BSG VI-II The Social -Cylons win in a rout

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Fri May 28, 2010 2:22 pm

Oh yeah, meant to post this too. Thank to stessier for generating all the voting records. That was very helpful. This game has provided a distinct lack of information because the resident information (or misinformation) players are all dead.

redrun · Post by **redrun** » Fri May 28, 2010 2:25 pm

theohall wrote:
If the shooter were converted, what is he waiting for?

-- An actual advantage for taking the shot:

shot today:
(day 3, 6 humans, 4 cylons)
at end of:
shot: 5 humans, 4 cylons
lynch: 5 humans, 3 cylons
night kill: 4 humans, 3 cylons.
We're still in the game, they've lost the shot & a vote.

theohall · Post by **theohall** » Fri May 28, 2010 2:29 pm

redrun wrote:
theohall wrote:
If the shooter were converted, what is he waiting for?
-- An actual advantage for taking the shot:

shot today:
(day 3, 6 humans, 4 cylons)
at end of:
shot: 5 humans, 4 cylons
lynch: 5 humans, 3 cylons
night kill: 4 humans, 3 cylons.
We're still in the game, they've lost the shot & a vote.

So the shot does not matter right now unless it's a Skinjob being shot.

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Fri May 28, 2010 2:41 pm

kenetickid ------- theohall
Chaosraven ------- redrun
theohall ------- Chaosraven
Unagi ------- redrun
semaj -------
stessier ------- Brendan
Scoop20906 ------- Chaosraven
Brendan ------- semaj
redrun ------- Chaosraven
Mr. Bubbles ------- redrun
tru1cy -------
Isgrimnur -------
Newcastle -------
Remus West -------
Grundbegriff -------
.
.
redrun ------- 3
Chaosraven ------- 3
semaj ------- 1
Brendan ------- 1
theohall ------- 1
-------

Majority is 6

Deadline is Wednesday June 2 9PM CDT

and one vote to kill the mod.

Kenetickid · Post by **Kenetickid** » Fri May 28, 2010 2:43 pm

theohall wrote:If Chaosraven turns up Cylon, it might just clear redrun. I have not been involved enough in games with redrun to get a read on him. If CR turns up Human and we lose, oh well. If he turns up human and we are still going, by all means, take out redrun.

Either way we can be safe in taking out Kenetickid.

Still persistent about taking me out huh Theo? I cna guarentee that if the humans want to win, taking me out is NOT something you want to do.

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Fri May 28, 2010 2:53 pm

I think Brendan and Kinetickid may want to rethink their choices.

withdraw Brendan

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Fri May 28, 2010 2:53 pm

Semaj, what are you waiting for to vote? Where is your threat matrix?

Semaj · Post by **Semaj** » Fri May 28, 2010 4:27 pm

stessier wrote:Semaj, what are you waiting for to vote? Where is your threat matrix?

A few more people to chime in, I figured Id have one up this weekend sometime.

Semaj · Post by **Semaj** » Fri May 28, 2010 4:29 pm

Although taking a note of the current voting trends (Chaos/Bubs/Unagi on redrun) (Redrun/Scoop/Theo on Chaos) really does make for an interesting discussion.

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Fri May 28, 2010 5:39 pm

I'm comfortable (as you put it) cuz I am a human with no info. I'm not going to meta ezmate why I haven't posted as much.

theohall · Post by **theohall** » Fri May 28, 2010 5:51 pm

Chaosraven wrote:I'm comfortable (as you put it) cuz I am a human with no info. I'm not going to meta ezmate why I haven't posted as much.

Yup. We are all humans with no info, apparently, except BrendAthena.

Gotta test someone.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Fri May 28, 2010 10:06 pm

Well, I just re-read the game here, and I feel pretty strongly that we should be testing redrun today. We don't want another miss, and redrun - well, the reasonings are a bit nuanced but he seemed to lay very low at first, and then suddenly sprang into action. Something changed for him during this game.

Also, Semaj is pinging my radar hard, based on his sober engagement of the game - seriously out of character. Like, enormously.
(Sorry Semaj, 'cocky' isn't the tell that I used to think you had, and I've dropped that old tell a number of games ago - as it had me lynching you as a villager at least twice)

Kinetikid: something seems 'fake' about a lot of his dialog, and I seriously think he was THRILLED that stessier wanted to lynch off Brendan today.

One of those three should be our lynch today.

