that help?
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ImLawBoy wrote: Wed Dec 18, 2019 1:53 pm
Remus West wrote: Wed Dec 18, 2019 1:47 pm
Jaymann wrote: Wed Dec 18, 2019 1:30 pm contention
Could you define that for me please? I am unfamiliar with the word.
I'll use it in a sentence. "Many NFL teams enjoy playing the Detroit Lions, as the extra victory can help keep them in contention for a playoff spot."

Does that help?
Ahhhh. Now I get it. Its sort of the opposite of working for a better draft pick! Thats a concept I understand all to well. Although I should say "higher" rather than "better" given the outcomes of those picks.
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Remus West wrote: Thu Dec 19, 2019 8:56 am Ahhhh. Now I get it. Its sort of the opposite of working for a better draft pick! Thats a concept I understand all to well. Although I should say "higher" rather than "better" given the outcomes of those picks.
A "better draft" pick? You mean like going from 32 to 31? I don't see the appeal.
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stessier wrote: Wed Dec 18, 2019 12:55 pm
Lorini wrote: Wed Dec 18, 2019 12:50 pm
stessier wrote: Wed Dec 18, 2019 12:36 pm Holy cow - all the Saturday games are on the NFLN!!! Who thought this was a good idea??? Just horrible.
Especially the New England-Buffalo game, that's going to be one you'll want to watch. A local bar perhaps?
Yeah, that's what I do. It's just not as comfortable as watching at home. I can't imagine the MIAvNE game will be on locally next week either, meaning three bar weeks in a row. Tough on the waist line too.
I get chips and salsa and that seems to help with the weight gain.
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stessier wrote: Thu Dec 19, 2019 11:28 am
Remus West wrote: Thu Dec 19, 2019 8:56 am Ahhhh. Now I get it. Its sort of the opposite of working for a better draft pick! Thats a concept I understand all to well. Although I should say "higher" rather than "better" given the outcomes of those picks.
A "better draft" pick? You mean like going from 32 to 31? I don't see the appeal.
I know certain teams who'd be willing to give up three draft picks to move up that many slots in the draft!
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Jaguars
The Jacksonville Jaguars have announced the firing of executive vice president Tom Coughlin, just two days after the NFL Players Association went public with a breathtaking number of grievances filed against the team’s front office since the former coach’s hiring.
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In its letter, the NFLPA detailed a combative relationship with Coughlin’s front office over the Jaguars’ insistence, to the point of $700,000 in fines against former Jaguars defensive end Dante Fowler Jr., that injured players rehab with the team during the offseason. That was a clear violation of the league’s collective bargaining agreement.

The conduct of Coughlin’s front office was reportedly so toxic that more than 25 percent of player grievances filed in the past two years have been against the Jaguars.
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stessier wrote: Thu Dec 19, 2019 11:28 am
Remus West wrote: Thu Dec 19, 2019 8:56 am Ahhhh. Now I get it. Its sort of the opposite of working for a better draft pick! Thats a concept I understand all to well. Although I should say "higher" rather than "better" given the outcomes of those picks.
A "better draft" pick? You mean like going from 32 to 31? I don't see the appeal.
Wait. Why are you using 2 digits for the draft pick numbers? Now I'm confused again.
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Remus West wrote: Thu Dec 19, 2019 2:32 pm
stessier wrote: Thu Dec 19, 2019 11:28 am
Remus West wrote: Thu Dec 19, 2019 8:56 am Ahhhh. Now I get it. Its sort of the opposite of working for a better draft pick! Thats a concept I understand all to well. Although I should say "higher" rather than "better" given the outcomes of those picks.
A "better draft" pick? You mean like going from 32 to 31? I don't see the appeal.
Wait. Why are you using 2 digits for the draft pick numbers? Now I'm confused again.
What's a draft pick? :?
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It's ok, everyone can calm down - the Patriots won the AFC East again. We can all rest easy.
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Re: NFL 2019 - 20 Season

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The Bills are going to win at least one playoff games this year. Allen has really started to figure some things out.
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Re: NFL 2019 - 20 Season

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El Guapo wrote: Sun Dec 22, 2019 1:36 am It's ok, everyone can calm down - the Patriots won the AFC East again. We can all rest easy.
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Re: NFL 2019 - 20 Season

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Niners are going to have a rude awakening if they don't start getting back to the way they played earlier in the season.
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