WW- Bond Epilogue - The Davos Initiative

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Mon Aug 30, 2010 8:35 am

Newcastle wrote:Mod note - I am going to be pretty busy the next couple of days with a couple of projects, so i might not get the write ups submitted to you folks in a quick enough time. be patient is all i am asking.

Thanks,
Management

I'll be patient as long as it doesn't take too long...

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Mon Aug 30, 2010 3:52 pm

Heh. How patient will you be if you get to N votes? LOL isgrimnur

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Mon Aug 30, 2010 5:29 pm

If you all are so convinced that I'm the Spectre agent, I might as well vote for a known good guy.

Unagi

Yeah, stupid me has decided to play the absolute worst wolf ever after doing so well at my last game.

I swear, how the hell did you guys make it past basic?

withdraw Unagi

I'll take time this evening and read over the thread and see if I can come up with something better. But I'm seriously considering going AWOL for a two-week leave in Straßburg.

Lagom Lite · Post by **Lagom Lite** » Mon Aug 30, 2010 6:38 pm

Isgrimnur wrote:If you all are so convinced that I'm the Spectre agent, I might as well vote for a known good guy.

Unagi

Yeah, stupid me has decided to play the absolute worst wolf ever after doing so well at my last game. I swear, how the hell did you guys make it past basic?

I've played plenty of poor games as a bad guy, especially following my good games as a bad guy. So that's no argument really. As for being "convinced", I'm not, but that post didn't help. If you are innocent, you can still fight with us. We might pull the votes off you, don't give up like theohall did.

But really, you are the prime radar pinger right now. That's why you're being voted for.

Newcastle · Post by **Newcastle** » Mon Aug 30, 2010 7:32 pm

5 votes for majority

MARKED FOR DEATH

Lassr (2): Msteelers, Isgrimnur,
Isgrinmur (3): Lagom Lite, Lassr, Chaosraven,

No Votes cast: Stessier, Unagi, Semaj,

If I missed anything please let me know

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Mon Aug 30, 2010 11:34 pm

Now that I've killed over an hour re-reading the thread, here are my thoughts:

1. Isgrimnur - I know I'm not evil. I haven't been devoting as much attention to the game as I should, and once the speculations and accusations started coming, I reacted badly. The unit deserves better from me, and for that I apologize. I hope it doesn't have too negative of an impact on my annual review.

3. stessier - Called for shooting Grund early, confident that he was evil when there was no information in evidence. Calls for shooting Remus during the arguments over our argument over the proper actions of Qantaga's information, agitated for Grund's death yet again and was in on the vote.

4. Chaosraven - lying very low overall, nothing really jumps out to me.

6. Lassr - Defends the shot (which I now believe to be the correct action). No real feelings of evil from him.

8. Lagom Lite - Early vote from Remus, voted for Remus, bantered with him, didn't appear in Remus's threat list despite the vote. Voted for Remus before the shot, but pulled it.

9. Unagi - Nice shot, mate.

10. Semaj - Lays low for Day 1 in a calculated strategy, has used his analytical play to cover his evil before, seems to be attempting to downplay it.

11. msteelers - Tried to pin me as evil early, had the kill vote on theohall, advocate for Remus lynch, stands behind that position, off voting against Lassr on the Grund vote

On the Remus lynch vote, you had me, LL, and msteelers at the time of the shot. I'm convinced there's a SPECTRE agent there, and I know it's not me. If there hadn't been at least one wolf on it, then all three spies could have voted when there were two agent votes there.

Given the early banter between Remus and LL, I was strongly suspecting a partnership there, but have pulled away from that with later LL posts.

My top three threats right now would be stessier being a public agitator, Chaosraven lying low, and msteelers. Obviously, one of these is innocent. But for right now:

msteelers

Unagi, thank you for giving me the opportunity to speak my piece without pushing me closer to a lynch. I apologize for snapping.

Newcastle, the previous vote count was wrong, as I had no outstanding vote after my nonsense with the Unagi vote.

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Tue Aug 31, 2010 12:34 am

Thank you although I wish you had done this earlier if you are indeed a good guy. Now I'm trying to decide if you are being honest in the search or now attempting to save your life because your partner wants to win more than you.