I'd offer more thoughts on the others - but I'd rather not give too much info to our cylons, in the event I'm totally off on my top 3.
Everyone is still suspect, to me.

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Fri May 28, 2010 10:42 pm

Unagi wrote:I'd offer more thoughts on the others - but I'd rather not give too much info to our cylons, in the event I'm totally off on my top 3.
Everyone is still suspect, to me.

So you think Brendan is lying?

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Fri May 28, 2010 10:49 pm

Scoop20906 wrote:
Unagi wrote:I'd offer more thoughts on the others - but I'd rather not give too much info to our cylons, in the event I'm totally off on my top 3.
Everyone is still suspect, to me.
So you think Brendan is lying?

I think it's certainly possible, right ?
right?

And, we shouldn't really discuss Brendan all that much, today - IMO. and I'll unload the thoughts behind that opinion, should I be alive tomorrow.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Fri May 28, 2010 10:54 pm

Scoop, I should point out that my current top 3 are based on believing Brendan to be Athena. KK, for instance, would perhaps drop off my list of concerns if Brendan was an evil cylon, due to his joining stessier on the Brendan train. Likewise, if Brendan is lying - you and stessier climb right back up (not both though really, cause I can't believe a cylon would name both partners as Human scans).

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Fri May 28, 2010 11:06 pm

The raven has played it pretty cool.

While I can't see it I'm willing to be a follower.

withdrawal chaosraven

redrun

I don't think you are right about Semaj, tho.

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Fri May 28, 2010 11:17 pm

1515

The threats of killing Brendan died down after lunch. Most wanted to give him a chance but still no one trusted him enough to get near him. He sat alone at a table, raising his voice enough to be heard. When he gets up to get closer so they could hear him, everyone would shift to the other side of the room. But Brendan was fine with that because at the moment everyone's attention seemed to be focused on redrun.

kenetickid ------- theohall
Chaosraven ------- redrun
theohall ------- Chaosraven
Unagi ------- redrun
semaj -------
stessier -------
Scoop20906 ------- redrun
Brendan ------- semaj
redrun ------- Chaosraven
Mr. Bubbles ------- redrun
tru1cy -------
Isgrimnur -------
Newcastle -------
Remus West -------
Grundbegriff -------
.
.
redrun ------- 4
Chaosraven ------- 2
semaj ------- 1
-------
theohall ------- 1
-------

Majority is 6

Deadline is Wednesday June 2 9PM CDT

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Fri May 28, 2010 11:31 pm

clarification:

If someone fires the gun it will reveal who fired the gun not their specific role. So you would not know if it was Tyrol or someone else.

redrun · Post by **redrun** » Sat May 29, 2010 2:49 am

Scoop20906 wrote:The raven has played it pretty cool.

While I can't see it I'm willing to be a follower.

withdrawal chaosraven

redrun

I don't think you are right about Semaj, tho.

You can't convince Mr. Bubbles, a cylon, to vote for Chaos, a cylon, so you're going to take you cue from Unagi, a cylon. <sigh> If I post more it's out of character and looks guilty. If I post less, I guess I could lurk and watch Chaos, Mr. Bubbles and Unagi lead you to destruction - of course, we're one human vote away from that happening, so I dunno that I'd be watching for very long.

-- So, what would make you reconsider? That Chaos and Mr. Bubbles have regularly been on threat lists, and are now working together to get a kill? Unagi, suddenly coming active in the game and joining the train? Kenetickid, the person who has most been on 'might be cylon' lists staying out of this discussion? How about it Kenetickid, got a feeling on this?

-- I see us teetering on the edge of losing - or, strangely enough, winning. The problem is that it doesn't matter how sure I am of who the four cylons are - it's how to get folks to agree. Still, it isn't over yet, and I'm going to continue to hope for good to win.

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Sat May 29, 2010 5:25 am

Unagi wrote:Scoop, I should point out that my current top 3 are based on believing Brendan to be Athena. KK, for instance, would perhaps drop off my list of concerns if Brendan was an evil cylon, due to his joining stessier on the Brendan train. Likewise, if Brendan is lying - you and stessier climb right back up (not both though really, cause I can't believe a cylon would name both partners as Human scans).

Yeah, cause that's never happened before.

I think you are wrong about KK. He's playing very much like what I would expect.

