Ralph-Wiggum wrote: ↑Fri Feb 26, 2021 11:24 amBased on what I know about your company, they would just make you commute.
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Ralph-Wiggum wrote: ↑Fri Feb 26, 2021 11:24 amBased on what I know about your company, they would just make you commute.
There's no question. The rumor is that he plans to address the group not just as a candidate but as the presumptive nominee.
At this point this is just documentation when historians look back at why the United States fell to pieces.
After Mitch's statement on Fox I consider this a fait accompli. From disputing a fair election to stoking a riot/insurrection against the execution of the results of that election to presumptive nominee for the next election in only a couple months? It should be unimaginable.
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Ralph-Wiggum wrote: ↑Fri Feb 26, 2021 11:24 amBased on what I know about your company, they would just make you commute.
I'm sure it's just a coincidence.Has anyone else noticed the shape of the CPAC stage is the Odal Rune/SS insignia?
It doesn't look as much like that rune as the pic at this angle suggests. The back of the stage is filled in (I believe that red triangle is just a carpet pattern, not a hole in the stage). The "wells" to either side are a common feature of modern staging: they're there so the camerapeople can move around and get more angles on the speaker (such as from behind them, looking at the audience).
I don't believe this to be true. Especially after a bunch of white supremacists showed up based on these types of hints and took over the Capitol. Stepping back a few months, when challenged on this topic at the Presidential debate Trump refused to denounce them when directly confronted. Flash forward to 1/6, he called them 'very special' after they invaded the Capitol. This stuff is staring us in the face. I get that this is tough to face but we have huge problems.hepcat wrote: ↑Sat Feb 27, 2021 1:42 pm I do believe they play to casual racism, and sometimes overt racism. But I don’t think they’re actively playing to true, rabid white supremacy that would take note of such a thing. That demographic is fairly small in the scheme of things.
However, playing to ANY racist ideology, no matter how slight, is inexcusable.
To be honest, I get it. We may be living in a reality that is unfathomable to people. And that normalcy bias at whatever levels may or may not exist may not end anytime soon. It strikes me that the experts telling us this were coming were all right and they are *still* mostly marginalized.
Are they, though? Most of the elected GOP right now is insisting that nothing serious happened on January 6. That's not a strictly white-supremacist episode, but it is about the acceptance of political violence to overturn democracy, and many of the groups most serious about the effort were supremacist or supremacist-sympathetic.
Or course they'll deny it. And then they'll click "like" on a barely-disguised racist attack on Obama or AOC or George Soros.If you ask an overwhelming number of Republicans if they’re racist, they’ll deny it vehemently. A true white supremacist institution would wear that badge with honor.
Yes. And you’re actually reinforcing my point by having to add “not a strictly white supremacist episode” to your argument against my belief they’re not actively and directly courting hardcore white supremacist groups. Show me a large group of Republicans espousing ethnic cleansing or other hallmarks of white supremacy and I’ll agree with you though.Holman wrote: ↑Sat Feb 27, 2021 6:43 pmAre they, though? Most of the elected GOP right now is insisting that nothing serious happened on January 6. That's not a strictly white-supremacist episode, but it is about the acceptance of political violence to overturn democracy, and many of the groups most serious about the effort were supremacist or supremacist-sympathetic.
A true, hard core white supremacist wouldn’t deny it. They’d be proud of it.
Or course they'll deny it. And then they'll click "like" on a barely-disguised racist attack on Obama or AOC or George Soros.
King was just the warm up. The keynote was given by Gosar - an active, currently un-censured member of the House GOP delegation. After he spoke, the below happened and then he went and spoke at CPAC *today*.
Just to underline it - Gosar was welcomed on stage directly after it was reported he gave a keynote at a white nationalist event. He wasn't punished, quietly disinvited, or anything. He was given a voice on that stage today.Where you see them actively courting neo Nazis and the like, I see those groups attaching themselves to the GOP. And they’re always denounced by the majority.
...Washington Post wrote:Gosar did not mention the Friday night conference by name from the CPAC stage, but in a short interview afterward, he said he was referring to Fuentes’s remarks.
Gosar, who had led Arizona Republicans in challenging the electoral vote on Jan. 6, said he had accepted the AFPAC invitation to reach an audience of young conservatives.
“We thought about it, and we thought: There is a group of young people that are becoming part of the election process, and becoming a bigger force,” Gosar said. “So why not take that energy and listen to what they’ve got to say?”
Asked whether he regretted attending the event, Gosar said “you don’t accomplish anything by isolating” and refusing to speak to some audiences.
“It’s always about the debate,” he said. “That’s how you grow.”
The problem with this analysis is that it is not dynamic enough IMO. The conditions have been shifting rapidly. The Republicans are accelerating alignment specifically because of what happened on 1/6. There was a moment that there appeared to be in-fighting in the GOP about becoming less extreme or maybe an internal fracture. Trump somehow consolidated power over the last few weeks and now we are seeing members aligning more openly with white nationalism again. The pace of transformation here is the concern. We'll know a whole lot more in the coming weeks and months but these are ominous signs supposed odal runes or not.Hepcat wrote:As I said, I believe they’re more racist than not. But I feel it’s born more out of systemic racism within our nation itself that’s casually accepting of that history and thus not a GOP hallmark, as well as a misguided and wrongheaded reaction to BLM and other activism that’s trying to show the country that systemic racism. Since those groups are usually leftist, Republicans oppose them. Oftentimes not realizing that by doing so, they are exhibiting racist behavior.
