Zarathud wrote: ↑Wed Dec 15, 2021 10:39 am
Past results are a lot more reliable than wild apocalyptic predictions of the end of the Republic. We’ve had bad court decisions before. We’ve had terrible court decisions that have led to injustice and even civil war.
People say this but how is it logical? I'm trying to challenge this in the best way and try to point out the incongruity. We're at the point where legions of experts are raising red alerts. Why are all of those experts wrong and this vague trust in the past somehow more accurate/predictive? I'm just looking for something more than the thing they are predicting is too bad for me to believe could happen. Which is what it often sounds like.
That's what I'm seeing at least when I see that argument. Ignore me all you want but we're seeing near daily stories about this right now. Expert after expert publishing in every serious periodical I could possibly name. And IMO this is why I think it's way more likely we're going to drive off the cliff than not. People are too proud, blind, scared, whatever is driving this behavior to believe it can happen here even though it is actively happening and we're being told it is happening.
Perhaps the Supreme Court eventually overturning Roe is what shocks voters into voting for Democrats in gerrymandered Republican districts.
It's certainly possible but it doesn't help if a Republican official ends up declaring fraud and steals the election. Which they are again openly positioning themselves for. Again experts in democratic backsliding are pointing out the actual mechanisms that have been put in place. People who openly called for elections to be overturned are running in several jurisdictions to be the person making the call next time. People who warned about Trump's reaction to the last election were often ignored. In the end, I feel like I have the same frustration as people had in the 1930s when they saw the darkness coming. I don't have any real belief it'll be that bad. It almost certainly won't be. But I mean in the sense that all the plans, all the pieces are moving in the open, and people are just ignoring it. It's crazy to me.
The problem is that we’ve repeatedly relied on the Supreme Court to mitigate bad, poorly thought out Republican policy popular with their base. Now the majority of the Supreme Court holds those views.
Right and that's just one problem. We have so many more.
geezer wrote: ↑Wed Dec 15, 2021 11:00 am
Little Raven wrote: ↑Wed Dec 15, 2021 10:22 am
Sure, but not every irresolvable issue rises to the significance of Dred Scot. Americans will probably never agree on whether New York or Chicago has the right to claim the title of "Best Pizza in America," but we probably don't need to slaughter 3% of the population in order to hash it out.
I certainly hope you're not comparing pizza quality to a woman's right to control her own body
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