Semaj is also not evil. He's just Semaj.

redrun would work, I suppose, but I think Chaos was a better choice for today.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Sat May 29, 2010 7:56 am

Yes, and you wanted Grund and Brendan lynched too.

Forgive me, dear stessier, for thinking your radar may be a bit miscalibrated right now.

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Sat May 29, 2010 8:11 am

Unagi wrote:Yes, and you wanted Grund and Brendan lynched too.

Forgive me, dear stessier, for thinking your radar may be a bit miscalibrated right now.

I never truly thought Grund was a Cylon. Didn't think he wasn't either. Just wanted to see what would happen. It was Day 1.

Brendan - I'm still not convinced he's Athena. Don't judge me on that one yet. (And if he is Athena, I get partial credit for finding a Special.

)

Funny you are bringing that one up. Know something we don't?

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Sat May 29, 2010 10:33 am

Lets just say I am testing a theory here redrun. Unagi hinted. I'm calling. Lets see if it was a bluff or not.

redrun · Post by **redrun** » Sat May 29, 2010 11:01 am

Scoop20906 wrote:Lets just say I am testing a theory here redrun. Unagi hinted. I'm calling. Lets see if it was a bluff or not.

-- Just remember these facts:

Five humans are dead.
Six humans, three cylons, and Tyrol.
Athena is the scanner for Tyrol - Brendan sez he hasn't found Tyrol. Tyrol isn't a found good.
Tryol, as a unfound good, is more danger to good then evil but still hasn't come forward. Tryol is probably evil.
That makes four cylons and six humans.
With four cylons and six humans a cylon faking Athena would give us a 'known cylon' (human of course) as a kill.
Human kill today, 5 humans left.
Human kill tonight, game over.

-- Also worth considering:

Cylons probably scanned Grund day one.
Grund was probably a special.
Chaos and Mr. Bubbles (and Theohall) were the ones who asked the human specials to come out today.
We're getting drive by posts from Chaos, Mr. Bubbles, and Kenetickid. Very little in the way of threat matrix, who did what, when, or why. Just a whole lot of "I've got a good feeling that redrun is bad".

The only Unagi bluff you're calling is whether or not he loaded the gun you're pointing at your own head.
It's loaded.

Brendan · Post by **Brendan** » Sat May 29, 2010 12:07 pm

redrun wrote:
-- Just remember these facts:

Five humans are dead.

Unless you're claiming Gaeta, you're making some major assumptions here. The bad guys may have killed Tyrol outright without scanning him. They may have killed Athena (which, yes, would mean I'm faking the role).

Are you claiming Gaeta? If not, the only ones who would know whether it's 100% dead humans are the evil cylons.

Or will you just say this is careless terminology at work?

Brendan · Post by **Brendan** » Sat May 29, 2010 12:10 pm

Holy excrutiating iPhone post.

Evidently Semaj revealed something?

withdraw Semaj

until I read through his post.

Semaj · Post by **Semaj** » Sat May 29, 2010 12:44 pm

Nah, I claim no special role.

I've been doing better at not snapping and getting myself killed as a good guy. As such i've died more at night, which is a nice change of pace. It's highly refreshing to know I can pretty much do my thing without too much fear of death due to voting during the day. And I will... I just accept the weekend means I can take my time and try to get it all done by monday (Huge reread or three...)

My goal is a solid semajaculation sometime soon.

theohall · Post by **theohall** » Sat May 29, 2010 12:48 pm

Brendan wrote:
redrun wrote:
-- Just remember these facts:

Five humans are dead.
Unless you're claiming Gaeta, you're making some major assumptions here. The bad guys may have killed Tyrol outright without scanning him. They may have killed Athena (which, yes, would mean I'm faking the role).

Are you claiming Gaeta? If not, the only ones who would know whether it's 100% dead humans are the evil cylons.

Or will you just say this is careless terminology at work?

What in the heck are you talking about? Athena's autopsy would show Cylon. Tyrol's autopsy would show Cylon. So if they killed those two already, we would have two Cylons being listed as dead, which we do not. Every death in this game has been human. So what in the heck are you smoking??

redrun · Post by **redrun** » Sat May 29, 2010 12:52 pm

Brendan wrote:
redrun wrote:
-- Just remember these facts:

Five humans are dead.
Unless you're claiming Gaeta, you're making some major assumptions here. The bad guys may have killed Tyrol outright without scanning him. They may have killed Athena (which, yes, would mean I'm faking the role).