If you ask an overwhelming number of Republicans if they’re racist, they’ll deny it vehemently. A true white supremacist institution would wear that badge with honor.
Fair enough. I'm not 100% convinced either but I think it merits investigation. Journalistically to be clear. In any event, the concern is that there is almost certainly an increase in alignment happening. The experts on white nationalism keep pointing it out. Also this doesn't have to be some big conspiracy. It could have been a small group or individual sneaking in a symbol.hepcat wrote: ↑Sat Feb 27, 2021 8:42 pm I think you've lost sight of what I originally disagreed with. At no point have I stated they're not racist to some degree (as you yourself frequently say, a large portion of white America is). However, I don't think they're shaping stages like Nazi icons to get some coveted skinhead vote.
I think the larger party is shrugging its shoulders at what was first a casual association with racist extremists. And when the voters increased their support as the GOP lurched into the white supremacist circles (language, messaging), the GOP took it as tacit approval that they were headed in the right direction (no pun intended). Instead of immediately and completely ejecting any of these lunatics from the party, they've given them some space on the platform because apparently a lot a people don't identify as white supremacists or overt racists but vote for the GOP when the party supports those that do.
You keep saying that but it is only true for a small portion of them. Subtle racists are happy to deny in public and live their hate in private and through their policy.
I don't think they are to the level of actively killing anyone right now. They are certainly courting those who are though. They are also not even slightly disturbed when it happens.I don’t think there’s any need to elevate the GOP as a whole to comic book villain status sending out secret signals that it’s time to kill all the minorities That kind of exaggeration doesn’t help. And it’s the kind of conspiracy theory we rail against with Trump and his followers.
Is there going to be much difference between a race war or a civil war started by the GOP?hepcat wrote: ↑Sat Feb 27, 2021 10:06 pm I’m less concerned about the GOP starting a race war and more concerned with them starting a civil war. It’s their growing inability to distinguish truth from fiction, especially when it involves the cult of personality that is the Trumps, that worries me more. I feel like they’re always one lie away from another January 6th most of the time. It looked like that might not be the case in the immediate aftermath of that day, but lately they seem to be backsliding into it again.
There’s such a thing as a subtle hardcore white supremacist?Remus West wrote: ↑Sat Feb 27, 2021 10:29 pmYou keep saying that but it is only true for a small portion of them. Subtle racists are happy to deny in public and live their hate in private and through their policy.
Yes, as I stated, I’m less concerned they’re going to start a race war.hepcat wrote: ↑Sat Feb 27, 2021 10:34 pmIs there going to be much difference between a race war or a civil war started by the GOP?Remus West wrote: ↑Sat Feb 27, 2021 10:32 pm I’m less concerned about the GOP starting a race war and more concerned with them starting a civil war. It’s their growing inability to distinguish truth from fiction, especially when it involves the cult of personality that is the Trumps, that worries me more. I feel like they’re always one lie away from another January 6th most of the time. It looked like that might not be the case in the immediate aftermath of that day, but lately they seem to be backsliding into it again.
Yes. The vast majority are believed to be underground with several having infiltrated or been recruited from law enforcement and/or the military.hepcat wrote: ↑Sat Feb 27, 2021 10:33 pmThere’s such a thing as a subtle hardcore white supremacist?Remus West wrote: ↑Sat Feb 27, 2021 10:29 pmYou keep saying that but it is only true for a small portion of them. Subtle racists are happy to deny in public and live their hate in private and through their policy.
I think the point here is that the GOP wants power and it is looking like they care less and less about who they need to appeal to and win over to get it. If they kick off a civil war that looks like a race war or vice versa we quickly won't care about this distinction. It also isn't that these folks are ideologically homogenous. It is a vast soup of hate.Hepcat wrote:Yes, as I stated, I’m less concerned they’re going to start a race war.
Snopes is on the job.malchior wrote: ↑Sat Feb 27, 2021 8:56 pmFair enough. I'm not 100% convinced either but I think it merits investigation. Journalistically to be clear. In any event, the concern is that there is almost certainly an increase in alignment happening. The experts on white nationalism keep pointing it out. Also this doesn't have to be some big conspiracy. It could have been a small group or individual sneaking in a symbol.hepcat wrote: ↑Sat Feb 27, 2021 8:42 pm I think you've lost sight of what I originally disagreed with. At no point have I stated they're not racist to some degree (as you yourself frequently say, a large portion of white America is). However, I don't think they're shaping stages like Nazi icons to get some coveted skinhead vote.
We have reached out to CPAC to learn more about their choice of stage and will update this post as more information becomes available.
The shape of the Nazi symbol is eerily similar to the shape of the stage at CPAC. However, we are presently unable to confirm whether this was a deliberate choice made by the event organizers. At the moment, we rate this claim as “Unproven.”
Past presidents are referred to as (e.g.) "President Carter" by others as an honorific, but only Trump would do it to himself.
This is the contest to determine who is the shittiest, most horrible, most racist, most awful garbage person, right?
Ummm...he did say it was for the GOP nomination. Why you gotta be redundant?