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Tue Aug 31, 2010 12:39 am

just in case you get 2 quick votes, although I think at least one wolf has already voted
withdraw Isgrimnur

Give us a 3 vote cushion to think through this. I can't get rid of that nagging feeling that a wolf or wolves is sitting back and letting us tear at each others throats. Got to be one obvious and one lurking in the shadows.

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Tue Aug 31, 2010 12:45 am

and this is not an admission that I think you are good, just gives us some wiggle room so we don't wake up tomorrow morning to a surprise lynching of you before everyone has a chance to digest what you wrote.

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Tue Aug 31, 2010 12:46 am

Lassr wrote:Thank you although I wish you had done this earlier if you are indeed a good guy. Now I'm trying to decide if you are being honest in the search or now attempting to save your life because your partner wants to win more than you.

I've made peace with whatever comes. If the rest of the crew wants to lynch me, then that's fine. I didn't post that with the idea that it was going to save my hide. I've been very up front about my agent role, no hints that I'm anything that I'm not.

Lassr wrote:I can't get rid of that nagging feeling that a wolf or wolves is sitting back and letting us tear at each others throats. Got to be one obvious and one lurking in the shadows.

I agree, and that's reflected in my logic behind my threat matrix.

Newcastle · Post by **Newcastle** » Tue Aug 31, 2010 1:58 am

5 votes for majority

MARKED FOR DEATH

Lassr (1): Msteelers,
Isgrinmur (2): Lagom Lite, Chaosraven,

No Votes cast: Stessier, Unagi, Semaj, Isgrimnur,
Lassr,
If I missed anything please let me know

Thank you Isgrinmur also for the reminder.

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Tue Aug 31, 2010 8:56 am

Newcastle wrote:Mod note - I am going to be pretty busy the next couple of days with a couple of projects, so i might not get the write ups submitted to you folks in a quick enough time. be patient is all i am asking.

Thanks,
Management

Are the rest of the players working on this project with you?

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Tue Aug 31, 2010 9:31 am

Tabulating...

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Tue Aug 31, 2010 10:01 am

Dead Good Guys (& Unagi) are in blue.
Dead Bad Guys are in red.

Voting Record - Chapter 1

Spoiler:

Alternate Views

Spoiler:

Trains

Spoiler:

msteelers · Post by **msteelers** » Tue Aug 31, 2010 10:12 am

I'm going to go back and look at the major events that happened in the game and see if any patterns emerge. Unfortunately, I wont be able to do this until later, as I have to go actually do some work right now. Hopefully my meetings will be productive today and I wont be able to post my findings until later tonight.

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Tue Aug 31, 2010 10:15 am

Newcastle wrote:If I missed anything please let me know

My vote for steelers.

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Tue Aug 31, 2010 10:20 am

Dead Good Guys (& Unagi) are in blue.
Dead Bad Guys are in red.

Voting Record - Chapter 2

Spoiler:

Alternate Views

Spoiler:

Trains

Spoiler:

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Tue Aug 31, 2010 10:23 am

For easier comparison (at least for me)

Trains - Chapter 1

Spoiler:

Trains - Chapter 2

Spoiler:

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Tue Aug 31, 2010 10:36 am

So Lagom got to N-2 with Remus on him. That's not quite as good as N-1 for analysis purposes, but it's the best we got. Remus was the first on him and also the first off. Was he just looking for an excuse to jump? Lassr & msteelers were the other two unknowns on Lagom before the switch to theo.

Theo went relatively quickly. Semaj voted early and never moved it. The other unknowns on the vote were Chaos, Lassr, & msteelers.

Remus vote - Isgrimnur, msteelers, Lagom, & Semaj all thought the vote was better than the shot.

Against Grund - stessier, Isgrimnur, Lagom, Lassr, and Chaos are the unknowns.

I think there were at least 2 wolves on Theo (Remus + unknown). {Semaj, Chaos, Lassr, msteelers}

I think there was at least 1 wolf on Grund. {stessier, Isgrimnur, Lagom, Lassr, Chaos}

Grund thought Semaj was good Semaj this time. I can go with that for now.
Knowing Remus was Jaws makes the Lagom vote seem as if Lagom is innocent. This is painful because the smooth tongued Devil looks guilty with all his vote bouncing.
I still can't see Remus letting msteelers vote against him and make those arguments.

So I guess that leaves me with Isgrimnur, Lassr, Chaos.