Are you claiming Gaeta? If not, the only ones who would know whether it's 100% dead humans are the evil cylons.

Or will you just say this is careless terminology at work?

-- Yup, I'm just going to say careless terminology at work. I've been using human/cylon as short code for good/evil.

-- I'm not claiming any role. You do make a good point that I missed - I'd been thinking that Cylons would have played it safe and attempted to turn any specials they found (via Ellen) via a scan by D'anna (ie: each night kill would be the previous night's scan by D'anna to ensure they didn't kill Tyrol), however Remus was killed the first night and could have by Tyrol. At this point, I think it would be good if Remus was Tyrol - not due to the loss, but it'd put the balance at 7 human, 3 cylon. In this case, my death tonight would be ok - sure, we'd lose a human but the smoking gun would point at the evil cylons. The odds of Remus being Tyrol are pretty low (1/12), but it certainly is possible.

-- As for you faking the role... I just don't see it. A bad Cylon would have waited longer for more checkins before spoofing the role. A bad Cylon would have given us a lynch. A bad Cylon wouldn't be objecting to the use of 'human' for good and 'cylon' for evil - a good Cylon would.

theohall · Post by **theohall** » Sat May 29, 2010 12:53 pm

theohall wrote:
Brendan wrote:
redrun wrote:
-- Just remember these facts:

Five humans are dead.
Unless you're claiming Gaeta, you're making some major assumptions here. The bad guys may have killed Tyrol outright without scanning him. They may have killed Athena (which, yes, would mean I'm faking the role).

Are you claiming Gaeta? If not, the only ones who would know whether it's 100% dead humans are the evil cylons.

Or will you just say this is careless terminology at work?
What in the heck are you talking about? Athena's autopsy would show Cylon. Tyrol's autopsy would show Cylon. So if they killed those two already, we would have two Cylons being listed as dead, which we do not. Every death in this game has been human. So what in the heck are you smoking??

Nevermind. All the lynches were human .... dammit!

redrun · Post by **redrun** » Sat May 29, 2010 12:58 pm

theohall wrote:
What in the heck are you talking about? Athena's autopsy would show Cylon. Tyrol's autopsy would show Cylon. So if they killed those two already, we would have two Cylons being listed as dead, which we do not. Every death in this game has been human. So what in the heck are you smoking??

-- Knowledge. He's smoking knowledge. Now, if you could point us to an autopsy of a night kill I'd say something different.

Kenetickid · Post by **Kenetickid** » Sat May 29, 2010 1:41 pm

redrun wrote:
Scoop20906 wrote:The raven has played it pretty cool.

While I can't see it I'm willing to be a follower.

withdrawal chaosraven

redrun

I don't think you are right about Semaj, tho.
You can't convince Mr. Bubbles, a cylon, to vote for Chaos, a cylon, so you're going to take you cue from Unagi, a cylon. <sigh> If I post more it's out of character and looks guilty. If I post less, I guess I could lurk and watch Chaos, Mr. Bubbles and Unagi lead you to destruction - of course, we're one human vote away from that happening, so I dunno that I'd be watching for very long.

-- So, what would make you reconsider? That Chaos and Mr. Bubbles have regularly been on threat lists, and are now working together to get a kill? Unagi, suddenly coming active in the game and joining the train? Kenetickid, the person who has most been on 'might be cylon' lists staying out of this discussion? How about it Kenetickid, got a feeling on this?

-- I see us teetering on the edge of losing - or, strangely enough, winning. The problem is that it doesn't matter how sure I am of who the four cylons are - it's how to get folks to agree. Still, it isn't over yet, and I'm going to continue to hope for good to win.

withdraw Theohall

I have been staying out of hte discussion cause of a bunch of personal crap going on around the house. Havne't really had time to browse/re-read alot of what is going on. I may have jumped the Brendan train, but I did that out of my feelings that his reveal might have been a bit early. I jumped off that train cause I am still thinking that Theohall is playing the "Evil SOB". I just pulled that vote cause it seems like he isn't pinging anyone elses radar.

I have said before that this is my 2nd game playing (the first one dint even finish) and I don't really have anyones play styles down enough to make an informed descission.(sp) I have been trying to muddle over the information that others have been putting out and make some kind of a choice, but I have already made a couple of 'bad' choices so far and don't feal like making another so I will prolly be abstaining from this vote.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Sat May 29, 2010 1:47 pm

Scoop20906 wrote:Lets just say I am testing a theory here redrun. Unagi hinted. I'm calling. Lets see if it was a bluff or not.

Dude, Um, no - remove your vote if you are going to blame me later. I am hinting at nothing.

stessier wrote:Know something we don't?

Apparently one thing: ya don't test-lynch the guy that claims seer, on the day he claims seer.

theohall · Post by **theohall** » Sat May 29, 2010 1:56 pm

Unagi wrote:
Scoop20906 wrote:Lets just say I am testing a theory here redrun. Unagi hinted. I'm calling. Lets see if it was a bluff or not.
Dude, Um, no - remove your vote if you are going to blame me later. I am hinting at nothing.

stessier wrote:Know something we don't?
Apparently one thing: ya don't test-lynch the guy that claims seer, on the day he claims seer.

++

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Sat May 29, 2010 2:02 pm

Unagi wrote:
stessier wrote:Know something we don't?
Apparently one thing: ya don't test-lynch the guy that claims seer, on the day he claims seer.

well, ya do if it would prove anything and win ya the game.

"oh look, Brendan has been shown to be a Cylon... uh... now was he a Good Cylon or a Bad Cylon?"

Obviously this isn't that point.

=================================

redrun, you are all over the place.

-- Let's see. We've got four humans dead. We've got a good chance that we've lost at least one special. No toasters are dead.

-- Just remember these facts:

Five humans are dead.

-- Yup, I'm just going to say careless terminology at work. I've been using human/cylon as short code for good/evil.

So which is it, toaster? Four? Five? Rough to remember which it is? Go back to your forum and get your story straight.
Yeah, my vote stays where it is.

Brendan · Post by **Brendan** » Sat May 29, 2010 2:37 pm

Unagi wrote:
stessier wrote:Know something we don't?
Apparently one thing: ya don't test-lynch the guy that claims seer, on the day he claims seer.

Chaosraven's right - if we'd all learn something by lynching me today, then there would be value in it. But when I turn up cylon, we are still dependent on Gaeta coming forward with a scan result of me, and we don't even know if he's still alive, so worst case, we eliminate all future use of my ability, and we learn absolutely nothing (plus, you're just saving the bad dudes the trouble of killing me, and then can go happily on offing some other potential special.)

It just occurred to me that Gaeta could, I think, demonstrate that he's still alive by casting one of his super secret votes. If he thinks redrun is a cylon (and I'm about 70% of the way there), then he could cast the deciding vote via PM. As I read the rules, he wouldn't even necessarily have had to cast his public vote for the player. Lassr, is that right? Can Gaeta split his public/private vote?

And now that I re-re-think things, it's possible that Gaeta's already cast a secret vote on redrun, right? We've been idiots for assuming all along that N-1 was the state at which someone got to explain themselves. It really needs to be N-2.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Sat May 29, 2010 3:08 pm

redrun wrote:Unagi, suddenly coming active in the game and joining the train?

Nice try redrun. It's MY train that is running on you, not anyone elses.

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Sat May 29, 2010 4:12 pm

kenetickid -------
Chaosraven ------- redrun
theohall ------- Chaosraven
Unagi ------- redrun
semaj -------
stessier -------
Scoop20906 ------- redrun
Brendan -------
redrun ------- Chaosraven
Mr. Bubbles ------- redrun
tru1cy -------
Isgrimnur -------
Newcastle -------
Remus West -------
Grundbegriff -------
.
.
redrun ------- 4
Chaosraven ------- 2
-------
-------
-------
-------

Majority is 6

Deadline is Wednesday June 2 9PM CDT

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Sat May 29, 2010 4:20 pm

Brendan wrote:As I read the rules, he wouldn't even necessarily have had to cast his public vote for the player. Lassr, is that right? Can Gaeta split his public/private vote?

His extra vote would be secret and it can be cast on anyone.

theohall · Post by **theohall** » Sat May 29, 2010 4:55 pm

Kenetickid wrote: I have said before that this is my 2nd game playing (the first one dint even finish) and I don't really have anyones play styles down enough to make an informed descission.(sp) I have been trying to muddle over the information that others have been putting out and make some kind of a choice, but I have already made a couple of 'bad' choices so far and don't feal like making another so I will prolly be abstaining from this vote.

Says the Toaster who does not want to burn himself.