There are 8 people left with 2 wolves, so we lose on our third miss. I say we start with Lassr & Chaos (to test people on theo vote) and then see where we stand.

Start with Lassr

.

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Tue Aug 31, 2010 11:02 am

stessier wrote: There are 8 people left with 2 wolves, so we lose on our third miss. I say we start with Lassr & Chaos (to test people on theo vote) and then see where we stand.

Start with Lassr

.

interesting...

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Tue Aug 31, 2010 11:04 am

stessier wrote: So I guess that leaves me with Isgrimnur, Lassr, Chaos.

There are 8 people left with 2 wolves, so we lose on our third miss. I say we start with Lassr & Chaos (to test people on theo vote) and then see where we stand.

Start with Lassr

.

meant to leave that time line in the quote.

so now...interesting....

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Tue Aug 31, 2010 11:07 am

interesting because we have 2 misses left not 3. If we miss twice in a row then we have 4 player left and 2 bad guy. Evil victory.

So interesting that you list killing Lassr & Chaos then I guess go to Isgrimnur on day 3 if this doesn't work out...oh wait there is no day 3.

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Tue Aug 31, 2010 11:10 am

8 now.
Miss today and kill tonight = 6
miss tomorrow plus kill at night = 4. 2 & 2. We lose.

stessier

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Tue Aug 31, 2010 11:11 am

Stessier & Isgrimnur?

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Tue Aug 31, 2010 11:20 am

You rang?

I've never served with stessier before this op, and I'm not sure he's the best squaddie, either. He's erratic and jumpy, not someone I want watching my back.

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Tue Aug 31, 2010 11:33 am

Lassr wrote:
stessier wrote: So I guess that leaves me with Isgrimnur, Lassr, Chaos.

There are 8 people left with 2 wolves, so we lose on our third miss. I say we start with Lassr & Chaos (to test people on theo vote) and then see where we stand.

Start with Lassr

.
meant to leave that time line in the quote.

so now...interesting....

time line..?..should be top line.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Tue Aug 31, 2010 12:08 pm

If Lassr is a wolf, each and every one of us should aspire to play these games as a wolf like he has.
He's absolutely
a) playing
b) making me feel he's good
c) totally making me feel he must be evil, since I agree with just about all of his post this game.

I'm happy to give a win to the wolves if it's because one of them actually played as much and as well as Lassr.

Chaosraven

Lassr wrote:interesting because we have 2 misses left not 3. If we miss twice in a row then we have 4 player left and 2 bad guy. Evil victory.

So interesting that you list killing Lassr & Chaos then I guess go to Isgrimnur on day 3 if this doesn't work out...oh wait there is no day 3.

Well... I did sorta ask people to say who their 2 were (and then a 3rd alternate).

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Tue Aug 31, 2010 12:31 pm

Lassr wrote:8 now.
Miss today and kill tonight = 6
miss tomorrow plus kill at night = 4. 2 & 2. We lose.

stessier

Really? I make a mistake that we have 2 days (today & tomorrow) to figure out, so I must be evil?

What about your Remus vote theory? What about the other votes?

Unagi, you give talky wolf too much credit. Helpful Lassr is known to be Evil Lassr.

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Tue Aug 31, 2010 12:48 pm

stessier wrote:
Lassr wrote:8 now.
Miss today and kill tonight = 6
miss tomorrow plus kill at night = 4. 2 & 2. We lose.

stessier

Really? I make a mistake that we have 2 days (today & tomorrow) to figure out, so I must be evil?

What about your Remus vote theory? What about the other votes?

Unagi, you give talky wolf too much credit. Helpful Lassr is known to be Evil Lassr.

I admit I'm searching right now for something. Someone out there is fooling me good and the other I think is quiet. Isgrimnur was my quiet wolf, his last few post sure appear human but I've been fooled more than once in these games.

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Tue Aug 31, 2010 12:54 pm

stessier wrote:
Lassr wrote:8 now.
Miss today and kill tonight = 6
miss tomorrow plus kill at night = 4. 2 & 2. We lose.

stessier

Really? I make a mistake that we have 2 days (today & tomorrow) to figure out, so I must be evil?

What about your Remus vote theory? What about the other votes?

Unagi, you give talky wolf too much credit. Helpful Lassr is known to be Evil Lassr.

plus it was more than just the 2 day mistake. It was more like listing your partner Isgrimnur but yet not really throwing him out there. He & I have the votes this round, you then chose me from your evidence like you hoped to get a train going on me and sticking Isgrimnur on the back burner after Chaos. That's what it felt like.

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Tue Aug 31, 2010 1:53 pm

Lassr wrote:plus it was more than just the 2 day mistake. It was more like listing your partner Isgrimnur but yet not really throwing him out there. He & I have the votes this round, you then chose me from your evidence like you hoped to get a train going on me and sticking Isgrimnur on the back burner after Chaos. That's what it felt like.

It's true, I chose you because people are already voting for you. I'm interested to see what happens.

Chaos seems more like a busy guy who is posting when he gets the chance. The only thing (besides where he has voted) that kind of sent off a signal was that he told someone to keep Q on the "almost trusted" list. I know he is paranoid, but after Remus died Evil and the way Q was posting at that point in the game... While technically Chaos was right, it looked like he was trying to give everyone else a reason to stay paranoid.

Isgrimnur - I got nothing. The only thing that comes to mind is his belief that if you stick you head up in these games, you get it chopped off. For some reason, that still bothers him and so he contributes the bare minimum. I could see him as being Evil - but only for that reason. Everything else seems like normal lost Villager.

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Tue Aug 31, 2010 2:04 pm

About every other game, I try my hand at being Grund Jr. All that has ever done for me is attract votes. So I attempt to walk a fine line between contributing and silence just to keep from being offed by my own team. And lately, I've taken it too far to the point of becoming surly when people actually want my participation.

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Tue Aug 31, 2010 2:49 pm

When I play these games I play to have fun and be active, if I get voted off then so be it. To me the fun is in the interaction with everyone, win or lose. If I'm ever quiet then I'm busy doing something else.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Tue Aug 31, 2010 3:09 pm

Lassr wrote:When I play these games I play to have fun and be active, if I get voted off then so be it. To me the fun is in the interaction with everyone, win or lose. If I'm ever quiet then I'm busy doing something else.

same

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Tue Aug 31, 2010 3:13 pm

stessier wrote:Chaos seems more like a busy guy who is posting when he gets the chance.

Yeah, and Evil Chaos hates to even mention his metas...
While Good Chaos has no problem protesting our complaints regarding his participation when work starts to eat all of his time.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Tue Aug 31, 2010 3:17 pm

I should get a chance to have some fun this game too.

Maybe everyone should be killing the evil spy stessier

Please, everyone - put down what you are doing and join me in ridding us if this scum.

Today. Now.

Lagom Lite · Post by **Lagom Lite** » Tue Aug 31, 2010 3:22 pm

I just... I dunno. Whatever, man. I'll just go finish the "Canthan Protector" title in Guild Wars while y'all make up your minds. Mmkay? I'll be fine voting for Chaosraven. If Lassr is a bad guy I agree with whomever said it that he deserves a win. KILL THE WEAK! I mean, silent ones.

Small observation: stessier has gone "brain unload" recently. Once he did this as a bad guy. I don't know if he tends to do it as a good guy, might be a tell, or maybe he's genuinely trying to contribute.

Lagom Lite · Post by **Lagom Lite** » Tue Aug 31, 2010 3:23 pm

Lagom Lite wrote:

I just... I dunno. Whatever, man. I'll just go finish the "Canthan Protector" title in Guild Wars while y'all make up your minds. Mmkay? I'll be fine voting for Chaosraven. If Lassr is a bad guy I agree with whomever said it that he deserves a win. KILL THE WEAK! I mean, silent ones.

Small observation: stessier has gone "brain unload" recently. Once he did this as a bad guy. I don't know if he tends to do it as a good guy, might be a tell, or maybe he's genuinely trying to contribute.

And of course, I wrote this before I saw Unagi's stessier vote. Not that any of you would believe me.

withdraw Isgrimnur

stessier

Lagom Lite · Post by **Lagom Lite** » Tue Aug 31, 2010 3:24 pm

Unagi wrote:I should get a chance to have some fun this game too.

Maybe everyone should be killing the evil spy stessier

Please, everyone - put down what you are doing and join me in ridding us if this scum.

Today. Now.

Thazza good Grund impersonation right there.

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Tue Aug 31, 2010 4:00 pm

Lassr wrote:Stessier & Isgrimnur?

i believe I noted this in my primary threat matrix. stessier